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Wheel Nut:

toonsy:

blue estate:
Blimey where has those 2 months gone ? Is it nearly the end of March already ?
Things can change and moved back , so in my eyes this is just scare mongering till it happens

Sent from my truck

Scare mongering? Naivety? Blinkered?

Nothing wrong with looking at both sides of the coin.

Its ok saying “until it happens” but what if it does? Does it not pay to be prepared? If someone tells you there’s a tree blocking the road ahead do you just drive on regardless because they might be scare mongering?

Seriously people on either side are so entrenched in their own world of Brexit they’re incapable of seeing both sides :unamused:

If everyone turns around because they were told there is a tree blocking the road, it will be there forever. I would carry on and see if its been moved,

Flat out? Or a bit more cautiously once you’ve been made aware there may be an issue?

Of course its equally possible that the mighty oak the guy said was blocking the road is actually just a crunchable branch :laughing:

But either way advance warning of a potential issue is surely better than none?

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Thing about EE hauliers doing work here for weeks…

It was always possible to limit that anyway. But our government chose not to apply that bit. Or leave the loopholes around it open to exploitation at least.

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Mazzer2:
Okay Hk I’ll answer you Yes there were Tories who didn’t accept the vote as well as Labour and yes they should have accepted it too, politicians on all sides should have worked together to get a deal because it would have given a better deal by having input from all sides. It also would have presented a united front to the European negotiators and cleared up confusion about what the UK wanted.
You say you only dip in here every now and then nothing wrong with that, except you get to miss things, I posted last year that I would have preferred May’s type of deal so no, no sudden change of mind.
You continually lump Brexiteers together, yet just as people who voted remain are a varied bunch so are people who voted to leave, stereotyping people in a debate just debases your argument.

Final point when you like to think of yourself as intellectually superior to the people you are debating with at least raise your spelling to a higher level than a primary school child:
Torres, unsure what the ex Liverpool and Chelsea striker has to do with Brexit

Tallaban, perhaps an off shoot of the Taliban as you seem to be the only person to know about them would you be kind enough to inform MI5/MI6 of their intentions.

Whay, again unsure of this do you mean way, weigh or whey, maybe this is local slang to where you live, if so could you explain it’s meaning.

Been an entertaining few hours engaging with you, you will never understand why I voted for Brexit, not because you are thick but because you don’t want to, you believe yourself to be superior because of your views and those who have different views to be inferior. A fine example of a liberal only being liberal if you agree with him :smiley: :smiley:

Nowhere I ever said I was superior, you and your Brexit mates, just don’t like when someone holds you and your views to account.
You , Brexiteers like to crowd these forums, bully everyone, trying to stop every conversation going about Brexit, I’ve seen it happening numerous times, to People such as Franglais, and others, far supperior with their their knowledge on the subjects discussed than you or I can ever dream of displaying.
I am just a regular lorry driver, don’t confuse me with somebody who I am not.

Yes, the problem with you Brexiteers is that you don’t know what you really wanted , and I don’t want to repeat myself again, I have posted lenghtly posts to which , again, you only partially replied, despite me going out of my way to help with clear pointers.
Whenever there is story about anyther Brexit ■■■■ up, no one comes in here, saying , “oh, that was main reason I voted for Brexit”, no one has the courage to own to it", the place just quiet.

Yes, spelling is my weakness, and I should be checking what I type, but anybody with a half a functioning brain knows what I write, despite these spelling mistakes, and if you still don’t, that’s OK, I know there are people that need help with the most basic tasks, just come back at me and for help with it, I won’t refuse.

Maybe, for a change, copy the whole sentence that I have written with a word that isn’t spelled correctly, so we could take a loook at it again, and see, what was so difficult about understanding the whole sentence with one word wrongly spelled.
How does this sound to you Mazzer?

So, when exactly did post in here that you prefered May’s deal, Mazzer, you can just simply copy it, from your history and paste it here for us to have a look.

You are, as your matey Robroy, one of those having plenty of time on your hands, occupying, posting on this forum, on various threads, day and night, you have plenty of time to find those posts, try Mazzer.

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Back to the Topic:

BRITTANY Ferries has reported a shift towards unaccompanied freight shipments on the routes it serves.

The French shipping company says that although freight volumes across the sector were down in January – which it puts down as a consequence of Brexit fears and stockpiling by companies – the percentage of unaccompanied units is already much higher than in previous years.

Brittany Ferries’ freight-only ship, Pelican, which links Poole with the Spanish port of Bilbao, was primarily designed for unaccompanied trailers. Currently, it is the best performing ship in the company’s fleet.

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robroy:

anon84679660:
@Robroy

You are a bit of drama queen Robroy , aren’t you?
You could have , would have, why don’t you just do it, let us see what an ecceptionaly, multi talented truck driver you.
I’ll be wainting Robroy, don’t let me lose all faith in you

:laughing: What a strange individual you are.
What are you waiting for exactly??..It was ME who asked YOU a question :bulb: .
Simply to explain your ridiculous analogy to …The Taliban, used in the context of Brexit. which you are clearly incapable of explaining.

Just going on and repeating the use of the term in your next child like badly constructed post, does nothing to explain it or answer my question.

So then you go on to attempt to avoid and cloud the issue by coming back with a smokescreen of meaningless and immature insults.
Then STILL evading the question put to you, you then continue to drone on about ‘how much help’ I need,…and how sorry you are for me :open_mouth: . :laughing: :laughing:

Thanks for the concern, but seek your own help with your suspected neuroticism that evidently comes a cross in most of your posts first, that you clearly need, before worrying about me…I’m fine but cheers anyway.

To sum up (and end) this bizarre conversation (not interested anymore in you trying to explain my query) you manage to type a whole plethora of long winded posts of child like balderdash and at the same time say absolutely nothing…then ironically call ME a drama queen…ok right. :smiley:

It’s been an …errrr ‘interesting’ exchange, trying to interpret and analyse your unbalanced ramblings mate. :laughing: :laughing:

Now, back to our favourite drama queen.

Robroy, mate, the term Taliban has been used for the last 4 years in relation to you Brexiteers, on various forums, including this one.
I am not used to explaining to people, things that are obvious to everybody, so you have to work it out on yourself, or better, have a call out, or a zoom call with all your delicate ex sqaudies mates, and talk about this particular issue, that is not allowing you to sleep, just make sure you are gentle, you don’t want to upset them too much, do you Robroy? They are so fragile, as you mentioned in your yesterdays reply.

You don’t have a very good memory Robroy, you have problems remembering what you have typed only few hours ago, and then you have problems remembering that you can just scroll up and read your own post again, to remind yourself what was that all about.

I have decided to save you time, troubles , and all the confusion you must be going through , using the scroll up button, and looking for your own post that could asnwer your own, recent question, so here it is Robroy:

You posted “I could quite easily come back at you with a much more educated and grammatically correct response than what you have attempted, which would show you up to be at best a bit eccentric, and at worse a bit stupid”

That’s what i was waiting for, this should answer your own question from your last, very ill tempered post.

So, I’m waitng old chap

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Unaccompanied has a few other benefits which can only help.

RH drive tractor units on our roads, safer for everyone.
Tractors using UK operators licences, so more likely to be in good condition and the drivers keeping to legal hours.

UK tractor operators/drivers more reluctant to take substandard trailers out on the road because the penalties for doing so are more than just a fine, get caught enough times and operators licence goes round the U bend, this should see an improvement in the operating condition of trailers used on roro, when they’ve enough scabby trailers refused on the dockside and enough perishable loads ruined or enough 4 figure bills to make them roadworthy they’ll have to up their game.

Drivers more likely to be on UK pay rates, yes some dodgy outfits will base foreign drivers here operating UK regd vehicles on the cheap, but if they don’t do the job right they’ll soon come up on the red light system and find themselves in check points and going out of business.
Drivers, even if they are foreign but based here driving permanently here have a better chance of normalising standard UK driving practices, and they’ll be in a RH drive motor which helps, should see a big reduction in the still too regular practice of some foreigners going all the way around a roundabout on the outside track, which causes mayhem and accidents for those in cars who don’t expect such maneuvers.

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Juddian:
Unaccompanied has a few other benefits which can only help.

RH drive tractor units on our roads, safer for everyone.
Tractors using UK operators licences, so more likely to be in good condition and the drivers keeping to legal hours.

UK tractor operators/drivers more reluctant to take substandard trailers out on the road because the penalties for doing so are more than just a fine, get caught enough times and operators licence goes round the U bend, this should see an improvement in the operating condition of trailers used on roro, when they’ve enough scabby trailers refused on the dockside and enough perishable loads ruined or enough 4 figure bills to make them roadworthy they’ll have to up their game.

Drivers more likely to be on UK pay rates, yes some dodgy outfits will base foreign drivers here operating UK regd vehicles on the cheap, but if they don’t do the job right they’ll soon come up on the red light system and find themselves in check points and going out of business.
Drivers, even if they are foreign but based here driving permanently here have a better chance of normalising standard UK driving practices, and they’ll be in a RH drive motor which helps, should see a big reduction in the still too regular practice of some foreigners going all the way around a roundabout on the outside track, which causes mayhem and accidents for those in cars who don’t expect such maneuvers.

so… following that to its logical conclusion more expensive to get goods delivered than with EU trucks = rise in prices.

Or keep the rates on tipping these low

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^^^^ as someone wisely mentioned in (yet another Brexit) thread I’d happily absorb extra expenditure on my behalf to create/sustain British jobs.

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A news item about the new Royal Mail Daventry parcel hub, has this about Channel tunnel Freight:

"Prologis says that companies are reassessing their supply chains to increase their use of rail freight due to
post-Brexit border policies, which allow trains from France to clear customs at an inland British terminal.
Prologis also credits the growth to rising e-commerce activity, road congestion and LGV driver shortages."

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anon84679660:

robroy:

anon84679660:
@Robroy

You are a bit of drama queen Robroy , aren’t you?
You could have , would have, why don’t you just do it, let us see what an ecceptionaly, multi talented truck driver you.
I’ll be wainting Robroy, don’t let me lose all faith in you

:laughing: What a strange individual you are.
What are you waiting for exactly??..It was ME who asked YOU a question :bulb: .
Simply to explain your ridiculous analogy to …The Taliban, used in the context of Brexit. which you are clearly incapable of explaining.

Just going on and repeating the use of the term in your next child like badly constructed post, does nothing to explain it or answer my question.

So then you go on to attempt to avoid and cloud the issue by coming back with a smokescreen of meaningless and immature insults.
Then STILL evading the question put to you, you then continue to drone on about ‘how much help’ I need,…and how sorry you are for me :open_mouth: . :laughing: :laughing:

Thanks for the concern, but seek your own help with your suspected neuroticism that evidently comes a cross in most of your posts first, that you clearly need, before worrying about me…I’m fine but cheers anyway.

To sum up (and end) this bizarre conversation (not interested anymore in you trying to explain my query) you manage to type a whole plethora of long winded posts of child like balderdash and at the same time say absolutely nothing…then ironically call ME a drama queen…ok right. :smiley:

It’s been an …errrr ‘interesting’ exchange, trying to interpret and analyse your unbalanced ramblings mate. :laughing: :laughing:

Now, back to our favourite drama queen.

Robroy, mate, the term Taliban has been used for the last 4 years in relation to you Brexiteers, on various forums, including this one.
I am not used to explaining to people, things that are obvious to everybody, so you have to work it out on yourself, or better, have a call out, or a zoom call with all your delicate ex sqaudies mates, and talk about this particular issue, that is not allowing you to sleep, just make sure you are gentle, you don’t want to upset them too much, do you Robroy? They are so fragile, as you mentioned in your yesterdays reply.

You don’t have a very good memory Robroy, you have problems remembering what you have typed only few hours ago, and then you have problems remembering that you can just scroll up and read your own post again, to remind yourself what was that all about.

I have decided to save you time, troubles , and all the confusion you must be going through , using the scroll up button, and looking for your own post that could asnwer your own, recent question, so here it is Robroy:

You posted “I could quite easily come back at you with a much more educated and grammatically correct response than what you have attempted, which would show you up to be at best a bit eccentric, and at worse a bit stupid”

That’s what i was waiting for, this should answer your own question from your last, very ill tempered post.

So, I’m waitng old chap

Tbh I thought I had already achieved answering you with as I said… ‘‘A much more educated and gramatically correct response’’ than you can manage already, and that I succeeded quite well in ‘‘showing you up to being a bit eccentric and stupid’’ …already, despite the fact that you (to be fair to you) continue to illustrate these traits so well by yourself…

Maybe you should also scroll back, if you did you would have seen that I also stated that as far as I was concerned the conversation was closed, as I was bored with your child like drivel, and pathetic attempted insults, but I’ve renagued one final time just to help you clarify. :bulb:

So crack on,… I’m out, :smiley: …So go ahead, I’ll give you the last word…(but try your best to make it a bit more adult like this time.)
Carry on. :wink:

My apologies to everybody for having to endure and read this crap…Jeez H Christ :unamused:
(At least when I argue with Franglais on his Brexit views I get a clear and succinct adult debate with him, being on an equal or similar intellectual plain.
It’s like pulling teeth with this clown. :laughing: )

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the maoster:
^^^^ as someone wisely mentioned in (yet another Brexit) thread I’d happily absorb extra expenditure on my behalf to create/sustain British jobs.

I genuinely don’t know if you are being serious sometimes :laughing:

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I’m beginning to understand a few more Brexit reasons now thanks to The Daily Mash:-

Why we had to back Brexit: a Leave voter remembers the nightmare dystopia of 2016

"People are quick to forget what it was like back then, in 2016. Migration was out of control. For every Brit working, there were four foreign criminals getting free NHS operations to laugh at us. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
“Every day the Express would tell us how our taxes were being funnelled to so-called ‘deprived areas’ in Bulgaria and South Wales for infrastructure to improve people’s lives. Disgusting. :blush: :blush: :blush:
“You couldn’t ignore it. You only had to flick on the telly and Nigel Farage would be on Question Time explaining that the entire population of Turkey was on the march and would reach us any day. Then everyone in the audience would clap, proving it was true. Some nights I’d cry myself to sleep.
“And he still wasn’t prime minister, unfathomably. Instead we had an Eton-educated toff who didn’t understand the first thing about the lives of ordinary people. Can you see now why we had no choice?"

Continued At:- Why we had to back Brexit: a Leave voter remembers the nightmare dystopia of 2016 | The Daily Mash

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Darkside:

Juddian:

so… following that to its logical conclusion more expensive to get goods delivered than with EU trucks = rise in prices.

Or keep the rates on tipping these low

The problem with the cheapest ‘globalist’ method is when exactly do you stop.
EE’s too expensive, OK we’ll let Indian mega trucks with three drivers on board do the job non stop, halve the EE wages of a single driver, bolt huge belly tanks under the trailer chassis.
Indians costing too much? Chinese next same method same result, who next?

Meanwhile in Britain we’ll force our own working class into penury taxing them till the pips squeak via the increasingly hysterical climate scam, something the Indians and Chinese laugh at.

Let the EU mange such things? trouble is with that they’ve already lowered the bar by allowing EE countries in en mass before they could anywhere near harmonise their economies with the west, hence the massive flood of EE young workers to the west particularly Britain because Blair and ilk wanted a new electorate…something i don’t blame the immigrants for in the least by the way and bloody good luck to them, but when all the sums are done the rich, those who push these schemes, get rich on the backs of lowered wages whilst the working class, who managed as did millions of British workers over the years by good collective bargaining raise their standards of living, find all the gains they made being pulled carpet like from under their feet.

When globalisation happens, its always the working class plebs like us who find their living standards being lowered to that of the lowest paid the elites decide are next for the production lines or the gulag if they object, something the working class should be fighting not aiding the globalists in their efforts to put the well paid workers where the globalists believe they belong, back in serfdom.

I don’t understand some of the working class mentalities.
There have been several threads on this very forum about drivers in wage disputes, a few years ago it was the Hoyer drivers on strike, you’d think other drivers would be encouraging them, not a bit of it, many on here were against the Hoyer lads because they were already on better terms than the naysayers here…what don’t they get about betterment for everyone, when those who have some industrial muscle get a fair crack it makes those jobs more attractive, so drivers want to get in there, this has a wave effect so other similar operations have to up their terms or risk losing their skilled staff.

Oh not on your nelly, they should have their wages cut down to the lowest so we’re all at poverty level according to far too many, music to the ears of those controlling things, eventually you really will own nothing and you will be happy, apparently, becuase you won’t be able to afford it.
In proper unionised segments we had it the other way round, when a big operator was in dispute, drivers in the rest of the industry voted to and made it clear the lads in dispute had their backing, not by direct or secondary action but by not jumping in and carrying the products concerned, that sadly would be completely different in general transport, hence the continued race to the bottom.

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It has made some operators up wages.In South Wales they have had to up wages above a £10 an hour .Most would rather commute to Avonmouth or Chepstow.The usual suspects have increased to just shy of Chepstow rates.

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As much as I agree with you Juddian slightly off topic.
Before I was hopeful that the UK would see a small return of manufacturing to these shores. But that wont happen. Just look at HS2 protests or Coal mine protests.
The irony is one of the biggest contributers to climate change is shipping/flying stuff across the world. If we made stuff ourselves we could cut climate change.
I am dead against globalisation but I see it as inevitable.
But now I am off topic.

I haven’t seen wages go up yet.
That being said with Covid in full swing I doubt we will see any noticable changes until we get past that hurdle.

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Juddian:

Darkside:

Juddian:

so… following that to its logical conclusion more expensive to get goods delivered than with EU trucks = rise in prices.

Or keep the rates on tipping these low

The problem with the cheapest ‘globalist’ method is when exactly do you stop.
EE’s too expensive, OK we’ll let Indian mega trucks with three drivers on board do the job non stop, halve the EE wages of a single driver, bolt huge belly tanks under the trailer chassis.
Indians costing too much? Chinese next same method same result, who next?

Meanwhile in Britain we’ll force our own working class into penury taxing them till the pips squeak via the increasingly hysterical climate scam, something the Indians and Chinese laugh at.

Let the EU mange such things? trouble is with that they’ve already lowered the bar by allowing EE countries in en mass before they could anywhere near harmonise their economies with the west, hence the massive flood of EE young workers to the west particularly Britain because Blair and ilk wanted a new electorate…something i don’t blame the immigrants for in the least by the way and bloody good luck to them, but when all the sums are done the rich, those who push these schemes, get rich on the backs of lowered wages whilst the working class, who managed as did millions of British workers over the years by good collective bargaining raise their standards of living, find all the gains they made being pulled carpet like from under their feet.

When globalisation happens, its always the working class plebs like us who find their living standards being lowered to that of the lowest paid the elites decide are next for the production lines or the gulag if they object, something the working class should be fighting not aiding the globalists in their efforts to put the well paid workers where the globalists believe they belong, back in serfdom.

I don’t understand some of the working class mentalities.
There have been several threads on this very forum about drivers in wage disputes, a few years ago it was the Hoyer drivers on strike, you’d think other drivers would be encouraging them, not a bit of it, many on here were against the Hoyer lads because they were already on better terms than the naysayers here…what don’t they get about betterment for everyone, when those who have some industrial muscle get a fair crack it makes those jobs more attractive, so drivers want to get in there, this has a wave effect so other similar operations have to up their terms or risk losing their skilled staff.

Oh not on your nelly, they should have their wages cut down to the lowest so we’re all at poverty level according to far too many, music to the ears of those controlling things, eventually you really will own nothing and you will be happy, apparently, becuase you won’t be able to afford it.
In proper unionised segments we had it the other way round, when a big operator was in dispute, drivers in the rest of the industry voted to and made it clear the lads in dispute had their backing, not by direct or secondary action but by not jumping in and carrying the products concerned, that sadly would be completely different in general transport, hence the continued race to the bottom.

All fine until you realise we have a Tory government. They are really going to look after the working man aren’t they.

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Darkside:

the maoster:
^^^^ as someone wisely mentioned in (yet another Brexit) thread I’d happily absorb extra expenditure on my behalf to create/sustain British jobs.

I genuinely don’t know if you are being serious sometimes :laughing:

You have a valid point! :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: 90% of the time I’m not serious about anything really, however, whilst not advocating a blitz style mentality I’d like to see us ALL pulling together for the greater good. IMO whilst I enjoy cheap prices I honestly would be happy to pay slightly more if it benefited Great Britain PLC.

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Darkside:

Juddian:

Darkside:

Juddian:

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All fine until you realise we have a Tory government. They are really going to look after the working man aren’t they.

Since around 97 there’s not been a ■■■ paper between the parties, a conservative govt would not be doing its best to destroy the economy of the country unfortunaely the tory party are fake conservatives, sadly the current opposition we don’t have can only come up with should have done more to destroy the economy of the country, labour long ago betrayed the working class of the country but the working class can’t see it.

None of them have the slightest interest in the working person on the Clapham omnibus, the only time any of them want us is when they want our votes and they get them by trying to outdo each other with bribes for the working class with borrowed money the children of that same working class will have to pay back forever, the only other time we are of the slightest interest is when they need cannon fodder for the latest illegal war, and all 2.5 parties share the guilt for what’s gone on there.

A solid united working class has strength, its no good yahbooing the other team, those days are gone, it isn’t a left versus right struggle any more because there’s no one on the right to be found, its the old class war again just as it always has been and sadly too many of the working class have been bamboozled by the idiot box in the corner and via cheap credit into believing they are something else entirely, until the working classes unite again and stop nit picking one another the elites will drive us ever further under the heel.

The working class do not have a party nor any representation in parliament any more.

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adam277:
As much as I agree with you Juddian slightly off topic.
Before I was hopeful that the UK would see a small return of manufacturing to these shores. But that wont happen. Just look at HS2 protests or Coal mine protests.
The irony is one of the biggest contributers to climate change is shipping/flying stuff across the world. If we made stuff ourselves we could cut climate change.
I am dead against globalisation but I see it as inevitable.
But now I am off topic.

I haven’t seen wages go up yet.
That being said with Covid in full swing I doubt we will see any noticable changes until we get past that hurdle.

The present scam isn’t what people think it is, its a convenient vehicle for what those who own the world and big tech have planned, the climate scam is the next phase as the various virus scares lose their effect, out politicians arn’t really much to do with it, they’re pawns like the rest of us, they’ll do what they are told in order to secure their futures.
Is there anyone in the cabinet with the nous to plan and pull this off? please.

I’ve suggested time and again for people to stop spending on cheap credit living phoney pound shop celebrity lifestyles on borrowed money and to clear their debts during these cheap credit years, changes are coming which are deliberately designed to change all of our pleb lives permanently, i don’t know what the end game is but what i do know is that there won’t be a return to normal any time soon on a permanent basis, they’ve got the population where they want them, terrified and unquestioning, millions soon to be totally reliant on the state when the true irreversible damage to our small businesses becomes public knowledge, they’ll be bouncing us around for years to come.
Millions will be lucky to have any sort of job, let alone look forward to pay increases.
The free money plucked from Rishi’s arse to keep the middling class plebs onside will all have to be paid back, and guess who’s going to get the bill.

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Darkside:
even his beloved Howdens run motors empty to Runcorn from Avonmouth each night empty to load because that is cheaper than keeping stock in store.

No they don’t but thanks for confirming you know absolutely nothing about how the company works. I’m guessing you’re thinking they’re empty because they’re running with the lift axle up and the tyres look like they’ve got no weight on them which they wouldn’t if they were full of product? What an idiot if that is what you’re using to work out if they’re empty. They’re running with the lift axle up because Runcorn is the site that makes the vast majority of kitchen cabinets so every trailer that comes out of Runcorn that is loaded there is filled top to bottom, front to back with kitchen cabinets and because they’re pre-built and not flatpack they weigh sod all, you can move a 3 pallet high stack on the 16ft high trailers by hand without the need for a pump truck even though it’s a non-slip floor there’s so little weight in them. So the trailers are full, just not of flatpack like you think. But once again, thanks for the demonstration you don’t have a clue.

They manufacture their own stuff, they have warehouses absolutely rammed full of stock, such as the one at Thorne, because they hold enough that should there be any manufacturing issues they can continue to meet demand for 2,3,4 weeks or so. The company puts ensuring the customer is able to get what they want when they want it above profit many times to the point that a few weeks ago they sent a van all the way from Howden to Stranraer with a handful of kitchen cabinets on that weren’t able to be put on a trailer.

I doubt very much they’re running empty from Runcorn to Avonmouth on a night trunk unless someone has cocked up. We’ve run empty trailers up to Scotland before but that’s because they’ve been bringing back a trailer full of chipboard that the Bellshill outbase has loaded and brought down to the changeover and that chipboard is needed because of the demand of manufacturing.