Berliet

The reason she has not followed most other pre-2000 vehicles across the Mediterranean is this crane. In Switzerland nowadays, a EURO 0-rated 40-tonner will pay almost 1 Eur per kilometer of road tax, when coupled to a trailer.

Yes this is not a typo, almost 1 Euro. The Swiss are very serious about promoting the environment in an aggressive way.

But this being an official Renault Dealer, they are entitled to using garage plates as long as they use them strictly on intervention work, garage plates are tax-exempted.
They expect to keep using her for years to come, as long as she will not cause major trouble.

Neversweat1, the following pics will be familiar to you I presume!

Nice triple K turbo

Smaller-than-expected wheel hubs, they really are smaller than most other hub reductions I have seen. Or maybe they aren’t reductions in fact…

And to conclude: the cockpit.
I have not seen many day versions of the KB2400 design, there were never many around in my observation.

She only has some 350’000 kms, though she probably has more hours than mileage, the mechanic told me she has done a lot of stationary crane work.
Also, the cab is starting to show some fatigue…

The old, pre-1992 logo. A rare sight these days.

I hope you enjoyed the pics gents.
Questions/observations are welcome

Regards

Saviem:

michel:
Abnormal loads in France.

Evening all, if you Gentlemen could hear the noise that we are being subjected to!! V Festival…its more like a very amateur early Music class…band, my goodness, no real band could sound like this…I`ve broken out the Ear Defenders for my Hens…we need the eggs!!

michel, what a super image, Berliet TBO M3, ( 67 98 SD 54), fitted with the Berliet Relax cab, bought by Jacques Mayer second hand, around 1979, fitted with a 335 ■■■■■■■■ I think that this photograph was taken late 80s. 42.9 by the 12 line Nicolas, she was a good servant for Mayer!
Bollinger beckons…to drown out the noise!!

Cheerio for now.

Hi Saviem,
I don’t know how you are going to drown out the noise as I know you live close to it ! I’m a good 7 mls from it and I can hear it in my living room :open_mouth: Hens not laying? I bet they’ve all run off !!

Thank you Davidoff for taking the time to take the photos for me :smiley: I notice from the box in the cab VOLVO get everywhere now even in the old models :smiley: I have only worked on and seen 1 V8 in my time and that was in a R420.
I’m sure those are reduction hubs even though they aren’t very big. In the vehicle tool kit used to be a spanner to undo the filler cap on the end - an example of which I still have. The Garage Plate system must be similar to our Trade Plates here I should imagine.

Thanks again
Steve

The hub reduction was smaller on 6x4 lorries used for road or delivery work, it was bigger on tipper lorries or solo rear axle.

Evening all, michel, what an extensive collection of photographs you have!

Fleet number 302 was a Renault R360.35T 6x4, think she joined the fleet around `82/83ish Probably one of the first Renault badged Berliet units She would be about 11tonnes nett, with a normal weight of 35 tonnes, and “Hors Code” weight of 180 tonnes. Transmission would have been a ZF 4 S 150 8 speed, and she would have had a road speed of around 80KPH, Making her a very versatile lorry, pusher, drawbar, and also artic.

She also ran as an articulated outfit coupled to a Nicolas trailer and “jeep” dolly. Did a lot of Nuclear equipment movements, with a TBO as pushing unit. Working at 200 tonnes plus.

Off to Hospital tommorow…chassis problem…have to have a “new” knee. Still have not cut all the Wheat…so am a bit concerned…

Cheerio for now.

Steve

In Nice, TBO 15 M3 perhaps for test.

TLM10 with semi trailer for gasoline Azur.

michel:
TLM10 with semi trailer for gasoline Azur.

Well Gentlemen, has there ever been a more beautiful looking lorry?

The Berliet TLM10M a 35 tonne design weight with tandem axle trailer, designed to replace the rather disasterous TLM 10R, (Ricardo design, with Eberspacher Turbocharger),The Eberspacher turbo proving highly unreliable in service. With a wb of 3.75m, and the option of a sleeper cab, powered by the 180hp M (magic, MAN combustion),MDZ23M 9.5litre (120x140),180 hp @2100rpm transmitted via a Berliet FBT8 10speed gearbox to a Berliet FPDM18 double reduction axle, giving a road speed of 66kph. The steering was air assisted!

The almost identical looking TLR 10M, was a 31 tonne design weight , (on three axles) tractor, to replace the model TLR 10 R , (Ricardo combustion). Fitted with the MDZ23M 6 cylinder, 9.5 litre, (120x140), 180 hp @2100rpm, ( MAN), Magic Combustion design, transmitted via a Berliet FBNH 12 5 speed gearbox to a Berliet FPTR two speed axle, giving a road speed of 68KPH.

These models, (as well as their larger sister the 14.78 litre TLM) are really the iconic French machines of the late 50s early 60s. Their road “presence” was omnipotent. Grinding away at the kilometres, or resting “pinging” gently from their labours on some sunny Routiers Parking…

Go on, admit it…you would love to get behind that large steering wheel, and just drive…that is not just a lorry…it is a work of art!

I shall raise a toast to you all, and to those wonderful Berliet designs, thank you michel,

Cheerio for now.

Davidoff:
And to conclude: the cockpit.
I have not seen many day versions of the KB2400 design, there were never many around in my observation.
I hope you enjoyed the pics gents.
Questions/observations are welcome

Regards

The day cab version of the KB2400 cab is indeed a rare sight. A few pages back, there was a TRH320 (350?) with it, on the construction of Nice Airport.

Berliet missed a trick with that day cab, in the UK, IMO. Instead of bringing the TR280 in with the luxury trim and the sleeper cab, the standard version for Britain could have been a stripped-out day cab model, with hard, boot-proof upholstery, to suit the impecunious operator, and drivers who may have regarded comfort as a bit effeminate. Of course, the “normal” luxury version could have been offered, but at a higher price. The marque may have been more successful against the Swedish makes, as a result. Should have gone into marketing, me… :laughing:

Saviem:

michel:
TLM10 with semi trailer for gasoline Azur.

Well Gentlemen, has there ever been a more beautiful looking lorry?

The Berliet TLM10M a 35 tonne design weight with tandem axle trailer, designed to replace the rather disasterous TLM 10R, (Ricardo design, with Eberspacher Turbocharger),The Eberspacher turbo proving highly unreliable in service. With a wb of 3.75m, and the option of a sleeper cab, powered by the 180hp M (magic, MAN combustion),MDZ23M 9.5litre (120x140),180 hp @2100rpm transmitted via a Berliet FBT8 10speed gearbox to a Berliet FPDM18 double reduction axle, giving a road speed of 66kph. The steering was air assisted!

The almost identical looking TLR 10M, was a 31 tonne design weight , (on three axles) tractor, to replace the model TLR 10 R , (Ricardo combustion). Fitted with the MDZ23M 6 cylinder, 9.5 litre, (120x140), 180 hp @2100rpm, ( MAN), Magic Combustion design, transmitted via a Berliet FBNH 12 5 speed gearbox to a Berliet FPTR two speed axle, giving a road speed of 68KPH.

These models, (as well as their larger sister the 14.78 litre TLM) are really the iconic French machines of the late 50s early 60s. Their road “presence” was omnipotent. Grinding away at the kilometres, or resting “pinging” gently from their labours on some sunny Routiers Parking…

Go on, admit it…you would love to get behind that large steering wheel, and just drive…that is not just a lorry…it is a work of art!

I shall raise a toast to you all, and to those wonderful Berliet designs, thank you michel,

Cheerio for now.

Hallo Saviem, the topspeed of the Berliet’s at which RPM was the, at max hp revs or in the red band, or was that on the recommended cruise revs. because you know so good as me that in those days the topspeed was at the revs when you couldn’t push the pedal deeper. Our first F88’s with the 8 speedbox did 56mph a max power that was 2200revs,but all told the top speed is (for example nearly 100kph but that was in the red band at about 2400revs. And so we had to change the 6th headgasket frequently because of the heat notwithstanding the water stayed at level (about 80°)

Cheers Eric,

Evening all, Eric, as far as I can remember Berliet road speeds were quoted at max rpm…cruising, well of course we all “cruised” at max rpm did we not!

My first little Foden 4 cylinder Gardner would do 38mph flat out…I went all through France at that speed! Only ever let me down once, broken injector pipe, and those real Gentlemen at Transports G Borca, nr Paris, soon got me going again, (at a very reasonable price), as their Bernards all used licence built Gardners.

Borcas ran a lot of stainless steel bodied van trailers, I think that the chassis were US Dorseys, built in France. They ran a fair number of Mack engined Bernards, as well as some Mack B61s fited with French Pelpel cabs, bit of an odd looking lorry! But the real good looking ones were the Bernards with the aerodynamic Arnault cabs, almost as good looking as the Berliet TLM10M!

Im away for my Bollinger, I have earned it today, myself, and my new knee, managed a few hours on the round baler, behind my new Valtra, but it feels a bit rough now…the knee, not the Valtra!

Cheerio for now.

2010 in North rally.
From left to right.
Berliet GDC 6 ,TLM 10 R, TLM 10M,GBC8 “Gazelle”.

Last Saturday in a rally in Alsace: Berliet TLR 10.

At the same place : one of the last TR 305.

Fifty years between 6x6 GBC !