ROG:
In my case it was the space for potential conflict that returned to me
The potential was always there in the situation you have outlined previously. The plan was flawed. The information was either ignored, a miscalculation made, or concentration lapsed or was elsewhere.
Only you know which one it is.
The good thing is you’ve lived to fight another day 
BTW ROG, I was talking to Jimboy124 on the phone as he drove past the scene of your accident on Thursday and talking to him about it again this morning he reminded me what he said at the time. “There’s a yellow, hairdressers type of car on the hard shoulder after having a prang, wonder if it’s a fit bird who needs some assistance?” 
How disappointed was he going to be if he had stopped?
laikin’ art:
Ensure you have a bail-out plan. In heavy traffic consider moving to lane 1 earlier in the drive where you will have an escape route. There are loads of suggestions. How about some from you?
Best one i could come up with is as someone else has said sound the horn? If you had time. To suggest not to get in a position wherby you are not alongside a lorry is ridiculous as it is going to be immposible not to be alongside one at some point. The fact he was able to be bounced into the central reservation without hitting anything else would bear out the fact he had space.
laikin’ art:
There are very few collisions which are complete accidents & 100% blameless. That’s why there is no such thing as an RTA anymore.
I’d agree.
laikin’ art:
Oh! & you know what sarcasm is.
I know what it is, its you saying Rog is at fault for being hit, you big joker you. You had me going there for a bit !!
only just caught this post glad you ok rog
Coffeeholic:
BTW ROG, I was talking to Jimboy124 on the phone as he drove past the scene of your accident on Thursday and talking to him about it again this morning he reminded me what he said at the time. “There’s a yellow, hairdressers type of car on the hard shoulder after having a prang, wonder if it’s a fit bird who needs some assistance?”How disappointed was he going to be if he had stopped?
Wish he would have stopped - if he had tea making stuff in cab - I was thirsty.
Mike-C:
Best one i could come up with is as someone else has said sound the horn? If you had time.
Can be useful but if they don’t react what’s going to happen then? Normally the horn is used as part of the information phase. If the reaction is favourable then add it in to your plan. Don’t wait until everything’s going wrong then use it. Too late.
Mike:
To suggest not to get in a position wherby you are not alongside a lorry is ridiculous as it is going to be immposible not to be alongside one at some point.
It is correct that it is impossible not to be alongside a lorry at some time. But make it the minimum amount of time possible & do it when you have planned for it, not just sauntering past with the flow of traffic. It’s called not following into danger.
Mike-C:
The fact he was able to be bounced into the central reservation without hitting anything else would bear out the fact he had space.
That’s not what he said, he said the traffic was bunched in lane 3 & he would have impeded/collided with them. The fact he missed something & ended up in the barrier without a further collision is very fortuitous, but probably down to fate.
Mike-C:
I know what it is, its you saying Rog is at fault for being hit, you big joker you. You had me going there for a bit !!
He is, partially. If you think otherwise then tell me why?
Not knowing your credentials Mike-C I wouldn’t have posted on this subject other than to say I am glad your ok, if it had been your situation. When someone posts who advertises the fact that they are an “advanced driving advisor” then I think debating this is a reasonable thing to do, especially from the intimation it was all down to the lorry (left-■■■■■■ or not) driver.
laikin’ art:
He is, partially. If you think otherwise then tell me why?Not knowing your credentials Mike-C I wouldn’t have posted on this subject other than to say I am glad your ok, if it had been your situation. When someone posts who advertises the fact that they are an “advanced driving advisor” then I think debating this is a reasonable thing to do, especially from the intimation it was all down to the lorry (left-■■■■■■ or not) driver.
Ok, i give up. I’m not qualified to say what an Advanced driver should or shouldn’t do. And Rog can speak for himself. We all live and learn, and its come as a suprise to me to know that being hit by a lorry from the side of you can be your fault.
Am glad to see you are ok just (hopefully) shook up a tad as the main thing is you walked away from what could have been a nasty and painful accident (it was bad enough BTW) and I would agree with what “Diesel Dave” says and just for peace of mind get the headache checked out.
No matter how important it is work takes second place in this matter your health comes first and as for the wagon who caused it I wouldn,t hold your breath as you aren,t important enough to warrant an investigation (to much hassle for plod and little or no chance of a result) just a pity it wasn,t a “speed camera” as they would have chased you to the end of the world for their £60.00 
We can,t have “Coffeholic” being done out of shooting you can we, as he was certainly at the back of the qeue when they were dishing out the “sympathy genes” or was he behind the door probably holding it open for everyone else 
laikin’ art:
…It is correct that it is impossible not to be alongside a lorry at some time. But make it the minimum amount of time possible & do it when you have planned for it, not just sauntering past with the flow of traffic. It’s called not following into danger.
From what Rog has said there was a long line of lorries in lane 1, so it would be impossible to stay clear of all of them at all times.
With hindsight, based on Rog’s description, he should have taken into account the nationality of each lorry and allowed for left hookers, used his horn profusely when entering each lorry’s blind-spot, held back behind each one until a suitable gap opened up in front of him, then accelerated briskly to overtake the lorry, braked to stay behind the next one etc. etc. That is assuming that there was sufficient gap between the lorries for him to have a dead space where he would not be alongside any between overtakes. That, of course, also assumes that no-one pulls into the gap he has created before he starts the next overtake.
Or … he could have joined the lorries in lane 1 in the hope that he would not be overtaken by a right-■■■■■■ who may side-swipe him there.
“The System” is not 100% perfect, and can only increase the odds in your favour. Sometimes, there is nothing you can do to completely avoid a RTC. Admittedly not often, but every now and again it happens 
Coffeeholic:
BTW ROG, I was talking to Jimboy124 on the phone as he drove past the scene of your accident on Thursday and talking to him about it again this morning he reminded me what he said at the time. “There’s a yellow, hairdressers type of car on the hard shoulder after having a prang, wonder if it’s a fit bird who needs some assistance?”How disappointed was he going to be if he had stopped?
You bloody held me up for 12 minutes !!
if my memory serves me correctly it happened right on the mile marker for the M69… And there were stones all over the road !!
And there was quite a bit of damage to the n/s/r wheel area !!
And you there talking to a traffic womble !!
Glad you are ok mate !!
brit pete:
ROG glad that you are okay.BUT & again BUT will those who complain
about non -uk trucks remember that the same applys to
the UK truck & driver when over the water and how many
accidents happen because the truck is a RIGHT HAND
DRIVE IT MAY HAVE BEEN A rhd TRUCK ROG??
Lets hope that the CCTV coverage can help
you sort out who was at fault and perhaps even
show enough to help catch the driver of the truck
Agree, but it does seem common. Held up on Tuesday, M2 northbound in the roadworks at 0545, foreigner took out two cars. Same on Friday on M60. car pushed up the embankment by left ■■■■■■.
gardun:
Or … he could have joined the lorries in lane 1 in the hope that he would not be overtaken by a right-■■■■■■ who may side-swipe him there.
If this option had been chosen at least there was a run-off if a right-■■■■■■ did come for you. This may have been the option to take until the traffic opened up a bit more.
gardun:
“The System” is not 100% perfect, and can only increase the odds in your favour. Sometimes, there is nothing you can do to completely avoid a RTC. Admittedly not often, but every now and again it happens
I’ll go along with that.
gardun:
That, of course, also assumes that no-one pulls into the gap he has created before he starts the next overtake.
Thanks for that gardun, that’s the kind of thing I meant when I said “random” and “committed.”
The best laid plans and all that… 
Is it possible that, even an advanced guy, such as yourselves, could simply be in the wrong place at the wrong time through circumstances which were entirely unpredictable?
Thanks to you three, I do believe I’ve learned an update to my take on the word “advanced.” 
Wow, well quite alot of discussion about “advanced driving” and who was to blame on this thread.(I wonder what Laikin Art’s credentials really are, I won’t go on about my own… ).
I think the real issue is that some fool in a wagon took Rog off the road and either didn’t know they’d done it (which I find hard to believe if it was the cab that impacted his car) or didn’t give a toss and just drove off. The main thrust of this being that Rog is uninjured.
No criticism to you fella (Laikin Art), but it is possible to take a point too far. If you completely took the risk element out of driving then you might as well hang up the keys and go back to bed…driving is an inherently dangerous activity, all we can do is try and minimize the risks when we are out there on the road. Even with the best planning, it’s possible for someone to ruin your day with a random act without warning.
I don’t believe the perfect driver exists, they can’t do because human beings are flawed by design (and I like it that way!). So the next time you overtake a line of trucks on a motorway, how will you legislate for the twerp that just decides he/she wants to put 44 tonnes of metal where your car is and doesn’t bother if you’re there or not? totally instant with no warning signs/observation links/danger signs or any or the other advanced techniques they taught me on the advanced police driving course. That was back in the day of course, when I wore the white topped cap at work.
Get a grip, it’s NOT Rog’s fault! and blaming him for not being advanced enough is ridiculous and insensitive.
…and BTW, from the way you speak, I suspect you wear the cloth yourself my friend
Best wishes ROG - hope you get over this in a brisk fashion.
Think you even got a mention on Radio 2.
Shrek:
Get a grip, it’s NOT Rog’s fault! and blaming him for not being advanced enough is ridiculous and insensitive.
I agree, the discussion wasn’t meant to go like that, but sometimes you just get drawn in…
Sorry, I won’t say another word.
I’m sure Rog appreciates the discussion Shrek It’s an interesting subject, and nobody is actually blaming Rog entirely - just a suggestion that he may have been able to avoid the situation.
jimboy124:
You bloody held me up for 12 minutes !!
Sorry 
- I’l try to let an artic hit me on a motorway off your route next time
jimboy124:
if my memory serves me correctly it happened right on the mile marker for the M69… And there were stones all over the road !!
Yep - it took over an hour for them to get on scene and by then most stones had been set into the tarmac
jimboy124:
And there was quite a bit of damage to the n/s/r wheel area !!
Knew it. Thats why i was fishtailed - must have tried to accelerate
ROG:
jimboy124:
You bloody held me up for 12 minutes !!Sorry
Dont worry bout it mate " The longer i am out the more i get paid"
I am trying to teach “cut the job up hobbs” to do the same as me … hey neil
jimboy124:
I am trying to teach “cut the job up hobbs” to do the same as me … hey neil
Says the guy who cut about 5 hours off the return run from Dublin today. 
Better not mention the bent running either I suppose?