Brexit stuff in one place [MERGED]

Juddian:

Darkside:

Juddian:

so… following that to its logical conclusion more expensive to get goods delivered than with EU trucks = rise in prices.

Or keep the rates on tipping these low

The problem with the cheapest ‘globalist’ method is when exactly do you stop.
EE’s too expensive, OK we’ll let Indian mega trucks with three drivers on board do the job non stop, halve the EE wages of a single driver, bolt huge belly tanks under the trailer chassis.
Indians costing too much? Chinese next same method same result, who next?

Meanwhile in Britain we’ll force our own working class into penury taxing them till the pips squeak via the increasingly hysterical climate scam, something the Indians and Chinese laugh at.

Let the EU mange such things? trouble is with that they’ve already lowered the bar by allowing EE countries in en mass before they could anywhere near harmonise their economies with the west, hence the massive flood of EE young workers to the west particularly Britain because Blair and ilk wanted a new electorate…something i don’t blame the immigrants for in the least by the way and bloody good luck to them, but when all the sums are done the rich, those who push these schemes, get rich on the backs of lowered wages whilst the working class, who managed as did millions of British workers over the years by good collective bargaining raise their standards of living, find all the gains they made being pulled carpet like from under their feet.

When globalisation happens, its always the working class plebs like us who find their living standards being lowered to that of the lowest paid the elites decide are next for the production lines or the gulag if they object, something the working class should be fighting not aiding the globalists in their efforts to put the well paid workers where the globalists believe they belong, back in serfdom.

I don’t understand some of the working class mentalities.
There have been several threads on this very forum about drivers in wage disputes, a few years ago it was the Hoyer drivers on strike, you’d think other drivers would be encouraging them, not a bit of it, many on here were against the Hoyer lads because they were already on better terms than the naysayers here…what don’t they get about betterment for everyone, when those who have some industrial muscle get a fair crack it makes those jobs more attractive, so drivers want to get in there, this has a wave effect so other similar operations have to up their terms or risk losing their skilled staff.

Oh not on your nelly, they should have their wages cut down to the lowest so we’re all at poverty level according to far too many, music to the ears of those controlling things, eventually you really will own nothing and you will be happy, apparently, becuase you won’t be able to afford it.
In proper unionised segments we had it the other way round, when a big operator was in dispute, drivers in the rest of the industry voted to and made it clear the lads in dispute had their backing, not by direct or secondary action but by not jumping in and carrying the products concerned, that sadly would be completely different in general transport, hence the continued race to the bottom.

As Juddian knows I don’t agree with everything he says* but I do with this, especially the mentality of some working people paragraph.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if you are in any doubt where Boris and Co want working people please read " The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists". I was mid '50s when I read it but wish I’d discovered it decades before, an absolute eye opener about the UK a mere 50 or so years before my birth.

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WheelsofCardiff:
It has made some operators up wages.In South Wales they have had to up wages above a £10 an hour .Most would rather commute to Avonmouth or Chepstow.The usual suspects have increased to just shy of Chepstow rates.

Yes, even Owen’s is now advertising £10 per hour, even out of Llanelli…

I guess Bogdan and Marcîn are not planning on coming back anytime soon, and the locals are not so keen on waiting for their trailer in a manly layby on the A483 :laughing:

Conor:

Darkside:
even his beloved Howdens run motors empty to Runcorn from Avonmouth each night empty to load because that is cheaper than keeping stock in store.

I doubt very much they’re running empty from Runcorn to Avonmouth on a night trunk unless someone has cocked up.

Apples and oranges :wink:

robroy:

anon84679660:

robroy:

anon84679660:
@Robroy

You are a bit of drama queen Robroy , aren’t you?
You could have , would have, why don’t you just do it, let us see what an ecceptionaly, multi talented truck driver you.
I’ll be wainting Robroy, don’t let me lose all faith in you

:laughing: What a strange individual you are.
What are you waiting for exactly??..It was ME who asked YOU a question :bulb: .
Simply to explain your ridiculous analogy to …The Taliban, used in the context of Brexit. which you are clearly incapable of explaining.

Just going on and repeating the use of the term in your next child like badly constructed post, does nothing to explain it or answer my question.

So then you go on to attempt to avoid and cloud the issue by coming back with a smokescreen of meaningless and immature insults.
Then STILL evading the question put to you, you then continue to drone on about ‘how much help’ I need,…and how sorry you are for me :open_mouth: . :laughing: :laughing:

Thanks for the concern, but seek your own help with your suspected neuroticism that evidently comes a cross in most of your posts first, that you clearly need, before worrying about me…I’m fine but cheers anyway.

To sum up (and end) this bizarre conversation (not interested anymore in you trying to explain my query) you manage to type a whole plethora of long winded posts of child like balderdash and at the same time say absolutely nothing…then ironically call ME a drama queen…ok right. :smiley:

It’s been an …errrr ‘interesting’ exchange, trying to interpret and analyse your unbalanced ramblings mate. :laughing: :laughing:

Now, back to our favourite drama queen.

Robroy, mate, the term Taliban has been used for the last 4 years in relation to you Brexiteers, on various forums, including this one.
I am not used to explaining to people, things that are obvious to everybody, so you have to work it out on yourself, or better, have a call out, or a zoom call with all your delicate ex sqaudies mates, and talk about this particular issue, that is not allowing you to sleep, just make sure you are gentle, you don’t want to upset them too much, do you Robroy? They are so fragile, as you mentioned in your yesterdays reply.

You don’t have a very good memory Robroy, you have problems remembering what you have typed only few hours ago, and then you have problems remembering that you can just scroll up and read your own post again, to remind yourself what was that all about.

I have decided to save you time, troubles , and all the confusion you must be going through , using the scroll up button, and looking for your own post that could asnwer your own, recent question, so here it is Robroy:

You posted “I could quite easily come back at you with a much more educated and grammatically correct response than what you have attempted, which would show you up to be at best a bit eccentric, and at worse a bit stupid”

That’s what i was waiting for, this should answer your own question from your last, very ill tempered post.

So, I’m waitng old chap

Tbh I thought I had already achieved answering you with as I said… ‘‘A much more educated and gramatically correct response’’ than you can manage already, and that I succeeded quite well in ‘‘showing you up to being a bit eccentric and stupid’’ …already, despite the fact that you (to be fair to you) continue to illustrate these traits so well by yourself…

Maybe you should also scroll back, if you did you would have seen that I also stated that as far as I was concerned the conversation was closed, as I was bored with your child like drivel, and pathetic attempted insults, but I’ve renagued one final time just to help you clarify. :bulb:

So crack on,… I’m out, :smiley: …So go ahead, I’ll give you the last word…(but try your best to make it a bit more adult like this time.)
Carry on. :wink:

My apologies to everybody for having to endure and read this crap…Jeez H Christ :unamused:
(At least when I argue with Franglais on his Brexit views I get a clear and succinct adult debate with him, being on an equal or similar intellectual plain.
It’s like pulling teeth with this clown. :laughing: )

Here’s my favourite drama Queen back, again.

Franglais has so much more polite patience to deal with morons from Brexit Taliban, I don’t, and I am not going to be appologising for it, they need to be faced the way they come at us, Franglais is way too polite for all of you.

Now, Robroy, I expect you to be coming here, every time there is another ■■■■ up from the Brexit side, which most likely means, on daily basis, and just simply say one word ; “sorry”, otherwise don’t even show your face on this thread, you have never had anything constructive to add , as far as I can remeber, apart of this, this thread has not been created with Brexit Taliban in mind, you and people like you are incapable of having any meaningfull conversation about Brexit, every Remainer on this thread knows it, they are just too polite to keep repeating it too you over and over again.

Now, since you struggle with simple google search, I have done it for you, here is a bit reading on the subject you’ve so persistenty been enquiring about, being the only person in this country, I suspect, not aware of the term Brexit Taliban being videly used on various forums:

Tory MP compares members to Taliban and says colleagues too afraid to speak out over Brexit
independent.co.uk/news/uk/p … 06396.html

Opinion: The intellectual dishonesty of the Brexit Taliban is now in full view
washingtonpost.com/news/glo … full-view/

…and these are just only main news channel using that term, various internet forums, that Brexit rug , Daily Mail, are awash with this term in their comment section.

What are you going to do about it, Robroy, maybe just gather your upset squadie mates, and sue them, both of these papers, you wouldn’t want allow your Brexiter Talibanised squadie mates to be upset for too long.

What a sad piece of work this fella is

robroy:
Mods…Can we not have a specialised ‘‘Remainers Whinging Forum’’ where they can belly ache and whinge,.and predict and feed each other examples of impending doom, gloom, famine and pestilence, connected to their interpretation of Brexit, until their hearts are content…and give the rest of us a break? :neutral_face:

Jeez H Christ man, it’s incessant ffs. :unamused: , one thread reaches 10 pages, burns out, and dies a death, then another one starts.

Btw…I blame Winseers disappearance on these guys, the poor [zb] has barricaded himself into his bunker, in full tin foil suit, refusing to come out, cos he’s terrified. :smiley:

What are you doing here, on a Brexit thread again?
You shouldn’t be here at all, you hate these Brexit threads, they have surely not been created for a Brexit Taliban to be coming and commenting, so , why don’t you just move back, to threads more at your intelectual level, such as discussing colour of truck, there you don’t need to have any knowledge about the subject, but you still can get yourself into an argument , as you most often do in here, discussing your opinions only.

Meet Hkloss… my latest fan ladies and gentlemen. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

(Just my sense of humour by the way, please don’t take it as me 'Mocking the afflicted’or ‘The Unbalanced’ I ain’t that unkind or insensitive. :wink: :smiley: )

Edit…I’m going to take this ‘character’s’ advice and try and make no more comments on these boring bloody Anti Brexit threads.
It’s time to move on, and just leave these pathetic whingers to carry on licking their wounds, if you/we add to these pointless discussions of ‘What if’ ‘Why did’ and all the rest of this totally pointless stuff, it just perpetuates it, so basically this is …wait for it. :smiley:

Rob making his official Trucknet (BREXIT threads ONLY btw :smiley: ) flounce off.
So here I am doing my ‘drama queen’ mincing into the sunset, try not to miss me Klossy,.and to Franglais… it’s been emotional. :laughing:
Farewell dear hearts, don’t whinge yourselves into an early grave.:wink: :sunglasses:

It’s not just Importers.

Borrowed from Facebook:

Didn’t take long for a sensible discussion thread to drift Off-Topic

I thought it might have legs where we could sensibly look at actual impacts & how it is affecting the Industry, for all of us, both for & against ■■■■■■■■.

Surely we can have one ■■■■■■■■ thread where we don’t argue but share info.

Fat chance that :imp: :imp: :imp:

whisperingsmith:
Didn’t take long for a sensible discussion thread to drift Off-Topic

I thought it might have legs where we could sensibly look at actual impacts & how it is affecting the Industry, for all of us, both for & against ■■■■■■■■.

Surely we can have one ■■■■■■■■ thread where we don’t argue but share info.

Fat chance that :imp: :imp: :imp:

Totally agree.

robroy:
I’m going to take this ‘character’s’ advice and try and make no more comments on these boring bloody Anti Brexit threads.
It’s time to move on, and just leave these pathetic whingers to carry on licking their wounds,

Who is being anti brexit?

Doesn’t matter now the mods have ruined it.
Brexit is a complicated issue. You can quite easily having one thread about the pros and cons of brexit and a completely different one about how brexit will actually impact truck drivers.
But nope, mods just merge them all together.

Why not merge all the threads mentioning trucks together. Its all the same anyway. :unamused:

You’d think how many of us are on the ground level and often at the ports or in EU delivering and collecting goods we could actually have a sensible discussion.

Attn Munchkin.

I’d never heard of ‘The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists’ until tonight, but seeing the lasting impression the book had on your good self it appears also to have inspired George Orwell, good enough recommends for me and i’ve ordered a copy.
Much obliged to me learned friend.

Yea, I’ve looked into that book as well. Will be getting it from the library if I can.

There is also: The Ragged Trousered Philanderer Facebook

A page based on the principles of Robert Tressell’s Ragged Trousered Philanthropists.
Left wing political discussion, observation and satire.

Don’t share all his views, but a worthwhile source of educated comment.

bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00bzs … odes/guide
As BBC R4 play.

On Ro-Ro trailers. Juddian and Conor have listed some good reasons in favour of them.
But.
Dover alone has been handling 2.6million freight units a year. It relies on getting it ferries in and out quickly. There simply isn’t the time to empty and load those ferries. There isn’t the land there to marshal the numbers of droppers needed to make a significant difference.
The train/tunnel again has enough land to marshal trucks but not thousands of drops, and can you imagine tuggies waiting as they reverse individually 15 lengths, pick up a drop, drive off, then the next reverses on? Take for ever.
Those “kanagroo” lift on trailers? Not enough around and not enough trains for them either. Those freight trains take time to tip and load.
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The are options…Yes.
But they involve extra land, time to set up, expense in kit etc. And while we are varying around with that existing businesses will find other solutions more quickly. We have already lost one of our clients who set up a new EU distribution centre rather than expand in the UK. Will new factories set up here, or in the EU where the is less transport delay, expense, and risk? Ask a Great British entrepreneur like Jim Ratcliffe.

And here’s a link from a couple of weeks ago.
theguardian.com/world/2021/ … est-abroad
Note that Hornby were then looking for EU warehousing, and JD Sports were undecided. On today’s news, JD are reported to be moving about 1,000 jobs from the UK to the EU as a direct result of Brexit.
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Yes it is reported in the Guardian.
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No that doesn’t mean it is automatically wrong.
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Those who aren’t interested in such things can ignore, get upset for themselves, get upset on behalf of someone else, or do anything at all they want.
They can even join in a discussion if they wish!

Franglais:
On Ro-Ro trailers. Juddian and Conor have listed some good reasons in favour of them.
But.
Dover alone has been handling 2.6million freight units a year. It relies on getting it ferries in and out quickly. There simply isn’t the time to empty and load those ferries. There isn’t the land there to marshal the numbers of droppers needed to make a significant difference.

Humber Ports region actually handles several times more tonnage from the EU than Dover does. Dover may not have the capacity or the ability but other ports do. Humber ports region for example has plenty of space so for stuff that is heading up north, to the west or is coming from the northern end of the EU and where an extra few hours on a boat makes little difference it can be diverted to ports other than Dover. Dover could then remain focussed on the more JIT stuff.

Conor:

Franglais:
On Ro-Ro trailers. Juddian and Conor have listed some good reasons in favour of them.
But.
Dover alone has been handling 2.6million freight units a year. It relies on getting it ferries in and out quickly. There simply isn’t the time to empty and load those ferries. There isn’t the land there to marshal the numbers of droppers needed to make a significant difference.

Humber Ports region actually handles several times more tonnage from the EU than Dover does. Dover may not have the capacity or the ability but other ports do. Humber ports region for example has plenty of space so for stuff that is heading up north, to the west or is coming from the northern end of the EU and where an extra few hours on a boat makes little difference it can be diverted to ports other than Dover. Dover could then remain focussed on the more JIT stuff.

For regular traffic, so units aren’t packed waiting for a return, from North or East EU to North UK, that isn’t time sensitive, it may work for some.
But the extra time penalty to drop a trailer, have to shunted on board, long sea crossing, shunted off, collected again before eeven getting near it’s destination, let alone the availability of boats and tuggies to make much difference?
I can’t see it as having much take up. A truck can cross the channel and get north before the trailer left the EU quay.
Make that long sea route compulsory ?
Less fresh food, longer delivery times means lposses as the way business operates doesn’t like that.
You or anyone can argue that Just In Time is bad etc, but it is what we have. Businesses ate not faithful to one nation and are already voting with their feet.

With Kent County Council clamping everything in sight EU hauliers will stop coming via Dover anyway.

Franglais:

Conor:

Franglais:
On Ro-Ro trailers. Juddian and Conor have listed some good reasons in favour of them.
But.
Dover alone has been handling 2.6million freight units a year. It relies on getting it ferries in and out quickly. There simply isn’t the time to empty and load those ferries. There isn’t the land there to marshal the numbers of droppers needed to make a significant difference.

Humber Ports region actually handles several times more tonnage from the EU than Dover does. Dover may not have the capacity or the ability but other ports do. Humber ports region for example has plenty of space so for stuff that is heading up north, to the west or is coming from the northern end of the EU and where an extra few hours on a boat makes little difference it can be diverted to ports other than Dover. Dover could then remain focussed on the more JIT stuff.

For regular traffic, so units aren’t packed waiting for a return, from North or East EU to North UK, that isn’t time sensitive, it may work for some.
But the extra time penalty to drop a trailer, have to shunted on board, long sea crossing, shunted off, collected again before eeven getting near it’s destination, let alone the availability of boats and tuggies to make much difference?
I can’t see it as having much take up. A truck can cross the channel and get north before the trailer left the EU quay.
Make that long sea route compulsory ?
Less fresh food, longer delivery times means lposses as the way business operates doesn’t like that.
You or anyone can argue that Just In Time is bad etc, but it is what we have. Businesses ate not faithful to one nation and are already voting with their feet.

If the long North Sea crossings are so impractical why is it impossible to get a booking on them?
For anything loading Scandinavia, Northern Germany and Holland and heading for Northern England it is quicker going through the Hook or Rotterdam and that includes drop trailers, it is not just the crossing time but drivers hours to factor in, start a card at seven in the morning in Hamburg use the Hook and the following morning you have a full card to deliver in the UK, Hamburg to Calais is a full card so do you park in Calais or 4 hours away to keep the load safe and then struggle to make Northern England the next day.
Can’t speak about the time penalty for drop trailers in Portsmouth as I don’t use that crossing but the crossings that I do use there is no time penalty for a drop trailer if it is booked on then it will go just the same as if it was a runner. The majority of movements across the North Sea are already drop trailers so it is a perfectly practical way of moving all goods

cav551:
With Kent County Council clamping everything in sight EU hauliers will stop coming via Dover anyway.

Maybe they will.
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I always think faces generally look better with the nose intact. Cutting one’s own nose off always seems silly to me.
Making life very difficult for anyone, bringing goods in for our consumption, or exporting goods for our profit, seems, again,…silly.