You know exactly what he’s saying and the wording of it but that makes you uncomfortable and doesn’t fit your narrative so you are being deliberately obtuse and playing dumb.
Anyooo…
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Seeing as Franglais having exhausted the Brexit thread is now trying to turn and hijack this thread into a PR vehicle for his beloved EU 
…, Let’s get back to the subject in question instead.
Here’s Habib on with James Whale (a long time respected broadcaster who will now have some discrediting dirt dug on him no doubt) a couple of nights ago discussing why he left, and his ‘thing’ with Farage.
I’m going to use my phone a friend and guess at option 2.
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Any dumbness on my part is absolutely genuine!
Not playacting at all.
The fact that other parts of the world, including Britain, have examples of unaccountability, corruption or undemocratic practices doesn’t make it all right then. ‘Oh, but there’s always corruption’ is a cry I’ve heard too many times from remainers and it’s a cop-out.
We have to get our own house in order, of course. But the likes of Boris and Skeeth won’t help us to achieve that aim.
Saying that the EU is corrupt, ie is less than perfect, and is about the same as the UK, is no reason at all for us to have left then!
Being in the EU did not give us more corruption. It did not lead to increased imports of corruption. It did not give us more corruption.
Brexit has not improved levels of corruption in the UK.
If I have missed summat please explain where.
I have neither the time, temperament nor the prerequisite number of crayons to explain further. But to take your above statement ^^^ at face value Brexit may not have improved levels of corruption but it’s certainly removed a layer of corruption that comes as part and parcel of EU membership.
Has it?
Instead of EU politicians and officials looking at things we have UK politicians and officials looking at things.
Because of Brexit we have extra laws paperwork and officials all looking at extra red-tape, all at extra expense, and providing extra opportunity for corruption.
Seeing as you love your links and attachments so much, I have included a link to a basic calculator below
Let’s say our corruption is made up of 50% from the UK and 50% imported from the EU and we were to leave the EU, what % of corruption would we have left in the UK?
Does leaving the EU result in 50% fewer laws? No.
Does leaving the EU result in 50% less administration? No.
If 50% of UK politicians and officials were corrupt before Brexit, then 50% would be corrupt after Brexit.
I have 4 grown up kids, I also have 9 grandkids ranging from 10 months to 15 yrs.
All of them have displayed gestures of utter petulance in the past when not getting their own way, or if things did not go the way they wanted it to…as they would down to immaturity.
Stuck out bottom lips, displays of utter anger, stamping of feet, screaming and crying, constantly complaining…the whole package from all of them.
Eventually some of them grew up to accept you can not always get what you want, and eventually accepted it and just got on with it.
NONE of them displayed these traits as often, or for as long a period of time as Franglais and his Brexit.
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We were talking about EU corruption not UK corruption, but you knew that.
Let’s take your 50% figure for UK corruption and call it 50% EU corruption too (you did state that every organisation had a level of corruption after all). If we give the mythical 50% a numerical figure of, say, 100. That’s 100 corrupt politicians from the UK and 100 corrupt politicians from the EU, with me so far?
We then remove ourselves from the EU and are therefore left with 100 corrupt politicians as opposed to 200 corrupt politicians in total.
Basic maths.
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Even you can’t spin your way out of this one by disputing basic maths. No links are going to save you here I’m afraid.
The 50%v was suggested by @Newlion, but I am happy to keep that as an example.
50% corrupt MPs and officials before Brexit, and after Brexit. So no difference in proportions.
It doesn’t really matter if we have 100 or 200 hundred MPs. If laws are made by 50% corrupt MPs, then it makes no difference to the integrity of those laws.
Do we have fewer politicians and officials now we are out of the EU?
We certainly have more customs officials and clerks, who all cost us more , be they honest or corrupt.
Do we have fewer boffins researching for rules and standards on (for instance) electric car charging?
We can accept the EU standards, or employ more boffins, duplicating the EU research and setting up an expensive nich standard for our small market.
More expense in Gov personnel.
No it wasn’t. You in your conversation with Moaster further up agreed that there was similar corruption in both the UK and the EU. I’ve just gone from there with my analogy.
Yes I did agree that were comparable levels of corruption in both systems, and you first suggested the 50% figure.
more twists and turns than a hen party conga line and more deflection than a game of table football! Genius.
He’s just GOT to win trivial arguments mate, that only he sees as important.
I’m waiting for the day he says…
‘‘Ya know what, I may have been wrong about that’’.
Instead he will argue the most trivial point to the last breath, digging a 'kin big hole for himself.
With a bit of luck one day he may even fall in.
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Classic Franglais dodge tactics. First of all pretending you don’t know what was initially meant, to then changing the direction of conversation because you had been backed into a corner with no way out and you knew it. Rather than just admit that you got the maths part of this argument wrong, you have now deflected in your last few posts to banging on about Brexit, which wasn’t what was initially being discussed here.
I have to say, although I’m not suprised, the way that you have to win everything and have the last word is sad and pathetic. My kids who are 3 and 6 show more maturity than you and they don’t know any better at their age.
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