Brexit stuff in one place [MERGED]

[robroy]

Franglais:

robroy:

Franglais:
Maybe this `un is a tad more amusing?
The UK Gov (Dpt Business and Trade) has cited a business as a Brexit success story …BLAH BLAH BLAH .

‘‘Amusing’’ you say.
Let’s think now.

I would prefer to describe it as…Tedious, even boring, maybe.
What about guilt inducing , whilst witnessing somebody continuously, needlessly, getting so frustrated over something he is not pleased about, whilst everybody else who used to share his views and enthusiasm, has just gone home quietly and knocked the lights out.
I say ‘guilt inducing’ in the same way that they used to watch a freak show …whilst enjoying it. …yep I’m starting to feel guilty.

Seriously mate.all jokes aside it’s the end of another year, we ALL get it , …you do not agree with Brexit…but ffs man, give it a rest.

Dont worry Bud. You just keep on ignoring the Gov ■■■■■■■ all over your back, whilst telling you its raining you its raining, and Ill keep on telling it how it is.
Being realistic and open eyed…"Hey, thats just the kind of guy I am". *Is that wasted? You certainly dont get irony do you?*

Still saves the Gov pulling the wool over your eyes at least.

If they arent open youll never see owt!

Oh ■■■■,.I edited my post a bit to further try and appeal to you, but you responded first…

More frustrated pointless bile adequately illustrating my point… but there ya go.

I do get the irony tbh,.I have constantly tried to point out to you how/why the whole Brexit thing is an (intentional) cluster ■■■■,.as one or two others who have agreed with my theory have also done.
But you are that intent on droning on and on,.and giving us countless examples and links in your personal NEED to be proven right, you either just ignore them or are just in oblivion in your ONE man campaign.
So it’s pointless even arguing with you mate.

But…if it makes you happy keep on making a show of yourself, but try looking at a bit of self awareness…as I said I for one have finally stopped laughing at you, for the reasons I pointed out.
Happy new year.

[franglais]

I get the distinct impression that RR doesn`t like reading about Brexit. Could this be so?

I wonder why he does so then?
I wonder why he continues reading what is very clearly labelled “The Brexit Thread”?

robroy:
a bit of self awareness.

Nope, you certainly don`t recognise irony at all.

[robroy]

Franglais:
I get the distinct impression that RR doesn`t like reading about Brexit. Could this be so?

I wonder why he does so then?
I wonder why he continues reading what is very clearly labelled “The Brexit Thread”?

robroy:
a bit of self awareness.

Nope, you certainly don`t recognise irony at all.

You STILL dont get it do you man ffs…‘‘RR don’t like reading about Brexit’’ …As I’ve said it ain’t numero uno on my radar, I’m somewhere on it now after all these years mid way between not bothering anymore, and not actually giving a ■■■■ about it.

It was like your obsession and ultra compliance with Covid, I am drawn to you , as well.as the religious head cases on here (in a manly and strictly forum only based way you understand ) I simply just like (or liked) winding you up to see how far you keep going.

It’s an unattractive trait of mine, I’m a wind up merchant, I admit it,.always have been.
I do not take most stuff too seriously, and laugh at those who do I like laughing at people and their strange idiosyncrasies,…I sometimes I go too far, it has got me into lots of trouble in real life, usually as I ain’t been afraid to wind up bigger guys than myself so the results are obvious. …

So to address and fully answer your point Frangers, unlike yourself I am totally self aware.
Wow, There ya go, I feel cleansed ,.I have let it all hang out so as to speak , I feel as if I have just said.along the lines of… ''Hi, I’m Rob and I’m an alcoholic ‘’ …(I ain’t btw )

But you bite every ■■■■ time,.and so it goes on, (and on) nearly 100 pages of on and on ffs…
So I will continue to read your frustrated bile laden ramblings, but as I said I will try from now (against the odds ) to stop encouraging you (not that you need encouraging) because it is as I said becoming a bit uncomfortable watching you virtually melt down, But my self awareness stretches to knowing my weaknesses, so no promises.

[franglais]

Oh my! This early in the day and our drama queen is clutching at her pearls!

robroy:
frustrated bile laden ramblings

robroy:
obsession and ultra compliance

robroy:
melt down

And of course, most telling of all

robroy:
I am totally self aware

Yes, of course you are dear.

[robroy]

Franglais:
Oh my! This early in the day and our drama queen is clutching at her pearls!

robroy:
frustrated bile laden ramblings

robroy:
obsession and ultra compliance

robroy:
melt down

And of course, most telling of all

robroy:
I am totally self aware

Yes, of course you are dear.

Omg ! He’s using his almost entire repertoire of favourite put downs all in one post.

‘Clutching at pearls’ hasn’t made an appearance for a while…
Gotta be 7 points.

Drama queen?..nah too predictable and habitual.
Only 2 points.

Calling me ‘dear’…getting a bit often, but another 2 points awarded.

Use of mis gender (‘her’) …clever,.granted.
Yep what he sees as his ‘killer blow’…so let’s say 9 points.
Keep it up bud, you know it makes sense.

[franglais]

Anyway…

I am quite optimistic about the future, re -Brexit.
Various polls have consistently shown for over a year now that the majority in the UK have realised that Brexit is not working well. Whether or not they believe it is part of a conspiracy, or was a predictably bad scheme is rather irrelevant. About 55% reckon it`s bad, 33% reckon good, and it is still about 12% undecided.

The current Sunak Gov are not following the line of the ERG “nutter” faction. That tail still does very vigorously but not quite as much as before.
The heavily loaded questionnaire about re-imperialisation of measures found less than 2% in favour. So, we will have legal pint bottles of wine, but no return to bushels of wheat.

The wholesale repeal of EU laws, by ministers without any Parliamentary say, and without even looking at them has faded away.

Because of publicity and discussion, largely away from the media, has led to a greater understanding of the true effects of Brexit. The costs of Brexit havent found too much in certain areas of the media, but can be found...elsewhere. Just imagine: if it wasnt for the www some former Brexiteers wouldn`t have been aware of the harms being done to them

One day I feel sure we will return to the EU as full members. Maybe sooner, probably later, but I do reckon it is on the cards.
In the meantime hopefully a better working relationship, with our nearest and biggest trade partners, is coming soon. Maybe starting after May 2024?

[eagerbeaver]

robroy:

Franglais:
I get the distinct impression that RR doesn`t like reading about Brexit. Could this be so?

I wonder why he does so then?
I wonder why he continues reading what is very clearly labelled “The Brexit Thread”?

robroy:
a bit of self awareness.

Nope, you certainly don`t recognise irony at all.

You STILL dont get it do you man ffs…‘‘RR don’t like reading about Brexit’’ …As I’ve said it ain’t numero uno on my radar, I’m somewhere on it now after all these years mid way between not bothering anymore, and not actually giving a [zb] about it.

It was like your obsession and ultra compliance with Covid, I am drawn to you , as well.as the religious head cases on here (in a manly and strictly forum only based way you understand ) I simply just like (or liked) winding you up to see how far you keep going.

It’s an unattractive trait of mine, I’m a wind up merchant, I admit it,.always have been.
I do not take most stuff too seriously, and laugh at those who do I like laughing at people and their strange idiosyncrasies,…I sometimes I go too far, it has got me into lots of trouble in real life, usually as I ain’t been afraid to wind up bigger guys than myself so the results are obvious. …

So to address and fully answer your point Frangers, unlike yourself I am totally self aware.
Wow, There ya go, I feel cleansed ,.I have let it all hang out so as to speak , I feel as if I have just said.along the lines of… ''Hi, I’m Rob and I’m an alcoholic ‘’ …(I ain’t btw )

But you bite every [zb] time,.and so it goes on, (and on) nearly 100 pages of on and on ffs…
So I will continue to read your frustrated bile laden ramblings, but as I said I will try from now (against the odds ) to stop encouraging you (not that you need encouraging) because it is as I said becoming a bit uncomfortable watching you virtually melt down, But my self awareness stretches to knowing my weaknesses, so no promises.

Funny you should mention covid mate.

I didn’t have the jab and amazingly enough…I’m still here.

Some of these lot would worship a jar of soil if you told them to.

[robroy]

Franglais:
Anyway…

I am quite optimistic about the future, re -Brexit.
Various polls have consistently shown for over a year now that the majority in the UK have realised that Brexit is not working well. Whether or not they believe it is part of a conspiracy, or was a predictably bad scheme is rather irrelevant. About 55% reckon it`s bad, 33% reckon good, and it is still about 12% undecided.

The current Sunak Gov are not following the line of the ERG “nutter” faction. That tail still does very vigorously but not quite as much as before.
The heavily loaded questionnaire about re-imperialisation of measures found less than 2% in favour. So, we will have legal pint bottles of wine, but no return to bushels of wheat.

The wholesale repeal of EU laws, by ministers without any Parliamentary say, and without even looking at them has faded away.

Because of publicity and discussion, largely away from the media, has led to a greater understanding of the true effects of Brexit. The costs of Brexit havent found too much in certain areas of the media, but can be found...elsewhere. Just imagine: if it wasnt for the www some former Brexiteers wouldn`t have been aware of the harms being done to them

One day I feel sure we will return to the EU as full members. Maybe sooner, probably later, but I do reckon it is on the cards.
In the meantime hopefully a better working relationship, with our nearest and biggest trade partners, is coming soon. Maybe starting after May 2024?

Nah,.nah … not letting you away with that Frangers, (even if it was maybe your epilogue on this crap at last.)

‘Quote:…‘Whether or not they believe it was part of a conspiracy is irrelavent’’

Absolute dog ■■■■…Only to you it is irrelevant, most of us can see that it actually is not, but instead is the MAIN reason Brexit has not been given a fair chance to work, nor fair real effort put in by those responsible to do so.

Quote: …‘‘One day I feel we will return to the EU as full members’’

No ■■■■ Sherlock that was/is the whole agenda and point of your ‘‘irrelavent’’ conspiracy, as has been pointed out to you continuously by me and a couple of others.

If/when we do re.join the EU , (more than likely under the likes of Keir Starmer), it will be a dark day for democracy (he said clutching his pearls) it will be nothing more than a manipulation and a total ignorance of a majority vote…Because the powers that be got an unexpected bloody nose from the plebs in the referendum.
So a manipulation was called for…to make us ‘see sense’, a bit like your ■■■■■■■ on your back but raining routine.

The British Establishment since they began, do not and never have like being taken on and defied…and especially if they are taken on as in this case, and suffer the embarrasment of losing…(.as in the UK referendum.)

If/when we do re join the EU, me, and people like me will be ■■■■■■ off but on the other hand will also be astute and grown up enough to reluctantly accept it and put up with it, because as I keep telling you…‘They’ will and always will, continue to do whatever tf they want to do to us, as they know we can do nothing about it.

So on a much smaller scale of importance, will I re.act by starting a 100 page thread on TN , of disappointment and shear frustration because things have ‘not gone the way I would like’.
No…
What would be the ■■■■ point,.for the reasons I have pointed out.

(Note…Last quote done in a classic drama queen stylee by ‘her’.)…
Dear.

[franglais]

robroy:
If/when we do re.join the EU , (more than likely under the likes of Keir Starmer), it will be a dark day for democracy (he said clutching his pearls) it will be nothing more than a manipulation and a total ignorance of a majority vote…Because the powers that be got an unexpected bloody nose from the plebs in the referendum.
So a manipulation was called for…to make us ‘see sense’, a bit like your ■■■■■■■ on your back but raining routine.

Democracy is not an event it is a process.

We joined the Common Market following a referendum. We left the EU following a referendum.
Joining again, if it follows a referendum will also be democratic won`t it?

Manipulation of a vote? A bit like the £350m on the bus? The promises of no downsides only upsides, no need to leave the customs area etc etc weren`t in any manipulative?

The powers that be…the disaster capitalists, financiers who offshore their money to avoid paying dues to their country, international media owners, got exactly what they wanted.
No bloody noses for them.

J

[robroy]

Quote:…‘Democracy is not an event it is a process’’
Very clever,.thank you.

Ok, so to sum up, a democratic vote is fine, but as long as the result is one you agree with.

If you dont agree with it, let’s have another vote or a series of events that will sucessfull up turn the result of that vote…cool.
You get your own way at last, and everything is ok in the world…got it.

Know what mate:?..
It’s ‘The immovable force meets the unstoppable object’ situation when it comes to me and you.
We are poles, nay a spectrum apart on most things,.which is why we clash, so another 100 pages will just be the same old stalemate, no matter what is said by each party to change the other one’s mind.
Surely we can agree on that at least.

[fodenway]

Franglais:

robroy:
We joined the Common Market following a referendum. We left the EU following a referendum.
Joining again, if it follows a referendum will also be democratic won`t it?

quote]
No we didn’t - Ted Heath signed the UK up to the Common Market without a referendum. A couple of years later, there was a one on whether we stayed in or came out. The vote was to stay in what was at that time sold to the electorate as a purely trading arrangement. Only later did the CM begin to transform into the EU, imposing directives, rules and laws and “one state” ambitions on us. And no, Brexit hasn’t gone well, because there wasn’t the will to allow it to from those who thought that “remain” would be a certainty.

[franglais]

fodenway:

Franglais:

robroy:
We joined the Common Market following a referendum. We left the EU following a referendum.
Joining again, if it follows a referendum will also be democratic won`t it?

quote]
No we didn’t - Ted Heath signed the UK up to the Common Market without a referendum. A couple of years later, there was a one on whether we stayed in or came out. The vote was to stay in what was at that time sold to the electorate as a purely trading arrangement. Only later did the CM begin to transform into the EU, imposing directives, rules and laws and “one state” ambitions on us. And no, Brexit hasn’t gone well, because there wasn’t the will to allow it to from those who thought that “remain” would be a certainty.

I stand corrected. Thank you.

The referendum was on whether or not we remained in.
No hyperbole about what would happen by either side. We had been in it so pretty much knew what was involved, including of course the well known Treaty Of Rome, and it`s “ever closer union”.
So, hardly a surprise that we did all get closer.

Brexit hasn`t gone well I agree. In spite of the 2019 election giving a Pro-Brexit P, with a Pro-Brexit manifesto, and a candidate list culled of any opposition, a thumping majority in Parliament.
So what went wrong?

Maybe some think it is all a plot? That the promises of
Continued trade with the EU and minimum bureaucracy
NI border unchanged
Cut migration to tens of thousands
£350 million
Better trade deals
Continuing security access
etc were all achievable?

I happen to believe that they were all exaggerated dreams.
Those who sold those dreams, very convincingly, and with a soft media supporting the lies, were just that: liars.

[franglais]

robroy:
Quote:…‘Democracy is not an event it is a process’’
Very clever,.thank you.

Ok, so to sum up, a democratic vote is fine, but as long as the result is one you agree with.
/quote]

No. You havent summed up what I was saying, you have *in a very CF way*, taken it turned it on its head and represented it as mine.

It seems to be you that says we have had a vote I like, so let`s stop all discussion (how many times have you wished for an end to this thread?) and carry on regardless.
What next elections once in a lifetime? Elect a dictator for life?

[robroy]

Franglais:

robroy:
Quote:…‘Democracy is not an event it is a process’’
Very clever,.thank you.

Ok, so to sum up, a democratic vote is fine, but as long as the result is one you agree with.
/quote]

No. You havent summed up what I was saying, you have *in a very CF way*, taken it turned it on its head and represented it as mine.

It seems to be you that says we have had a vote I like, so let`s stop all discussion (how many times have you wished for an end to this thread?) and carry on regardless.
What next elections once in a lifetime? Elect a dictator for life?

Me not summed up or sussed you out?
Hmmm not really sure about that mate, but ok, let’s go with it.

Ok. So instead let’s say it is what you WOULD want,… irrespective of what the majority wanted…
Now if what you say IS true (spare us the link) about what that majority say NOW, …that actually IS irrelevant , because as I keep plugging away at pointing out, is that it is the result of a successful agenda by an anti Brexit government.

I really do not know how (or why) we carry on this thread,.because EVERY tedious link you provide, and EVERY boring aspect and example you provide of why things ain’t great after Brexit, that you go on about to prove your point, can be answered with the same answer…
ie…‘Well of course it is/isn’t because that is a result of their contingency plan of manipulation when they got a surprise result in THEIR referendum’’
I just do not know anymore I can say about it (while I am in ‘serious Rob’ mode instead of ‘■■■■■■■■ Rob’ mode that is. )

In the unlikely or impossible event of an actual keen advocator and planner of Brexit was in charge…,let’s say your mate Farage for instance, and taking out personalities and jibes, do you not think he would have made it his business to make it work at every turn?..
Or do you actually think that the Tories are/were trying to do the same …surely not.

As for your dictator theory,… now that actually is Carryfastesque, in terms of turning stuff over and representing it as me saying it.

[franglais]

robroy:
that it is the result of a successful agenda by an anti Brexit government.

!

Beyond belief. You truly are away with the fairies, mate.

robroy:
In the unlikely or impossible event of an actual keen advocator and planner of Brexit was in charge…,let’s say your mate Farage for instance, and taking out personalities and jibes, do you not think he would have made it his business to make it work at every turn?..

Farage? The bloke in the pub endlessly telling us how England would have won the World Cup and the Ashes if only he had been the manager?
Yeah, right. You believe him if you like.

Look, it doesnt matter how much Farage/Johnson/Frost/You *want* something , it wont happen if the other party doesn`t agree to it.
The idea of “all gain from day one with no downsides” was and remains a false hope.

Farage did his job for his paymaster.

[robroy]

‘Oh and we were doing so well.
Beyond Belief’ eh? AND a giant exclamation mark to hammer home your point.
Farage was just an example, to make MY point…I did say leaving personalities and jibes out tbf.

Anyhow mate I’ve come to the conclusion you are beyond help AND reason, so just carry on making a ■■■■ of yourself on here in your frustration with events.
Ttfn.

[franglais]

robroy:
‘Oh and we were doing so well.
Beyond Belief’ eh? AND a giant exclamation mark to hammer home your point.
Farage was just an example, to make MY point…I did say leaving personalities and jibes out tbf.

Anyhow mate I’ve come to the conclusion you are beyond help AND reason, so just carry on making a ■■■■ of yourself on here in your frustration with events.
Ttfn.

You maintain that the 2019 Johnson Gov wasn`t pro-Brexit?
Really? That is for me, beyond belief.
If you care to indulge me, please explain how you arrive at that point?

And I dont much care for your self appointed role as moderator in deciding what others can/cant include in posts. Even for you, that is a step too far.

[robroy]

Franglais:

robroy:
‘Oh and we were doing so well.
Beyond Belief’ eh? AND a giant exclamation mark to hammer home your point.
Farage was just an example, to make MY point…I did say leaving personalities and jibes out tbf.

Anyhow mate I’ve come to the conclusion you are beyond help AND reason, so just carry on making a ■■■■ of yourself on here in your frustration with events.
Ttfn.

You maintain that the 2019 Johnson Gov wasn`t pro-Brexit?
Really? That is for me, beyond belief.
If you care to indulge me, please explain how you arrive at that point?

And I dont much care for your self appointed role as moderator in deciding what others can/cant include in posts. Even for you, that is a step too far.

Carryfast style conclusions again from the bloke who accused me of doing so…but I will.as you suggest…indulge you.

I cant speak for Johnson and his true intent on Brexit, only he knows that…, but at least he delivered on what he said, an opportunity to leave all the EU based corruption behind …furthermore after not just winning over the electorate at record levels, but doing so in constituencies that had known nothing but Labour…in other words HE won that election more than the actual Tory party…fact, and whether or not that sits comfortably in the mind of Franglais.

The rest is history, the Covid fiasco came out, nobody can say what would gave happened if that unprecedented farce had not came to be and ■■■■ ed everything up.
His party turned on him, and Labour knew they did not have a cat in hell’s of getting in as long as he was in charge.

As for his lies which you will no doubt chuck at me (dont care) that is the nature of the beast for an MP everyone (again except you) knows and accepts that.
The party turned on him, abd urged on by…well people like you in fact, who were appalled (in a drama queen clutching at pearls stylee to use your words ) and prioritised and focussed on a pound shop party, over where the country was going .which led to his downfall.

As for you ‘Not much caring’…standard reply to that, ie could not gaf either way mate.

[franglais]

robroy:

Franglais:

robroy:
‘Oh and we were doing so well.
Beyond Belief’ eh? AND a giant exclamation mark to hammer home your point.
Farage was just an example, to make MY point…I did say leaving personalities and jibes out tbf.

Anyhow mate I’ve come to the conclusion you are beyond help AND reason, so just carry on making a ■■■■ of yourself on here in your frustration with events.
Ttfn.

You maintain that the 2019 Johnson Gov wasn`t pro-Brexit?
Really? That is for me, beyond belief.
If you care to indulge me, please explain how you arrive at that point?

And I dont much care for your self appointed role as moderator in deciding what others can/cant include in posts. Even for you, that is a step too far.

Carryfast style conclusions again from the bloke who accused me of doing so…but I will.as you suggest…indulge you.

I cant speak for Johnson and his true intent on Brexit, only he knows that…, but at least he delivered on what he said, an opportunity to leave all the EU based corruption behind …furthermore after not just winning over the electorate at record levels, but doing so in constituencies that had known nothing but Labour…in other words HE won that election more than the actual Tory party…fact, and whether or not that sits comfortably in the mind of Franglais.

The rest is history, the Covid fiasco came out, nobody can say what would gave happened if that unprecedented farce had not came to be and [zb] ed everything up.
His party turned on him, and Labour knew they did not have a cat in hell’s of getting in as long as he was in charge.

As for his lies which you will no doubt chuck at me (dont care) that is the nature of the beast for an MP everyone (again except you) knows and accepts that.
The party turned on him, abd urged on by…well people like you in fact, who were appalled (in a drama queen clutching at pearls stylee to use your words ) and prioritised and focussed on a pound shop party, over where the country was going .which led to his downfall.

As for you ‘Not much caring’…standard reply to that, ie could not gaf either way mate.

OK, one piece at a time.

Johnson was/is a two (or more) faced liar. Agreed.

But having stood in the way of May and any potential deals she might have made, he fought and won handsomely in 2019. The manifesto was pro-Brexit and all the candidates were vetted to exclude any voiciferous opponents. (so much for a broad church or some might posit free speech)
How can you say that this wasn`t a pro-Brexit administration?
Outside of some totalitarian regime, what could you expect?

Covid? A convenient excuse of course,but what did it actually do to the Brexit deals?
After decades in the EU what rush was there to exit? Johnson had as you point out a strong mandate and a very healthy majority.
So, what difference did C19 make?

Yes, we left the EU based corruption behind.
We now have the vastly greater Tory corruption, all of our making. What a success for homegrown money grasping individuals.

His party turned on him?
So much in that thought. Not enough space here to delve into it fully.
Should they have stood by a leader who didnt stand by his country, nor his party? Johnson owes allegiance to one person only. I dont believe in the concept of Karma, but if I did I would say that Johnson is very well off currently compared to what he actually deserves.

Nope. I don`t agree that everyone accepts lies as a matter of course from MPs.
That is a new concept recently started from the media that supports liars and schemers.

It is said that we get the politicians we deserve.
Maybe you think that you deserve a lying, scheming, selfish, wee whinger. I think I deserve summat better.
But, Hey! that`s the kind of Guy I am. Someone with a bit of self respect.

[robroy]

Ok…whatever.
I have had another boring day still feeling as rough as a bear’s arse after one week of ‘man flu’.
The bottle of Zinfandel I have consumed whilst sparring with you most of the day is kicking in now.
So what more is there to say on this.

I stop short of saying ‘you win’ but interpret this as you will, or whatever version pleases you, …you will.anyway.
See you next year.
Farewell.