Taken from an early Hoynor advert.
oiltreader
oiltreader:
Dieseldogsix:
One of Billy Horn’s, this company went on to become Progressive Deliveries I believe, Oiltreader will put me right if I’m wrong.Spot on Diesldogsix, he was known in Coventry as “Trader” Horn, a hard man to deal with going on from that wagon to have the largest fleet of transporters in Europe in the late 1960s, something like 170 may have been more, around 1970 bought out or taken over by James Cars who in turn were swallowed up by Tolemans.
oiltreader
I can remember when Progressive were taken over by James Car Delivery, Johnny Pratts AEC never looked the same in Orange though. I bet John has loads of pictures.
My Brother drove one of these For Cartransport BRS, don’t know who thought up that livery, but it looked bloody awful.
A nice new one.
glenny54:
i’ve seen this picture a few times,but i cant get the reason behind it.Maybe the driver looks on this forum and explain.
Theres no harm in experimenting, in the immortal words of Dell Boy ‘he who dares wins’, tried this myself a few years ago and failed. I know Neil the trainer at Woodside has tried this, don’t know if this is the exact load.
The latest HE has three adjustable positions for the wheel wells on deck 5, the centre position is the same as the older models with the other two either side. It would probably work ok in a situation like this using the rear position; I know you can get the height out of a car like a Focus in the forward position.
I am always amazed at drivers spend time at locking loads out with next to no clearances with a height at about 15’ on the rigid when there is something on the trailer at 16’ or visa-versa.
oiltreader:
The caption says Renault vans, more like Fiat X250 extra LWB Maxi.
oiltreader
You are correct this Photo was taken while we were doing trial loads in Gefco.
oiltreader:
Hey what about this one. Overland of Carlisle.oiltreader
Good one oiltreader this is the first good picture of an Overland I have seen, brings back memories, I have a photo I will post at some stage but its only a partial view of the front end.
Dieseldogsix:
Nice outfit for it’s day.
You are right Dieseldogsix, this was a cracking combination compared to the BMC, Commers etc that other companies were operating at the time. We upgraded to Badgers when the BMCs were worn out, had several of these with Vista-vue cabs and about 8 with ergo tilt cabs. The next move was Atkis & ERF 180’s.
We had to upgrade the trailer tyres from 825 to 900s when the Badgers replaced the BMC’s, they didn;t even warm up on the BMC whereas they used to blow off on the Badgers.The Badgers only weekness was the AEC gearboxes that went wrong from time to time.
oiltreader:
Taken from an early Hoynor advert.
oiltreader
They were so simple 1 lever 2 rams with an 18’’ stroke & 2 manual deck lock pins Now we have 23 levers and 40 rams!
Bedford TK CTY 550B painted in Adams & Gibbon livery, not much Bedford. Leyland 400 engine, Clarke overdrive box & Eaton 2 speed axle. The trailer is a Harvey built in Kirkcaldy by Doug Harvey who was also an operator. The truck worked well until it rolled on the Newport Bypass loaded with Saab’s, they engine and gearbox was then fitted into a BMC and ran for another couple of years.
Sorry about photo quality taken in Nornans Cafe Brotherton.
foden 01:
how would you lad,s like to have driven this one …
can you imagine loading this one at bmw thorne a few years ago.Tony(circus strongman)allowing you to get across the seats to get out the one beside the cab,or worse still SANDTOFT!.i dont think so,I wonder how many of them were produced.
foden 01:
how would you lad,s like to have driven this one …
I remember them well, McLennans of Caputh in Perthshire had several, wagon and pups, the wagon part was built on an underfloor bus chassis, Ken Carter ( MVC and Progressive) a mate who used to drive for them, said the cabs were ice boxes. In Bob Tucks book there is a picture of a BTC halfcab wagon and drag with 12 minis up, the mate sat behind the driver.
Back to McLennans. I remember coming south one morning at the Thelwall Viaduct and seeing the clearing up of an almighty pile up caused by overnight fog, motors had caught fire and among them was a McLennans halfcab, of which I think the driver lost his life.
oiltreader
foden 01:
how would you lad,s like to have driven this one …
I havn’t driven one of these but did hitch a lift from Bobs Cafe Kidlington to Southampton to collect a Renault 4L & plate it back up to Kidlington. The cab was made up from angle iron & steel sheet with some sort fabric glued to the sheet. I have never had the pleasure of riding in a sidecar but this must be the nearest thing to it, the cab narrowed towards the rear with just a seat cushion and a backrest attached to the back of the cab. The driver did say it was a fridge in the winter & you cooked in the summer. Needless to say the journey wasn’t very comfortable & as I had to sit with his case & other belongings on my knee which didn’t help. I used to think the Super Comet was bad enough with a mate & two cases in the cab but it felt like a Rolls after that ride. Some of the mates must have been demented riding all week in the BTC trucks.
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transporter man:
foden 01:
how would you lad,s like to have driven this one …I havn’t driven one of these but did hitch a lift from Bobs Cafe Kidlington to Southampton to collect a Renault 4L & plate it back up to Kidlington. The cab was made up from angle iron & steel sheet with some sort fabric glued to the sheet. I have never had the pleasure of riding in a sidecar but this must be the nearest thing to it, the cab narrowed towards the rear with just a seat cushion and a backrest attached to the back of the cab. The driver did say it was a fridge in the winter & you cooked in the summer. Needless to say the journey wasn’t very comfortable & as I had to sit with his case & other belongings on my knee which didn’t help. I used to think the Super Comet was bad enough with a mate & two cases in the cab but it felt like a Rolls after that ride. Some of the mates must have been demented riding all week in the BTC trucks.
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Transporter man it must have taken you a half hour or so to straighten up when you got out, oh and nowhere for glenny 54 to put his plywood bunk on hinges!!
transporter man:
oiltreader:
Taken from an early Hoynor advert.
oiltreaderThey were so simple 1 lever 2 rams with an 18’’ stroke & 2 manual deck lock pins Now we have 23 levers and 40 rams!
Im pretty sure this was the first type of trailor i used at apw with an FL10 on the front. Transporter man may shed some light.
buzza:
transporter man:
foden 01:
how would you lad,s like to have driven this one …I havn’t driven one of these but did hitch a lift from Bobs Cafe Kidlington to Southampton to collect a Renault 4L & plate it back up to Kidlington. The cab was made up from angle iron & steel sheet with some sort fabric glued to the sheet. I have never had the pleasure of riding in a sidecar but this must be the nearest thing to it, the cab narrowed towards the rear with just a seat cushion and a backrest attached to the back of the cab. The driver did say it was a fridge in the winter & you cooked in the summer. Needless to say the journey wasn’t very comfortable & as I had to sit with his case & other belongings on my knee which didn’t help. I used to think the Super Comet was bad enough with a mate & two cases in the cab but it felt like a Rolls after that ride. Some of the mates must have been demented riding all week in the BTC trucks.
.Transporter man it must have taken you a half hour or so to straighten up when you got out, oh and nowhere for glenny 54 to put his plywood bunk on hinges!!
ho,ho,ho very funny fattabelly wheres your photographs.Have you got one of when the hook got caught on the lip of the roof of your erf and when you dropped the back end of your trailer the peak made yer wagon into a convertable,hav ye got that one eh?.
Unfortunately not, Would have been a good picture though.
