Uncleskid:
That’s an average speed of over 50mph takes some doing at anytime let alone a Friday
Are you part of the go-slow brigade?? I can manage an average of more than 50mph all the time running at 40t+.
Are you another agency greeting face who drags everything out?
191 mile, I’d expect about 4.10 for that, bit more on the return since its Friday but you’d be close enough for a van no bother.
I can’t understand this attitude, all that’s needed is “might be a bit tight on time later, I’ll keep you posted but be prepared I might need rescuing” and crack on. You’re there to do a job, hopefully you were punted from the site.
turbot:
I was given this run at dpd hinckley, planner says 3:45 driving time. Reckons they do it a couple of times a week.
A1 from the M62 to Pentland is 1hr 50. From Leicester Forest to the A1/M62 it’s 1hr 50 again. (I’ve done both on a regular basis). From the DPD yard to Leicester Forest I’d say 20 minutes. That doesn’t correlate with the time the planner says - but that’s no great surprise!
You say it’s taken you 30 minutes to get to the services which at 0830 on a Tuesday morning is quite possible. Add in the 25 minutes you’ve already driven in the yard and you won’t make it in one hit, but the return journey is possible and within a 10hr drive.
Another company that hasn’t been honest with the driver and expects him to cover the run in the time their planning module says.
switchlogic:
Amazing how many companies do the same runs day in day out but every now and then a driver pops up who swears it can’t be done and what happens? Somehow they run out of time. Give. Me. Strength. If you’ve got a 10, use it. If you don’t they send they’d send a van to get you, why wasn’t that good enough?
Knowing this guy he’d end up doing 15h and can’t be collected you his company because he’d still be classed has working if he sits in a company vehicle lol.
switchlogic:
Amazing how many companies do the same runs day in day out but every now and then a driver pops up who swears it can’t be done and what happens? Somehow they run out of time. Give. Me. Strength. If you’ve got a 10, use it. If you don’t they send they’d send a van to get you, why wasn’t that good enough?
Knowing this guy he’d end up doing 15h and can’t be collected you his company because he’d still be classed has working if he sits in a company vehicle lol.
You know what mate?..I used to think just like you in these type of cases, eg. that it was bloody stupid that you legally can not get a lift in a works van, and all the rest of the zero common sense crap.
The thing is the powers that be make rules that are sometimes so bloody stupid and pedantic, and most firms make you obey them to the letter, with various penalties if you do not.
However when it suits THEM everything changes, suddenly it’s all fine and dandy to bend them, plus as an added bonus they can get away without paying a night out by picking you up, AND it gives them licence to set you a ridiculous schedule, and if the driver is like our mate where a night out is equivalent to the wrath of hell, famine and pestilence , 9 times out of 10 they will be confident that the driver will go like stink to achieve said schedule…everybody’s happy except the driver.
So the phrase I use in these type of ■■■■ take management stunts (although maybe not in the specific case of the o/p) is usually 2 words…■■■■ em.
So even I maybe would not get a lift home in van in similar circumstances.
Use of word ’ maybe’ depending on if still paid night out, and/or to MY benefit, something on, last day of week, pub, football match or promise.
switchlogic:
Amazing how many companies do the same runs day in day out but every now and then a driver pops up who swears it can’t be done and what happens? Somehow they run out of time. Give. Me. Strength. If you’ve got a 10, use it. If you don’t they send they’d send a van to get you, why wasn’t that good enough?
Knowing this guy he’d end up doing 15h and can’t be collected you his company because he’d still be classed has working if he sits in a company vehicle lol.
You know what mate?..I used to think just like youbin these type of cases, eg. that it was bloody stupid that you legally can not get a lift in a works van, and all the rest of the crap.
The thing is the powers that be make rules that are sometimes so bloody stupid and pedantic, and most firms make you obey them to the letter, with various penalties if you do not.
However when it suits THEM everything changes, suddenly it’s all fine and dandy to bend them, plus as an added bonus they can get away without paying a night out by picking you up, AND it gives them licence to set you a ridiculous schedule, and if the driver is like our mate where a night out is equivalent to the wrath of hell, famine and pestilence , 9 times out of 10 they will be confident that the driver will go like stink to achieve said schedule…everybody’s happy except the driver.
So the phrase I use in these type of ■■■■ take management stunts (although maybe not in the specific case of the o/p) is usually 2 words…[zb] em.
So even I maybe would not get a lift home in van in similar circumstances.
That’s the main issue. Companies changing the rules when it suits them not us.
I do find it daft you can’t ride in a works van if you’ve done 15h but the rules are there to protect us however I think 15h days need bloody banning especially when you get the old ‘You can take a reduced rest 9h so you here for so and so’ erm no ill be in after my 11 rest. Cheers.
switchlogic:
Amazing how many companies do the same runs day in day out but every now and then a driver pops up who swears it can’t be done and what happens? Somehow they run out of time. Give. Me. Strength. If you’ve got a 10, use it. If you don’t they send they’d send a van to get you, why wasn’t that good enough?
Knowing this guy he’d end up doing 15h and can’t be collected you his company because he’d still be classed has working if he sits in a company vehicle lol.
You know what mate?..I used to think just like youbin these type of cases, eg. that it was bloody stupid that you legally can not get a lift in a works van, and all the rest of the crap.
The thing is the powers that be make rules that are sometimes so bloody stupid and pedantic, and most firms make you obey them to the letter, with various penalties if you do not.
However when it suits THEM everything changes, suddenly it’s all fine and dandy to bend them, plus as an added bonus they can get away without paying a night out by picking you up, AND it gives them licence to set you a ridiculous schedule, and if the driver is like our mate where a night out is equivalent to the wrath of hell, famine and pestilence , 9 times out of 10 they will be confident that the driver will go like stink to achieve said schedule…everybody’s happy except the driver.
So the phrase I use in these type of ■■■■ take management stunts (although maybe not in the specific case of the o/p) is usually 2 words…[zb] em.
So even I maybe would not get a lift home in van in similar circumstances.
That’s the main issue. Companies changing the rules when it suits them not us.
I do find it daft you can’t ride in a works van if you’ve done 15h but the rules are there to protect us however I think 15h days need bloody banning especially when you get the old ‘You can take a reduced rest 9h so you here for so and so’ erm no ill be in after my 11 rest. Cheers.
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Could not agree more mate, 15 hour days are there only to allow us make up an hour based ‘decent’ take home wage, when we should be paid a good wage for 40 …and a ‘bloody good wage’ for anythting above that in line with most industries.
Makes me laugh when the 70+ hour men boast about their ‘good wage’ in ignorant bliss.
What you probably should have done was to drive for a long time in the wrong direction and then phoned the office and told them they should go for driver less trucks.
I don’t see what the problem is. My TomTom (set to a conservative 50mph max speed) gives me a drive time of just under 4 hours each way for the whole trip (3h 45 if starting from LFE). Even allowing for some traffic delays it should still be do-able well within a 9 hour drive.
Adonis.:
I can’t understand this attitude, all that’s needed is “might be a bit tight on time later, I’ll keep you posted but be prepared I might need rescuing” and crack on. You’re there to do a job, hopefully you were punted from the site.
A.
What you describe is exactly my younger self. I put this to you. When there’s ever next a thread on here discussing the long hours in transport in return for low pay contributing to lack of appeal or lifestyle as a job, and who is to blame, how would your comment sit if it were posted in such a thread?
Adonis.:
I can’t understand this attitude, all that’s needed is “might be a bit tight on time later, I’ll keep you posted but be prepared I might need rescuing” and crack on. You’re there to do a job, hopefully you were punted from the site.
A.
What you describe is exactly my younger self. I put this to you. When there’s ever next a thread on here discussing the long hours in transport in return for low pay contributing to lack of appeal or lifestyle as a job, and who is to blame, how would your comment sit if it were posted in such a thread?
I don’t see how this has anything to do with pay.
He was hired to do a job and instead of doing what was asked of him, which was achievable, he did everything possible to avoid doing it.
I go to work to do my job and make money, not find excuses.
Adonis.:
I can’t understand this attitude, all that’s needed is “might be a bit tight on time later, I’ll keep you posted but be prepared I might need rescuing” and crack on. You’re there to do a job, hopefully you were punted from the site.
A.
What you describe is exactly my younger self. I put this to you. When there’s ever next a thread on here discussing the long hours in transport in return for low pay contributing to lack of appeal or lifestyle as a job, and who is to blame, how would your comment sit if it were posted in such a thread?
He sounds like my younger self and my current self, doing my best to get a job done, it’s what I’m employed for. If I don’t like the pay or the hours of a job I change it. But then I’ve no idea why you’ve brought pay into it. If the original poster doesn’t think he’s paid enough to do the job that’s his problem
Adonis.:
I can’t understand this attitude, all that’s needed is “might be a bit tight on time later, I’ll keep you posted but be prepared I might need rescuing” and crack on. You’re there to do a job, hopefully you were punted from the site.
A.
What you describe is exactly my younger self. I put this to you. When there’s ever next a thread on here discussing the long hours in transport in return for low pay contributing to lack of appeal or lifestyle as a job, and who is to blame, how would your comment sit if it were posted in such a thread?
He sounds like my younger self and my current self, doing my best to get a job done, it’s what I’m employed for. If I don’t like the pay or the hours of a job I change it. But then I’ve no idea why you’ve brought pay into it. If the original poster doesn’t think he’s paid enough to do the job that’s his problem
You totally missed my point, I was also replying to Adonis, not the Op’s post.
I saying there’s a lot of threads discussing why transport is struggling to attract new drivers and often cited is the exceptionally long hours placed upon drivers adding it’s not as though lifestyle or compensation even provide a suitable carrot to do so. Within the confines of these discussions the mood seems to be the same, that it’s the fault of the industry, government.
I wanted to apply what Adonis - not the OP said to a different context. If one is willing to set out a day volunteering to run over maximum hours requiring “rescueing” then it would be interesting to see the response within a thread bemoaning who’s fault it is for the long hours.
Freight Dog:
You totally missed my point, I was also replying to Adonis, not the Op’s post.
I saying there’s a lot of threads discussing why transport is struggling to attract new drivers and often cited is the exceptionally long hours placed upon drivers adding it’s not as though lifestyle or compensation even provide a suitable carrot to do so. Within the confines of these discussions the mood seems to be the same, that it’s the fault of the industry, government.
I wanted to apply what Adonis - not the OP said to a different context. If one is willing to set out a day volunteering to run over maximum hours requiring “rescueing” then it would be interesting to see the response within a thread bemoaning who’s fault it is for the long hours.
It’s the way the industry is, long hours and things such as traffic causing unexpected delays are what happens.
The run he was given was not unreasonable in any way, if he or anyone else are not prepared to do long hours maybe looking at another career path is a good idea.
Adonis.:
It’s the way the industry is, long hours.
if he or anyone else are not prepared to do long hours maybe looking at another career path is a good idea.
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It’s ‘‘the way the industry is’’ because that is the way it has been
devised, if it was a 23 hour day ruling you could still apply that mantra.
When I started it was a 12.5 spreadover, that also could be construed as long hours in comparison with many other jobs and industries.
A 13 hour spreadover is more than enough for any man in the 21st century.
If you can not make a livable wage with a bit left over working those hours that is another argument for another day. (hardly likely on the wage structure of 50 basic + time and a quid )
A 15 hour day 9 off and restart another 15 hr day is too long in REAL terms (no matter how much of a hero you may be needing minimum sleep) just because it is ‘‘the way the industry is’’ does not make it acceptable, or for that matter safe.
I’m a tad hypocritical here as I do a 15 maybe once or even twice a week, but when I want to, and/or when an unforseen merits it, or even if I am asked on a valid reason for it. I will not be pushed into it as widely speaking I do not agree with it ‘‘way of the industry’’ or not.
Adonis.:
It’s the way the industry is, long hours.
if he or anyone else are not prepared to do long hours maybe looking at another career path is a good idea.
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It’s ‘‘the way the industry is’’ because that is the way it has been
devised, if it was a 23 hour day ruling you could still apply that mantra.
When I started it was a 12.5 spreadover, that also could be construed as long hours in comparison with many other jobs and industries.
A 13 hour spreadover is more than enough for any man in the 21st century.
If you can not make a livable wage with a bit left over working those hours that is another argument for another day. (hardly likely on the wage structure of 50 basic + time and a quid )
A 15 hour day 9 off and restart another 15 hr day is too long in REAL terms (no matter how much of a hero you may be needing minimum sleep) just because it is ‘‘the way the industry is’’ does not make it acceptable, or for that matter safe.
I’m a tad hypocritical here as I do a 15 maybe once or even twice a week, but when I want to, and/or when an unforseen merits it, or even if I am asked on a valid reason for it. I will not be pushed into it as widely speaking I do not agree with it ‘‘way of the industry’’ or not.
I don’t think we should be doing 15 hours at all never mind back to back to back but that’s the way it is, so they get done.
If I don’t want to or don’t feel like doing 15hrs I won’t, if I got my smalls in a bunch and burst into tears about having to do a long day (such as the OP does) I wouldn’t do this job at all.
Its part and parcel of the job, whether any of us like it or not. Not that I need to tell you that.
Adonis.:
I don’t think we should be doing 15 hours at all never mind back to back to back.
Its part and parcel of the job, whether any of us like it or not.
A.
That’s what I was saying, nothing wrong with with working to limits and keeping these things up your sleeve to yourself. But
I don’t think setting out on a day vocalising to an employer that you acknowledge the duty is unlikely to be doable and that you are happy to be “rescued” once the limit is up is helping the causal reason of why it is “part and parcel” of a job. This applies to any industry.
, 9 times out of 10 they will be confident that the driver will go like stink to achieve said schedule…everybody’s happy except the driver.