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You have to have claimed dole in the last few years to know what it’s like - signing on 40 years ago was a lot different. And signing on when you’re a teenager is a lot different to signing on as an adult with a mortgage. Think about it.
Oh and can you tell me where you got your evidence for there being “millions” of people living like Kings on £85 a week? Because it sounds like you pulled it from your bottom.
JeffA:
^^
You have to have claimed dole in the last few years to know what it’s like - signing on 40 years ago was a lot different. And signing on when you’re a teenager is a lot different to signing on as an adult with a mortgage. Think about it.Oh and can you tell me where you got your evidence for there being “millions” of people living like Kings on £85 a week? Because it sounds like you pulled it from your bottom.
I don’t know your circumstances or what happened to you but you are clearly very bitter about it all and are living in denial about the mass benefit fraud going on out there in non JeffA world.
As for the millions you mention that I quoted, I have already explained my reasoning for coming up with that figure. So again, I spent 5 years seeing the houses these people live in and their lifestyle/belongings etc they have. This was in a 30/40 mile radius so my sample size is based on scaling that up UK wide. These people aren’t earning just £85 a week believe me. This info comes from my own eyes and not Karen on Facebook or Bob down the pub.
You keep putting your fingers in your ears and going la la la la la la if you want, the vast majority of us out there don’t have our heads in the sand and can see what’s going on.
tmcassett:
JeffA:
^^
You have to have claimed dole in the last few years to know what it’s like - signing on 40 years ago was a lot different. And signing on when you’re a teenager is a lot different to signing on as an adult with a mortgage. Think about it.Oh and can you tell me where you got your evidence for there being “millions” of people living like Kings on £85 a week? Because it sounds like you pulled it from your bottom.
I don’t know your circumstances or what happened to you but you are clearly very bitter about it all and are living in denial about the mass benefit fraud going on out there in non JeffA world.
As for the millions you mention that I quoted, I have already explained my reasoning for coming up with that figure. So again, I spent 5 years seeing the houses these people live in and their lifestyle/belongings etc they have. This was in a 30/40 mile radius so my sample size is based on scaling that up UK wide. These people aren’t earning just £85 a week believe me. This info comes from my own eyes and not Karen on Facebook or Bob down the pub.
You keep putting your fingers in your ears and going la la la la la la if you want, the vast majority of us out there don’t have our heads in the sand and can see what’s going on.
Who are you when you’re at home? King CurtainTwitcher? Is it from bitterness?
robroy:
tmcassett:
JeffA:
You say that because of that one imaginary scrounger everyone else who loses their job has to be punished. Can you see how silly that is?Wow, you really are naïve and deluded aren’t you! “One” imaginary scrounger … yeah, lets just pretend the millions of people who “choose” benefits as a career choice don’t exist.
No reply to me from Jeff either after I posted my REALITY check to him.
He must be awy reading the Labour manifesto for an answer…or in the pub spending his famous 85 quid.
Heaven forfend!
Give me a minute to reply - I’m doing 14 hours.
JeffA:
tmcassett:
JeffA:
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You have to have claimed dole in the last few years to know what it’s like - signing on 40 years ago was a lot different. And signing on when you’re a teenager is a lot different to signing on as an adult with a mortgage. Think about it.Oh and can you tell me where you got your evidence for there being “millions” of people living like Kings on £85 a week? Because it sounds like you pulled it from your bottom.
I don’t know your circumstances or what happened to you but you are clearly very bitter about it all and are living in denial about the mass benefit fraud going on out there in non JeffA world.
As for the millions you mention that I quoted, I have already explained my reasoning for coming up with that figure. So again, I spent 5 years seeing the houses these people live in and their lifestyle/belongings etc they have. This was in a 30/40 mile radius so my sample size is based on scaling that up UK wide. These people aren’t earning just £85 a week believe me. This info comes from my own eyes and not Karen on Facebook or Bob down the pub.
You keep putting your fingers in your ears and going la la la la la la if you want, the vast majority of us out there don’t have our heads in the sand and can see what’s going on.
Who are you when you’re at home? King CurtainTwitcher?
What’s the relevance of your reply to what I said?
Conviently ignoring another first hand example again!
JeffA:
robroy:
tmcassett:
JeffA:
You say that because of that one imaginary scrounger everyone else who loses their job has to be punished. Can you see how silly that is?Wow, you really are naïve and deluded aren’t you! “One” imaginary scrounger … yeah, lets just pretend the millions of people who “choose” benefits as a career choice don’t exist.
No reply to me from Jeff either after I posted my REALITY check to him.
He must be awy reading the Labour manifesto for an answer…or in the pub spending his famous 85 quid.Heaven forfend!
Give me a minute to reply - I’m doing 14 hours.
You know what mate?
Maybe not bother, I can guess what the reply will be,.and you’re wearing me down now anyway tbh.
Nice to see you’re keeping the economy rolling on yer 14 hours anyway…all those ‘85 quids’ 
to pay out.
What I will say is I’ve underestimated some of these long term 'lifestyle dole types…they are master economists.
They should be running the country with the way they manage their money.
Latest designer labelled sportswear including top notch trainers, (the irony sportswear while being accessorised wuth the obligatory walking stick ) full Sky tv package, 6 kids all running around in same designer gear, absolute loyal regulars at Wetherspoons at weekends, ordering off the app with their latest I phone, outside every 2 mins for their heavy smoking habits…and still managing to pay their rent and feed all of themselves …AND…all on 85 QUID…apparentlly.
How tf are they doing this?
The chancellor should be calling in these guys as economic consultants. 
For the record I have just described a local family of long term habitual scroungers in my area that I KNOW…not somebody out of Jeff’s newspaper that I dont. 
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With the mention of the obligatory walking stick, if anyone just sat down in any town centre anywhere in the country for 30 minutes just to count how many people hobble past on one of two walking sticks or are using a mobility scooter, I see a lot that have pimped up their ride and added all types of naff stuff on it, as in extra long and wide wing mirrors, bicycle horns, cheap tat and number plates.
This got me thinking into how unfit some residents of the country are, I saw over weight middle aged men with their legs wrapped in bandages with seepage of fluid coming from them, have they self inflicted this themselves from abusing their bodies by excessive drinking,and now are fully dependent on a mobility scooter to get around?
Over weight older women dependent on scooters but puffing away on a chain smoking daily habit of nicotine and love drinking.
As Rob says, go to any pub in the daytime, they are full of people claiming long term sickness, illness, disease and disability but to look at them, there’s not much wrong with them to prevent them not to work.
I actually ask them too.
It’s the system that they have mastered and manipulated to their advantage by saying the right things on their health assessment meeting with the DWP, I have noticed more people that need full time carers that go in the pub all day, some have two or three carers for one person, that must cost a fortune, and once again, the person in care is perfectly capable of working but chooses to drink and smoke all day at the pub.
robroy:
What I will say is I’ve underestimated some of these long term 'lifestyle dole types…they are master economists.
They should be running the country with the way they manage their money.
Latest designer labelled sportswear including top notch trainers, (the irony sportswear while being accessorised wuth the obligatory walking stick
How tf are they doing this?
The chancellor should be calling in these guys as economic consultants.For the record I have just described a local family of long term habitual scroungers in my area that I KNOW…not somebody out of Jeff’s newspaper that I dont.
So you think people who just lose their job and get normal benefits are somehow mysteriously missing out on the benefits only given to shirkers? None of them has the knowledge to claim these mysterious benefits of which you speak? To open a benefits page and read what you’re entitled to? That’s something only the shirkers know how to do?
I looked at everything I could claim - there was no full sky tv package on it.
Bone Shaker:
With the mention of the obligatory walking stick, if anyone just sat down in any town centre anywhere in the country for 30 minutes just to count how many people hobble past on one of two walking sticks or are using a mobility scooter, I see a lot that have pimped up their ride and added all types of naff stuff on it, as in extra long and wide wing mirrors, bicycle horns, cheap tat and number plates.This got me thinking into how unfit some residents of the country are, I saw over weight middle aged men with their legs wrapped in bandages with seepage of fluid coming from them, have they self inflicted this themselves from abusing their bodies by excessive drinking,and now are fully dependent on a mobility scooter to get around?
Over weight older women dependent on scooters but puffing away on a chain smoking daily habit of nicotine and love drinking.
As Rob says, go to any pub in the daytime, they are full of people claiming long term sickness, illness, disease and disability but to look at them, there’s not much wrong with them to prevent them not to work.
I actually ask them too.
It’s the system that they have mastered and manipulated to their advantage by saying the right things on their health assessment meeting with the DWP, I have noticed more people that need full time carers that go in the pub all day, some have two or three carers for one person, that must cost a fortune, and once again, the person in care is perfectly capable of working but chooses to drink and smoke all day at the pub.
Nearly 90 people a month are dying after being declared fit for work, according to new data that has prompted campaigners and Labour leadership contenders to call for an overhaul of the government’s welfare regime.
Statistics released by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) revealed that during the period December 2011 and February 2014 2,380 people died after their claim for employment and support allowance (ESA) ended because a work capability assessment (WCA) found they were found fit for work.
JeffA:
Bone Shaker:
With the mention of the obligatory walking stick, if anyone just sat down in any town centre anywhere in the country for 30 minutes just to count how many people hobble past on one of two walking sticks or are using a mobility scooter, I see a lot that have pimped up their ride and added all types of naff stuff on it, as in extra long and wide wing mirrors, bicycle horns, cheap tat and number plates.This got me thinking into how unfit some residents of the country are, I saw over weight middle aged men with their legs wrapped in bandages with seepage of fluid coming from them, have they self inflicted this themselves from abusing their bodies by excessive drinking,and now are fully dependent on a mobility scooter to get around?
Over weight older women dependent on scooters but puffing away on a chain smoking daily habit of nicotine and love drinking.
As Rob says, go to any pub in the daytime, they are full of people claiming long term sickness, illness, disease and disability but to look at them, there’s not much wrong with them to prevent them not to work.
I actually ask them too.
It’s the system that they have mastered and manipulated to their advantage by saying the right things on their health assessment meeting with the DWP, I have noticed more people that need full time carers that go in the pub all day, some have two or three carers for one person, that must cost a fortune, and once again, the person in care is perfectly capable of working but chooses to drink and smoke all day at the pub.
Nearly 90 people a month are dying after being declared fit for work, according to new data that has prompted campaigners and Labour leadership contenders to call for an overhaul of the government’s welfare regime.
Statistics released by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) revealed that during the period December 2011 and February 2014 2,380 people died after their claim for employment and support allowance (ESA) ended because a work capability assessment (WCA) found they were found fit for work.
You keep repeating all the same cack.
I’ve given you an example of a family who are well known for being scroungers and their lifestyle,.I’d bet everybody on here maybe apart from you know of a similar type family.
So how are they achieving and maintaining their lifestyle on your 85 quid, or are you still telling us these types do not exist, or that I am making it up?
That’s the first time I’ve mentioned people dropping dead after being declared fit for work. So here I’m giving you verifiable cases of people dropping dead a week after being declared “fit for work” and you just turn away and say “There’s millions earning a fortune” - no evidence, no corroboration just “I heard tell of a family in town who live like Kings on the dole”. Can you see why it’s so difficult to believe you? There’s a bloke half-dead from cancer and he’s being thrown off the dole but according to you it’s actually really, really easy to claim dole you arn’t entitled to. Tell me why the bloke with cancer was thrown off then?
It’s like tmcassett sat at the curtains all day looking at people walking past and saying “He hasn’t worked since 1987 and he’s got new trainers on”. What do you know about where this guy gets his money? You’re just guessing arn’t you? One things for sure if it includes a full sky tv package - it’s not coming from the dole.
robroy:
JeffA:
Bone Shaker:
I’ve given you an example of a family who are well known for being scroungers and their lifestyle,.I’d bet everybody on here maybe apart from you know of a similar type family.
So how are they achieving and maintaining their lifestyle on your 85 quid, or are you still telling us these types do not exist, or that I am making it up?
And he has given you an example of 90 people per month snuffing it after being found fit for work. There have been so many over the top examples, people declared fit when they are already dead, others lying in hospital in comas declared fit.
People dying of cancer sanctioned because they didn’t die within 6 months.
I know a chap who has never worked a single day in his life. He is in his 50’s now. He is the local drug dealer. He also has never claimed a single benefit and has used his cash to buy his house funneling the cash through various schemes to clean it.
I also know another who also hasn’t worked in his life either, gets everything going, free car, free rent, free food…the leech that he is…Oh he is paralyised from the neck down and moves around using a wheelchair controlled with his mouth.
If people have or seem to have “everything” while on benefits then they are either very sick/disabled and would gladly swap sitting in a seat for 10+ hours a day shouting at white vans. If they are not in that category then they are either on the fiddle, working on the side or are doing it using plastic.
Now my real job is electrician…that’s what I do for a living, I have done a wee bit of EU driving work for my in laws which is why I came here to see how you all lived, tips, tricks etc.
As an electrician I have seen most of the stereotypes mentioned. I can safely say I would NEVER swap with any of them. They don’t get to do what I do. Their life is 365 x the same thing. I don’t even give them a second thought.
I very nearly paid to go full class 1 the other year and then I saw the rates lol. As evidenced on this forum there are a few really nice contracts around but I think I may be plodding along doing my 3x days a week for the time being until my health gives out entirely. I just don’t get the envy of others…and it is only ever envy. Nobody actually has the balls to call them out, tell them your reporting them…nope just curtain twitching finger wagging envy. That anger will kill you in the end.
We are both (now 3 of us apparentlly ) talking about 2 different ends of the spectrum in the context of those on benefits.
You are talking about genuine people and people who are genuinely ill, and/or are unfit to work.
Difference is I accept your examples,.they are undoubtedly true, so why can you not take your blinkers off and accept my examples (personal example about myself, and the local well known family of scroungers) are true…
So Jeff…why tf would I make both or either up ffs?? …
My ex girlfriend’s best mate has a five bedroom house on a council estate, she has never worked a day in her life and has six children, each child was sired by a different father from one night stands while out clubbing and drinking and openly admitted having ■■■■■■■■■■■ in public places.
She doesn’t know the names of the fathers, and when the DWP threatened her with the mere hint of getting a job she pops out another sprog so her benefits claim remains live.
If you research the approximate 30 things anymore can claim for , my estimation is she is on £850 per week of benefits.
It doesn’t pay to find work.
Another lady who has never worked has a five bedroom house and is a professional benefit rat , she has made a full time career out of blagging back and depression problems, and admitted she just cries at the doctors to keep up the charade.
Her husband did full time Dominoes pizza deliveries but got caught as was on JSA, they can find out from the NI and tax from employers.
My father had heart surgery and she suggested ways to cheat the system as she gets a free car when there’s nothing wrong with her.
robroy:
You keep repeating all the same cack.
I’ve given you an example of a family who are well known for being scroungers and their lifestyle,.I’d bet everybody on here maybe apart from you know of a similar type family.
So how are they achieving and maintaining their lifestyle on your 85 quid, or are you still telling us these types do not exist, or that I am making it up?
I’d give up if I was you mate. You’ve told him of your exact circumstances you found yourself in, I’ve told him on more than one occasion I saw it first hand daily for 5 years in a previous job, but he goes oddly quiet when presented with real life examples, much easier to just accuse us getting our info 3rd hand from the “local rag” or “social media”. Or in my case accused me of being a curtain twitcher.
I have no idea the circumstances he found himself in but it’s clearly left him a very bitter man and largely in denial.
Bone Shaker:
My ex girlfriend’s best mate has a five bedroom house on a council estate, she has never worked a day in her life and has six children, each child was sired by a different father from one night stands while out clubbing and drinking and openly admitted having ■■■■■■■■■■■ in public places.She doesn’t know the names of the fathers, and when the DWP threatened her with the mere hint of getting a job she pops out another sprog so her benefits claim remains live.
If you research the approximate 30 things anymore can claim for , my estimation is she is on £850 per week of benefits.
It doesn’t pay to find work.
Yeah I know there’s these one in a million alleged cases but even if the DWP own investigation says fraud is very small. And as we’ve already said you can’t base a system on the very worst member. It’s like getting a fat bloke who smokes and then saying lets close down health care for everyone because of the one fat bloke.
£850? Again it’s “your guesstimation”. You get £24 for your first sprog then £15 for each one after. So if she has 5 kids all under 16 she gets £84. She gets £85 universal credit. That’s £169.
You say she’s got another £681 to come? How?
tmcassett:
robroy:
You keep repeating all the same cack.
I’ve given you an example of a family who are well known for being scroungers and their lifestyle,.I’d bet everybody on here maybe apart from you know of a similar type family.
So how are they achieving and maintaining their lifestyle on your 85 quid, or are you still telling us these types do not exist, or that I am making it up?I’d give up if I was you mate. You’ve told him of your exact circumstances you found yourself in, I’ve told him on more than one occasion I saw it first hand daily for 5 years in a previous job, but he goes oddly quiet when presented with real life examples, much easier to just accuse us getting our info 3rd hand from the “local rag” or “social media”. Or in my case accused me of being a curtain twitcher.
I have no idea the circumstances he found himself in but it’s clearly left him a very bitter man and largely in denial.
You told me on one occasion you knew of “millions” of cases. You saw all these from behind the curtain in your bedroom?
Can’t you see the only “evidence” you’ve provided is anecdotal?
JeffA:
You say she’s got another £681 to come? How?
I can virtually guarantee that most, if not all the aforementioned kids have been diagnosed with ADHT or whatever todays buzzword is. That’s where your extra comes from.
Just because you personally didn’t have a clue about working the system doesn’t mean that the professionals don’t.
In fairness to you, I wouldn’t have a clue either, so there’s no shame in that.