Brexit stuff in one place [MERGED]

[the_nodding_donkey]

The gubernment must be very pleased, when they (as we are told by Winseer) read these posts, and confirm that their strategy is working.
Devide the people, and rule.

Whilst all around you the world is slowly catching fire (politically as well as literally), you call each other names in a point scoring contest worthy of ye olde “my dad is bigger than yours” playground scrap.

To stay on topic, Brexit is now irrelevant. They global financial situation is making the Euro, and by definition ye EU, extremely vulnerable to a catastrophic downturn. The UK, inside or outside of the EU, has levels of debt, and a lack of economic resilience, that make it equally vulnerable. America is in such big debt, if the credit stops, it is only a few days from economic collapse, as are the other big boys.

China calls the shots, until the world economy really turns down, when their reliance on us buying from them, exposes their true capitalist economy, and they themselves collapse.

Russia, is treading water, whilst it can sell gas and oil to some countries, but has to sell it at discounted rates, which is not enough to support a war, and run an economy. It can not win the war in Ukraine, whilst the West supports Ukraine. Neither can Ukraine win the war, so it becomes a game of who blinks first. Russia, or the West?

Brexit is done. Badly, but it’s a faith acomply.

Get over it, and prepare for things to get a whole lot worse…

[tmcassett]

Jesus, I thought it was bad enough having to listen to JeffA’s drivel these last months in Franglais absence. But seemingly the main man has returned and we will now be subjected to another 150 pages of pointless waffle.

[franglais]

tmcassett:
Jesus, I thought it was bad enough having to listen to JeffA’s drivel these last months in Franglais absence. But seemingly the main man has returned and we will now be subjected to another 150 pages of pointless waffle.

Franglais:
Here we are again…zero Brexit content.

Have you been kidnapped? Are you being held prisoner, with your eyes held open by matchsticks, as my posts are held in front of you?
No?
Then you really don`t have to listen/read nor contri…(whoops) post yourself.

If any points I make are wrong, factually, or if you interpret events differently, please do tell me, and everyone here about it.
That is how forums are meant to work. It isn`t rocket science, although it seems to be a bit too difficult for some here to grasp.

[winseer]

Why does everyone think the government/establishment/uniparty are acting the way they are, despite it being the very opposite of the “Popularism” they get us to oppose?

“Unpopularism” indeed…

Your government that you elected - will abadon all manifesto commitments the moment they get elected, and will offer to do things for the other side of politics despite the fact that that other block of voters - STILL won’t be voting Conservative as a consequence…

The breach of the “Red Wall” was purely down to “Get Brexit Done” resonating with Brexit voters who stuck to voting Labour after, as well as those UKIP voters who swung to Corbyn in 2017…

(UKIP 4million in 2015 down to 500,000 in 2017… Corbyn’s Labour up by around 3.5million more than he was expected to get… That was NOT a coincidence!)

Neither Sunak nor anyone else at the helm - is going to be able to hold onto the breached Red Wall now that Boris has been got rid of.

(People like me - wouldn’t have been voting for Boris again anyways, as he’s come out for Ukraine, rather than a lower cost of living via unfrozen relations with Russia)

Corbyn - was pro-Russia if you remember… He might have fared better if the election had been 2022 rather than 2017, but unlike France where LePen can come back again and again for “another go” - Corbyn was toast the moment he lost net seats in any election.
I suspect Keir Starmer will go the same way next year, because you can bet your PPE Boots that Sunak will only call the election - timed in a manner that he can actually WIN it.
An election “This time next year” - would signify that Sunak is “out of ideas” of course…

[tmcassett]

Franglais:
Are you being held prisoner, with your eyes held open by matchsticks

It certainly feels like it after reading all your whining because you didn’t get your own way.

[winseer]

tmcassett:

Franglais:
Are you being held prisoner, with your eyes held open by matchsticks

It certainly feels like it after reading all your whining because you didn’t get your own way.

Wot IS his own way here?

[tmcassett]

Winseer:

tmcassett:

Franglais:
Are you being held prisoner, with your eyes held open by matchsticks

It certainly feels like it after reading all your whining because you didn’t get your own way.

Wot IS his own way here?

It’s all there in the previous 94 pages.

[jeffa]

robroy:

JeffA:

robroy:
I reckon Jeff has been gathering up allies to strengthen his ‘team’ .
Getting Frangers on board on the Brexit, anti Tory stuff and generally keeping the lefty end up (ooer Mrs) is a scoop,on par
with Newcastle Utd signing Kyllian Mbappe’ .

Welcome back Frangers (I think )…hope the re.hab therapy went ok.

There’s not much need for me to have a “team” on this board rob - the “right-wing” of the board just spent 5 pages arguing illegal migrants can claim benefits. If that’s the best they can manage it’s already like Barcelona vs Leigh RMI.

Nah all that has already been explained to you.
Free accommodation, free meals, free medical care from NHS, free travel, free brand new bikes, free vouchers for Asda, in fact free virtually every [zb] thing …all that equates to ‘‘benefits’’ to everybody… apart from those of you who want to keep up the ‘refugee’ charade.
A bit like saying ‘‘I dont get paid a weekly wage, I get paid a salary’’
So it’s a bit like Fact v Fiction… or a case of Kieran Trippier leading out Newcastle Utd,.against Roy of The Rovers leading out Melchester Rovers.

Oh come on - you all thought they were claiming benefits. In fact maoster even said yesterday “At least legal migrants pay tax and don’t claim benefits”. He’s still got it wrong after being told 50 times. That’s the one thing legal migrants can do - claim benefits. Illegal migrants can’t.

You only came up with the “They claim benefits - just not benefits everyone understands to be benefits” when I explained for 5 pages why you were wrong.

[jeffa]

robroy:
As you advised me, let me reciprocate…

Classic Frangers long winded boring rant about Brexit, yawwwwwn, (no links surprisingly this time ) amply illustrating his frustration and bitterness towards it, which he gladly hangs on to like a terrier.

And you have the audacity to compare ME with Winseer.

Hang on a minute rob - you’re not even the slightest bit frustrated or bitter about brexit when the immigration level is now 3 times higher than it ever was before Brexit? Cutting migration was the only reason people voted Brexit. That must sting.

[robroy]

JeffA:
Cutting migration was the only reason people voted Brexit. That must sting.

Oh was it?
So now you’re a spokesman for both me and the rest of the majority of the populace that voted for it now eh?

Nah you forgot the phrase ‘‘In MY opinion’’ after the word ‘‘Brexit’’ in your post mate.

[robroy]

JeffA:

robroy:

JeffA:

robroy:
I reckon Jeff has been gathering up allies to strengthen his ‘team’ .
Getting Frangers on board on the Brexit, anti Tory stuff and generally keeping the lefty end up (ooer Mrs) is a scoop,on par
with Newcastle Utd signing Kyllian Mbappe’ .

Welcome back Frangers (I think )…hope the re.hab therapy went ok.

There’s not much need for me to have a “team” on this board rob - the “right-wing” of the board just spent 5 pages arguing illegal migrants can claim benefits. If that’s the best they can manage it’s already like Barcelona vs Leigh RMI.

Nah all that has already been explained to you.
Free accommodation, free meals, free medical care from NHS, free travel, free brand new bikes, free vouchers for Asda, in fact free virtually every [zb] thing …all that equates to ‘‘benefits’’ to everybody… apart from those of you who want to keep up the ‘refugee’ charade.
A bit like saying ‘‘I dont get paid a weekly wage, I get paid a salary’’
So it’s a bit like Fact v Fiction… or a case of Kieran Trippier leading out Newcastle Utd,.against Roy of The Rovers leading out Melchester Rovers.

Oh come on - you all thought they were claiming benefits. In fact maoster even said yesterday “At least legal migrants pay tax and don’t claim benefits”. He’s still got it wrong after being told 50 times. That’s the one thing legal migrants can do - claim benefits. Illegal migrants can’t.

You only came up with the “They claim benefits - just not benefits everyone understands to be benefits” when I explained for 5 pages why you were wrong.

No you did not explain to me I was wrong, you illustrated the fact that you can not see that getting everything free is a benefit under another name and method.
Maybe they should work out how much they are actually freeloading in total, pay them the amount in cash, then get them to pay their bills for the services provided with said cash amount…would that make you understand that both scenarios are one and the same thing apart from name.?

As for Maoster I ain’t a spokesman for him, so why aim that at me?

[jeffa]

robroy:
No you did not explain to me I was wrong, you illustrated the fact that you can not see that getting everything free is a benefit under another name and method.

So that means we’re all on benefits then. You get free health care - you get tax breaks for kids and being married, you’re kids went to school - if you’re classing everything as “claiming benefits” then you’re claiming benefits too.

And illegal migrants don’t get anything like £85 a week dole money - they get a fiver a day or food vouchers. That’s why I can’t see the problem with the illegals - it’s the 745,000 legals who can claim dole and housing benefit - they’ll cost a lot more than 25,000 illegals.

[robroy]

JeffA:

robroy:
No you did not explain to me I was wrong, you illustrated the fact that you can not see that getting everything free is a benefit under another name and method.

So that means we’re all on benefits then. You get free health care - you get tax breaks for kids and being married, you’re kids went to school - if you’re classing everything as “claiming benefits” then you’re claiming benefits too.

And illegal migrants don’t get anything like £85 a week dole money - they get a fiver a day or food vouchers. That’s why I can’t see the problem with the illegals - it’s the 745,000 legals who can claim dole and housing benefit - they’ll cost a lot more than 25,000 illegals.

Seriously Jeff ffs?
No I ain’t on any benefits, I work for my money, and I get taxed on it, not get it handed to me for doing the far end of f/all, and pay for f/all.
If I did then I would be on benefits as such …just like your ‘‘refugee’’ mates (but without the crime side of things.)
And where do you get your figures from?
25000? Aye right.
Same place where you get your famous figure of 85 quid max on the dole ?.

[winseer]

If you’re not going to tax illegals - at least tax the charities that fund them, or even taxing those charities that insist on sending money overseas rather than spend it here back home - would be a step in the right direction…

Reform Reform Reform…

The best way to make things right for as many people as possible, right down to UK-born Benefit claimaints - is to stop wasting it on anything OUTSIDE the UK, including Foreign Wars, Foreign Sanctions, Foreign Illegals, Foreign Blockades, and of course Foreign Countries which we should stop trying to have influence over, as if we were still an Empire…

The wider world - is NOT our responsibility any longer, and hasn’t been for most of our lifetimes!

[jeffa]

robroy:

JeffA:

robroy:
No you did not explain to me I was wrong, you illustrated the fact that you can not see that getting everything free is a benefit under another name and method.

So that means we’re all on benefits then. You get free health care - you get tax breaks for kids and being married, you’re kids went to school - if you’re classing everything as “claiming benefits” then you’re claiming benefits too.

And illegal migrants don’t get anything like £85 a week dole money - they get a fiver a day or food vouchers. That’s why I can’t see the problem with the illegals - it’s the 745,000 legals who can claim dole and housing benefit - they’ll cost a lot more than 25,000 illegals.

Seriously Jeff ffs?
No I ain’t on any benefits, I work for my money, and I get taxed on it, not get it handed to me for doing the far end of f/all, and pay for f/all.
If I did then I would be on benefits as such …just like your ‘‘refugee’’ mates (but without the crime side of things.)
And where do you get your figures from?
25000? Aye right.
Same place where you get your famous figure of 85 quid max on the dole ?.

Be serious rob, the tax you pay is nowhere near the cost of educating your kids or getting free health care. Even if you were paying 20 grand a year in tax that would still only cover about a weeks education for your kids and a couple of days health care. There’s school buildings to maintain, teachers to pay, doctors to pay, hospitals to build - what do you think your 20 grand a year tax is going to cover? You have had massive amounts of free government money. You ve been “claiming benefits” for decades amd cost FAR more than any illegal migrant ever will. Everyone else has paid for your kids education and you’ve been free-loading. That’s the reality.

25000 is how many have arrived this year. Youre not still claiming £85 isnt correct are you? Come on, give your head a wobble and look it up if you think it’s wrong.

[jeffa]

Winseer:
If you’re not going to tax illegals - at least tax the charities that fund them, or even taxing those charities that insist on sending money overseas rather than spend it here back home - would be a step in the right direction…

Reform Reform Reform…

The best way to make things right for as many people as possible, right down to UK-born Benefit claimaints - is to stop wasting it on anything OUTSIDE the UK, including Foreign Wars, Foreign Sanctions, Foreign Illegals, Foreign Blockades, and of course Foreign Countries which we should stop trying to have influence over, as if we were still an Empire…

The wider world - is NOT our responsibility any longer, and hasn’t been for most of our lifetimes!

The cost of housing illegals comes out of the “overseas aid budget”
so i suppose thats one way of cutting overseas aid.

[franglais]

Approximately three quarters of those arriving in small boats get to stay legally.
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/re … s/sn01403/

They may arrive by irregular means, but are not eventually found to be illegal migrants.

Due to the failures of the system it now often takes over a year for claims to be dealt with, when previously it took a few months. That is why so many are being warehoused, and can`t legally work.

As JeffA says the cost comes from the overseas aid budget. Spending on asylum seekers costs the UK tax payer nothing extra.
It does take money that would have gone overseas, to help those in trouble to stay there, and give it to UK housing and hotel businesses.

Here is what asylum seekers receive. And it isn`t wot Karen offa FaceBook sez it is.
gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

[robroy]

Ah well you two, all that makes it alright.
I get it now the 6 mill per day is money well spent, and who am I to complain when the country (according to Jeff) is keeping me and my family in the lap of luxury
Let’s just open the floodgates and let in all the criminals terrorists, religious nut jobs and low life (oops sorry,.I lapsed then,.I meant “genuine refugees” and “asylum seekers” and all the Doctors and solicitors thereof think I got away with it. ) in willy nilly, to enhance our country and culture.

Apparentlly I see now we can excuse it all and make ourselves feel better about it, by having a pop at the Tories (and rightly so tbh) because their system is ■■■■ poor, and by pointing out ‘facts’ instead of perceived hearsay (morning Karen) that we only are being slightly ripped off instead of mega ripped off.
Yep, that makes it all fine and dandy by me now I have seen the light (leave it Sploom ffs )

So now at least we can look forward to a Labour govt, instead of having clowns in charge we can have liberal minded clowns in charge.
Rule Brittania/Keep the Red Flag flying.

Yep…Jeff and Frangers are my new mentors,.what the hell was I thinking all these years about this stuff,.I’m a changed man.

.

[franglais]

robroy:
I get it now the 6 mill per day is money well spent,

Who said that?

robroy:
let in all the criminals terrorists, religious nut jobs and low life

Who said that?

Try arguing about what is actuallybeing said here.

robroy:
that we only are being slightly ripped off instead of mega ripped off.

Yes you are being ripped off. And lied to.
And you are not even seeing the half of it.

[robroy]

Not said in as many words, but amply justified and excused, by the theme of your (and Jeff’s) posts and opinions.

Thanks for the advice btw, I’ll endeavour to see things from a more liberal left wing and anti tory perspective from now on…but give me a chance it’s only 20 mins ago since you turned me.