Ben Habib has left Reform-UK, I don’t follow this stuff as closely as some but I think Reform-UK has lost someone who seems genuine in his beliefs.
Northern Ireland voted to Remain in the EU.
Habib doesn’t even know what he’s moaning about.
BREXIT should be about protecting the economy against foreign interests and competition.
At least Peter Shore understood the problem and the solution.
The Leave campaign was not about protecting the UK it was about opening the UK up to global free trade.
The very opposite of what you seem to imagine it was about.
Yeah?
I thought it was generally about re.gaining self governance,.and breaking away from the shackles of the corrupt EU.
Not to mention the immigration issue, amongst a few other things.
No it did not go the way we wanted…, but I have no intention of going into why with you again…yawwwwn.
Political rhetoric.
How corrupt is the EU? More or less than the UK political scene? More or less than other political arenas?
No where is 100% corruption free, and the EU is no worse than other places.
The vast majority of EU laws adopted by the UK were supported by the UK.
As a member of the EU we had a say in their trade rules. They are still our biggest trading block, and we now have to accept their conditions with no say.
We are now law takers , not law makers. That is the real world.
As a smaller economy individually than as part of a huge block we now have worse trade deals with just about everywhere, than previously.
With Trump threatening trade wars we are a smaller and more vulnerable entity than before. He will likely try to force us to accept more of the US genetically modified and hormone injected meats they consume.
The way Trump is talking about pushing expensive US pharma onto the NHS is frightening.
YOU in your first paragraphs are telling ME that ? 
The rest yada yada yada same old obligatory pro EU/anti Brexit Franglais bullcrap…cba yawn kin yawn.
As I said …no will or desire to discuss Brexit with you, been done to death, said my piece on it…have a trawl through my last 7 years’ posts on it if you like …as you do.
Couldn’t agree more.
So the question is why should we willingly import more corruption?
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I’ve read and re-read this post.
Sorry, but I don’t know what extra corruption is being imported?
That was maoster’s point, surely: that we no longer have to.
“Import more corruption”?
Are we importing more corruption? What corruption, and where from?
I honestly don’t understand what is being said.
It’s quite simple really; if the EU (by your own admission) is no more or no less corrupt than any other organisation the question remains why we should be a part of said organisation and import any extra corruption into our everyday lives?
Others seemed to have grasped my meaning. Or have you simply had all weekend to google lots of links and decided to respond once you had your weapons in place?
No, we are not in the EU and therefore outside its corruption. If you ever get the opportunity to socialise with employees of the EU in Brussels, they’ll enlighten you about the endemic and large scale corruption that has dogged that institution since the EEC began. I voted for our entry to the EEC, innocent of what it really was.
Where does the “extra corruption” come from?
I still do not understand what you are saying.
Are laws made by the EU made by more or less corrupt politicians that in the UK?
We seem to agree that the EU and UK both have corruption, but not to greatly different levels. So there is no more nor less corruption dependent upon where it comes from.
A law is made by equally corrupt/honest politicians irrespective of it’ s origin.
No “more corruption” that I can see.
Most of our trade is still with the EU, so most of our laws and regulations involving trade in goods and services is still governed by existing EU law. It will continue to be so in the future, but we will have less say in those future laws than in the past when we were members of the EU.
Got to say it AGAIN you are an absolute joke…the TN gift joke that keeps on giving.
As I keep asking you ‘TN Devils Advocate’ for the sake of it?.. or are you actually what everybody on here accuses you of …blinkered and totally deluded ?
I would go as far as to say you are the ONLY person I know of, irrespective of their views on Brexit…(which is now officially an historic event), who does not accept or know that the EU is rife with corruption and abundant with free loading passengers (in 2 contexts) of the gravy train express.
Never take those blinkers off…Pleease.
we would miss the amusenent too much.
Well, corruption was only ever a small part of the brexit thing; all the issues of accountability, democracy, immigration etc etc have already been discussed on these threads ad nauseam.
As I said 'Brexit’is an historic event,.we have all moved on and are dealing with the pitfalls, life goes on.
Only Franglais loves to keep it current .
A bit more ‘corruption’, albeit legal, but definitely not fair or justifiable…for our very own ‘Comical Ali’ to get his Hampsteads into.
Accountability?
In the EU elections we had PR elections.
In the UK we have FPTP and two recent PMs who were not elected by all the citizens, nor by all the MPs.
That sounds less democratic to me.
Oh, and also of course Ministers of the Crown who were not elected amd in one case never elected.
That doesn’t sound more democratic to me.
But having said that…
I still do not see where “more corruption” comes into it.