Steve
Thanks Steve, beautiful as usual.
I liked the sentence in the magazine cover : “KB 2400 - 1972-1997”. Come to think of it, how many cab designs have lasted 25 years ?!
- Scania’s average lifetime is 13-15 years (applied to both 0&1 as well as 2&3 series)
- Volvo’s epic F10-12-16 series lasted from 1977 through 1992 and the FH just short of 20 years
- Iveco, well one could argue that the Turbostar was really a revival of UNIC’s cab so that would have been close to 20 years.
But 25 years, I can think of no other example… - The Magnum, well, 22 years. Almost there
Here is an interesting site - sorry it’s in French but the pictures are really good.
fierdetreroutier.com/zoom/a_ … bine_R.php
All the best
David
Davidoff:
Thanks Steve, beautiful as usual.I liked the sentence in the magazine cover : “KB 2400 - 1972-1997”. Come to think of it, how many cab designs have lasted 25 years ?!
- Scania’s average lifetime is 13-15 years (applied to both 0&1 as well as 2&3 series)
- Volvo’s epic F10-12-16 series lasted from 1977 through 1992 and the FH just short of 20 years
- Iveco, well one could argue that the Turbostar was really a revival of UNIC’s cab so that would have been close to 20 years.
But 25 years, I can think of no other example…- The Magnum, well, 22 years. Almost there
All the best
David
The cab first appeared on the TR300 in 1970, then the other models followed soon after, so that makes 27 years. It is as if the troublesome TR300 has been airbrushed from history by the artist of that collage. If you look at the links to the SNVI websites I posted earlier, the good old KB2400 appears still to be in production in Algeria. If we are counting “secondhand tools” production, the Saviem SM cab has the KB beat- it was launched in 1968 and is still in production in Romania, I think. It seems that a version of the SM cab was produced in China until quite recently although, if the original tools were in Romania, the Chinese must have been using copy tools. The DAF 95 was launched in 1987 and is still in production, so that makes 26 years and counting…
TLM 15 from a friend.
michel:
TLM 15 from a friend.
Very nice Michel - I like the combination of colours 
Steve
[zb]
anorak:
The cab first appeared on the TR300 in 1970, then the other models followed soon after, so that makes 27 years. It is as if the troublesome TR300 has been airbrushed from history by the artist of that collage. If you look at the links to the SNVI websites I posted earlier, the good old KB2400 appears still to be in production in Algeria. If we are counting “secondhand tools” production, the Saviem SM cab has the KB beat- it was launched in 1968 and is still in production in Romania, I think. It seems that a version of the SM cab was produced in China until quite recently although, if the original tools were in Romania, the Chinese must have been using copy tools. The DAF 95 was launched in 1987 and is still in production, so that makes 26 years and counting…
Indeed 70, not 72!
I had no idea that Roman was still using that cab. Is it still branded as Roman?
Shame that Hungary-based Rábá stopped using those Daf 2800 cabs, they too would have been record holders.
I have been to China a few times, but personally never saw the MAN/Saviem cab. I did however see a perfect copy of Steyr’s old angular cab (the one that was really only sold in Austria and a bit in Switz…), it still seems to be in production too over there, the trucks I saw were definitely not old. That would bring us back 30-odd years as well.
neversweat1:
0Steve
Only a quick one, as we are still going on the Wheat…
Steve, that TRH, ran alongside some twelve Saviem badged, (but actually pure Austrian OAF 6x6), drawbar articulated outfits, at well in excess of 150 tonnes each. The building of the new runway out into the sea at Nice was some big construction job. A total mountain was removed by those US Marion face shovels, and transported along a series of unsurfaced haul roads, under part of Nice, and dumped, (side tippers of course), into the sea.
If I remember correctly the Marion buckets held about 25tonnes of material, and the whole operation was very slick. Somewhere I have all the details, and the men behind the design, and execution of the project. Will dig them out when I have more time, and write a little about it. We used the whole job as a media exposure tool, and it was really succesfull.
Back to the Combine,
Cheerio for now.
Davidoff:
Indeed 70, not 72!
I had no idea that Roman was still using that cab. Is it still branded as Roman?
Just got this off their website:
roman.ro/produse/autovehicul … obasculantÄ‚%2016%20mc
They also use the F90 cab, with some stylish panel changes.
Davidoff:
Shame that Hungary-based Rábá stopped using those Daf 2800 cabs, they too would have been record holders.I have been to China a few times, but personally never saw the MAN/Saviem cab. I did however see a perfect copy of Steyr’s old angular cab (the one that was really only sold in Austria and a bit in Switz…), it still seems to be in production too over there, the trucks I saw were definitely not old. That would bring us back 30-odd years as well.
I was wrong- it’s the F90 cab on the Chinese truck, or a pretty good copy of it. Reading through their site, it seems that MAN have given them some assistance.
chinatrucks.com/product/truck/70.html
IIRC, Steyr had an interest in China long beore it became fashionable.
[zb]
anorak:Davidoff:
Indeed 70, not 72!
I had no idea that Roman was still using that cab. Is it still branded as Roman?Just got this off their website:
roman.ro/produse/autovehicul … obasculantÄ‚%2016%20mc
They also use the F90 cab, with some stylish panel changes.
Indeed a nice cab redesign. I must admit I had never seen this cab on ROMAN vehicles.
As they say in French, ce soir je me coucherai moins idiot - tonight I will go to bed less silly.
[zb]
anorak:Davidoff:
Shame that Hungary-based Rábá stopped using those Daf 2800 cabs, they too would have been record holders.I have been to China a few times, but personally never saw the MAN/Saviem cab. I did however see a perfect copy of Steyr’s old angular cab (the one that was really only sold in Austria and a bit in Switz…), it still seems to be in production too over there, the trucks I saw were definitely not old. That would bring us back 30-odd years as well.
I was wrong- it’s the F90 cab on the Chinese truck, or a pretty good copy of it. Reading through their site, it seems that MAN have given them some assistance.
chinatrucks.com/product/truck/70.html
IIRC, Steyr had an interest in China long beore it became fashionable.
Well they seem to have both in fact:
- The f90, as can be seen in your link above (by the way, in the specs it says max speed = 120 kph - welcome to China!)
- And here is a picture of the old one. I never knew under which nickname or code this series was known. I hope the link works. qdklai.en.made-in-china.com/prod … k-8x4.html
by the way they seem to have “borrowed” the old FL10 signature as well: qdklai.en.made-in-china.com/prod … e-Use.html
It was the Chinese that bought the old Dodge 50 Series line out of Dunstable - Never seen a Chinese version though
Steve
Saviem:
Evening all, Steve, Davidoff, may I share a few memories…Newbag were quite “go ahead”, and were instrumental in selling a number of “drop frame”, Sinpar modified JNs to Coca Cola, for urban distribution. This was a very good conversion, very manoueverable and stable with small turning circle. This design was also offered in the UK , but with a frame designed by chassis developments in co-operation with engineering at Dunstable. Personally, I felt that it lacked the simplicity of the original Sinpar design. I think in the UK the only take up was via Harold Montgomerys outfit in Northern Ireland for Coca Cola, and did Bulmers have one example?
I had only a short time working in association with Nubag, but was amazed at the volume of ERF ■■■■■■■ B series tractors working with Suisse operators, Nubag`s staff told me that the ERF concession had closed, (thank goodness), so acceptable had been the product!!! Perhaps someone knows more?
I enjoyed my short time in the Suisse market, small, but intense, and the first where the future identity of Renault Vehicules Industriels was shown.
I need a Bollinger, we are cutting Wheat today…yipppeeeeee, and no rain showing as yet!!!
Cheerio for now.
Steve
Abnormal loads in France.
michel:
Abnormal loads in France.
Evening all, if you Gentlemen could hear the noise that we are being subjected to!! V Festival…its more like a very amateur early Music class…band, my goodness, no real band could sound like this…I`ve broken out the Ear Defenders for my Hens…we need the eggs!!
michel, what a super image, Berliet TBO M3, ( 67 98 SD 54), fitted with the Berliet Relax cab, bought by Jacques Mayer second hand, around 1979, fitted with a 335 ■■■■■■■■ I think that this photograph was taken late 80s. 42.9 by the 12 line Nicolas, she was a good servant for Mayer!
Bollinger beckons…to drown out the noise!!
Cheerio for now.
Nice picture Michel!
I have always regretted that Berliet never equipped the long-bonneted models with the in-house V8. What a match that would have been.
The strongest Berliet-branded long lose was the GBH 280, wasn’t it? Then in the eighties I remember seeing a very small number of Renault CBH 340 and CBH 380, usually heavy-duty work like on road repairs, but again never with a V8.
Unless our in-house experts prove me wrong, in which case I am eager to hear the story!
Regards
This is especially for Mr Neversweat, I promised I would go and take a look at this dealer and yes they still use this old beauty quite regularly (though mostly on rescue work).
More pics coming shortly
Very intense sunlight made it difficult to take good shots, I did my best
Personally I always liked this lettering style. Very exclusive and recognisable, a real signature in my view.
