Think it only really matters when your young,just got a house,babies etc ,living week to week,then you want to be paid weekly,as you get older it doesn’t really matter as house is paid for,no debts,you’ve got everything you pretty much need,save most of your wages,so weekly ,fortnightly,monthly it matters little as you should have plenty of money in bank to cover you.
The best way to get paid is by buttons!
limeyphil:
I hate hourly pay. Far too many drivers stretch it out to a full 15 or 13 every day. So the grafters get paid less.
I’m the opposite.
Quite often salary = job & knock. Drivers develop a “get done as quickly I can” approach and before you are know it the planners are giving you more to do. You become you own worst enemy, doing more work for the same cash.
Rob K:
The best way to get is by buttons!
Only you rob
rob22888:
limeyphil:
I hate hourly pay. Far too many drivers stretch it out to a full 15 or 13 every day. So the grafters get paid less.I’m the opposite.
Quite often salary = job & knock. Drivers develop a “get done as quickly I can” approach and before you are know it the planners are giving you more to do. You become you own worst enemy, doing more work for the same cash.
Couldn’t agree more!
ROG:
bonnie lass:
Hi all , I’ve been trying to think about which method of payment for work is going to be the most beneficial way and what are the ‘pit falls’ to avoid If any of you had a choice of getting paid by either
the hour
self employed
per trip
or another way
What would you choose & why please?
Number 1
It then puts the pressure onto the planners to ensure they do not route you onto routes which can cause long hold ups and send you to places where you could be waiting for hours to unload etc
If the planners do route you and you get hold ups then you are happier knowing that you are getting paidTaking the pee by going the long way or deliberately going slower than needs be will usually get the driver their cards especially as many firms have trackers fitted
To me the driver and the company are now covered by paying an hourly rate
Sense from Rog^^^^^
I charge by the hour with an overtime rate. Works because of the above reasons as stated by Rog. The company know where they are and so do I. If I get held up then I know I’m earning. If the company want me to do a 15 hour day then fine, that’s what they pay for.
All these other methods, bonuses etc. are often done to provide a smokescreen to hide what is effectively a ■■■■■ wage.
I’ve been paid in many diferent ways,
Full percentage, earned well and some off it was done legal though the hours carried out would probably meant it was shocking hourly rate
Hourly, which is fine til you get told too park for the night at 3pm or so and start next day at 7am, as a tramper I hated that. I’ve also found that the hourly rates I’ve been offered were poor
Daily rate with bonus percentage, you feel that there is reward for effort and I liked this method quite alot, and I didnt allways max my hours, no point hanging the job out.
Daily rate with bonus mileage, again reward for effort, this method not bad, but hurts when you get alot off city work, again no point to hanging the job out.
Present job, full Daily rate its tidy too, stops ■■■■■■■■ between drivers over who has the best job, allways kept on the move, so not good if you’re a bit cafe happy. maxing out driving usually before spreadover. decent holiday pay, liking this method.
I like being paid weekly, but would do monthly paid for the right money.
Spectron,
Just for your info lad, I have never done that in the 39 years of driving hgv’s.
Sorry to disappoint you.
But I knew a few that did. Especially after the miners strike.
post went across too soon
Juddian:
I’ve been paid all ways, now paid a proper salary incl full pay for sick etc for a genuine max 48 hour week over a set number of days per year.There are pitfalls to salary, if for example your 48 hour max week turns into 60 or 70 hour weeks on some companies, fortunately my job doesn’t, if i end up doing a 13/14 hour day (never planned like that) or two in a week then i’ll get a couple of 7 hour days to bring the hours back and we don’t use POA ever, other companies can and do take advantage.
One pitfall to salary with full sick pay is half wit alleged drivers who take the ■■■■, those blinkered numpties who think that going sick regularly whilst their job is being covered by agency is going to last for ever ‘‘oh arn’t i clever’’…these fools are the death knock to good jobs and companies but are too inbred/stupid to see what they are doing, they’ll be the ones crying in their beer when it all goes ■■■■ up.
Hourly is OK if the basic rate is good, and any overtime is paid at the correct rate and accrued on a DAILY not weekly or other basis.
Hourly is not so good if overtime is only after 40/50/60 hours.Trip money is fine so long as everything goes OK, with an ever increasing population then delays and congestion can only get worse, not my choce but it works for some.
Car transporters i spent many years on is usually paid as a mixture of hours/bonus/price per car/drop money/further bonus after so many hours etc, its very complicated but was quite a fair and lucrative way to be paid so long as you did 2 weeks work in one and were one of the chosen, the difference in pay if your face didn’t fit (mine) was as much as 25% and you can easily work 25% harder than those better paid.
Fortunately where i was hols were paid at average, and stand down time for WTD purposes was paid @ £100 a day.No doubt other companies operate similar schemes, you can only judge each agreement on its merits, remember when you are being interviewed for such a job they will quote the best figures and the hours the blue eyed boys do for that money, add 25% to the hours and knock at least 25% off the earnings for the likely earnings of the majority.
All non salary earnings are subject to the whims of whoever allocates the work, they can effectively control your pay, can you put up with that…too many people spend more time worrying about what everyone else is doing they end up paranoid and depressed and it can be contagious in a company.
Remember with pay however its paid its whats in writing as your absolute basic is whats most important, thats the bare minimum you can be paid when on holiday or if you get short weeks as in bank hols etc.
For me salary has worked out best, but others will feel differently.
By the way, however i’m paid i always divide my total pay (not incl nights out or ex’s as these are not pay) by the number of hours i’ve actually worked to give a true hourly rate figure…its the only way to truly compare.
Thanks juddian, thats given me some more to think about, cheers
Jack-knife:
I thought everybody got paid by the mile the way you all drive!
Thanks jack-knife
Needs to be either hourly or £300 per shift. Good basic rate >8 hours then time 1.5 after = happy driver, happy to do the job in a timely manner without dragging it out = happy customer and happy client.
oh ■■■ Dunn it again:(
the dream would be to continue doing my ■■■■ ant little job all week and get £100 cash in hand for a run somewhere sunday,the cash would soon build up
gickniff:
bonnie lass:
Hi all , I’ve been trying to think about which method of payment for work is going to be the most beneficial way and what are the ‘pit falls’ to avoid If any of you had a choice of getting paid by either
the hour
self employed
per trip
or another way
What would you choose & why please?
I have always been paid on a percentage/ bonus basis and have found it always worked for me as I don’t have to unnecessarily stretch the day out to make a decent wage , there are ups and downs to any payment method the most important factor is a half decent firm/boss.
Thanks gickniff, that’s an interesting way of getting paid, how does that work? , what sort of a percentage & based on what ■■ I don’t know the mechanics of how that one works Cheers
Fatboy slimslow:
Juddian:
One pitfall to salary with full sick pay is half wit alleged drivers who take the ■■■■, those blinkered numpties who think that going sick regularly whilst their job is being covered by agency is going to last for ever ‘‘oh arn’t i clever’’…these fools are the death knock to good jobs and companies but are too inbred/stupid to see what they are doing, they’ll be the ones crying in their beer when it all goes ■■■■ up.just spoke with the wife at weekend about this, THIS week will be a prime example nice and hot in the beer gardens of Alderley Edge! Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Cheers fatboyslim,
The same few people have been taking the pee out the sick pay scheme over the years , & such to the extent that the company wanted to do away with it altogether, they did restructure it a bit in the end, but had it been done away with totally the ones who were genuinely sick would have lost out !!
U get a % of what the truck earns!
U be luckey to get 20%
How you work that out I don’t know?
Unless you a quoting for the work yourself!!
I’ve always wondered why even in “good times”, there’s little by way of driver migration between lesser payers and better payers…
High to low, the difference even in the same neighbourhood is quite startling.
I reckon £8.50ph self-employed or £6.50ph PAYE is about as low as it gets for C+E work, but as for the top end?
I hear all sorts of stories about “how much billy gobshyte gets paid as a contractor”, but of course never any actual payslips to prove it.
The last bloke to boast about how much he was getting as a self-employed contractor then proceeded to rip off all the airlines after bodging a split couple.
Are there any agencies left that still pay 1990’s rates of £15ph and upwards?
There’s plenty around who’ll drive the hourly rate down to £8.50ph on any old excuse (don’t have a HIAB/Moffet/Clean Licence etc) but then go that extra mile to try and pay it self-employed via umbrella as well.
There’s such huge demand for HIAB drivers around here, I’m surprised that the rate hasn’t surpassed C+E rate by now at least.
Jack-knife:
U get a % of what the truck earns!
U be luckey to get 20%
How you work that out I don’t know?
Unless you a quoting for the work yourself!!
If the firm has the same accountants as Starbucks & Amazon, then every firm will state on their tax returns that “this vehicle net costs us money to run, because the wages of the driver push the cashflow into the red - investigate them as to why they can’t work for less…”
So, on the basis of that, you get paid zero rain or shine, and any wages you do get are some kind of charitable donation “because it’s a bit slack this week” - An excuse that continues to get used even when you’re flat out with work, the warehouse is overflowing with stuff, and us agency bods have taken half the vehicles off the road for MOT failure faults - because we insist on doing the job properly.
Spare a fault for the forkies too…
no one wants to swap places with this guy I’m sure…
limeyphil:
I hate hourly pay. Far too many drivers stretch it out to a full 15 or 13 every day. So the grafters get paid less. I don’t think professionals should be paid by the hour, That is for part time menial pin money jobs.It makes me laugh when people say “i’m paid £■■■ per hour, miniumum 12 hours, but we don’t get extra if we go over. Usually only do 8 hours though”. Guess what? That’s called day rate.
Trip money is great if you work for a decent firm. There are cowboys that will pay say £250 for a Round trip to Germany, So you have to do 2 a week to make it pay. However, The decent firms work out a decent average, A £500 job that usually takes 4 days can sometimes be done in 3, but may take 5. This means that if the boss wants you to do another local job you will earn more money if you’ve managed to do the job in 3 or 4 days, or say “no it’s home time for me”.
Thanks limeyphil, it’s a case of finding a good company that pays well , that can be difficult, cheers
scanny77:
Monthly is ok if you can manage your money but a big unexpected bill can really screw up your month early on
salary is fine because you know how much you can budget for
hourly is fine if you want long hours to be comfortable
self employed is similar but with better take home pay but you only get paid while you are at work. Take a day off and you don’t get a penny. Best to be healthy and big taking holidays
per trip is probably better in America since a trip could be an entire week. I wouldn’t even think about it over here
Thanks scanny , I am good at budgeting for the month, but like you say , it only takes a big bill unexpected and it can put a stick through the spokes, I can’t see me driving in other countries though, I never go abroad even for a holiday! I suppose it is a case of finding out what the job entails & trying to work out the pay side of it to cover what you deem to be an acceptable wage, cheers
holliefabbabe:
i find that a bit of both helps the other , employed and self employed , both on either weekly of fortnightly , then you can make a loss on some days and others make a good profit , plus little or reduced tax is paid,employed is hourly, i get the cpc , uniform, ni payed, even pension
self employed is by the shift , and price is agreed before for the 8 /13/15 hour shift, very good agreement , plus all costs are taken into acount
Thanks holliefabbabe, that’s interesting , how do you get do the paperwork & what are the mechanics to achieve a smooth running with your p45 & self employed bit , to keep the tax man happy & paperwork in order, cheers
Legend_Scania:
Pay by the hour
Then you can throw it in the people face who think its funny to keep you waiting to unload or load you up“It don’t bother me I get paid by the hour”
Thanks legend scania, it seems a straight forward way, cheers