Looks like another Labour (by name only) government is on it’s way next time as well.
I would love to think they will be a whole different ball game and come in realising their past mistakes, and at the same time sort out the mess left by the current crew.
Sort out the underclass who refuse to work , sort out the strain on the economy by foreign freeloaders, that would be a good start.
Wont be holding my breath.
tmcassett:
JeffA:
So you think everybody who receives dole money is a scrounger that needs exterminating? What would you take benefits down to? £20 a month? Would that be ok?Did I say that? There are people who are in “genuine” need of benefits, be it through illness, loss of employment for whatever reason, mental health conditions. I have absolutely no problem helping these people. I also think these people should be helped with considerably more than £85 a week. Sadly genuine claimants get lumped in the same bracket as the millions of Jeremy Kyle generation scroungers I’ve already referred to in previous posts on this thread.
But I’ve told you this once already - you can’t have one system for the “scroungers” and one for everyone else. Can’t happen. So you just have one system for everyone. You say that because of that one imaginary scrounger everyone else who loses their job has to be punished. Can you see how silly that is?
robroy:
Looks like another Labour (by name only) government is on it’s way next time as well.
I would love to think they will be a whole different ball game and come in realising their past mistakes, and at the same time sort out the mess left by the current crew.
Sort out the underclass who refuse to work , sort out the strain on the economy by foreign freeloaders, that would be a good start.
Wont be holding my breath.
Best way of making people work is paying a living wage.
No use thinking everyone is going to work when pay isn’t enough to live on. If going to work means I lose a flat and have to pay childcare which I can’t afford then who in their right mind would go to work? You’d have to be pretty stupid wouldn’t you?
robroy:
tmcassett:
JeffA:
So you think everybody who receives dole money is a scrounger that needs exterminating? What would you take benefits down to? £20 a month? Would that be ok?Did I say that? There are people who are in “genuine” need of benefits, be it through illness, loss of employment for whatever reason, mental health conditions. I have absolutely no problem helping these people. I also think these people should be helped with considerably more than £85 a week. Sadly genuine claimants get lumped in the same bracket as the millions of Jeremy Kyke generation scroungers I’ve already referred to in previous posts on this thread.
I’ve said before on here,.despite Jefffs obsessive 85quid mantra, …In a previous life with 4 kids at home and living in a rented house at the time, and made bankrupt I could have been quids in… and was for a few weeks, getting everything paid for, but the lifestyle was not for me…how stupid was I eh?
I would imagine when Jeff experienced life on the dole and his 85 quid .he was young free and single with no dependants nor commitments… but he is being very naive to actually believe that there are no people out there who regularly work the system and have it sussed.
Benefits are there as a help not an alternative lifestyle.
Hid denial is up there with the lefty socialist opinion that all male young foreign imported trash walkig our streets are genuine and bona fide asylum seekers.
But actually being on the dole gives you a better idea of what you get than hearing stories in the daily mail. You do get child benefit - £24 a week for your first and £16 a week for the rest so that would give you a bit more money but it doesn’t sound too tempting to me. Can’t see me going down the boozer and bragging “I get £15 a week to feed a clothe a kid - I’m rich I tell you, RICH!”
Ffs man, you criticise people for basing their opinions on hearsay then go on to do the same yourself.
I am taking from actual self experience here not what I read in some ■■■■ newspaper you choose to make your point…!!
I was on my arse, I lost my house, I had a wife and 4 small children to provide for, there were no decent jobs in ny area at that time (the reason that I went for (and got) jobs based in at first Essex, then Holland and Belgium but basing my allocated truck at home.
Prior to that signed on, got rent free school meals,.a wage, poll tax or whatever tf they called it then, electricity …the full ■■■■ monty and then some
,.I was better off not working ffs because I somehow inadvertently fitted the criteria and profile at that time for getting every ■■■■ thing.paid for…and guess what?
No guilt no shame because the same govt I was ‘scrounging’ off (vat dept) took my house when they could have ( but refused to) give me time to pay…so my mantra at the time was …■■■■ em. 
I’m alright Jack.
On reflection I only wish I had done it longer rather than take up the bloody good job offer I had from a old contact in Essex…best job ever btw.
Now Jeff if you only got your famous 85 quid,.that’s your look out, it has obviously left a bitter taste in your gob…but my experience is much much different.
Jeez man, it’s like pulling teeth. 
Rob, the job with the truck based at home, was that a carpet haulage firm in Belgium or Holland whose name escapes me, maybe it was Brit European with the Moffet attached and tip the whole load yourself all over the UK?
I applied for it and remember the guy being very pleasant and a good manager according to reviews of him.
JeffA:
robroy:
Looks like another Labour (by name only) government is on it’s way next time as well.
I would love to think they will be a whole different ball game and come in realising their past mistakes, and at the same time sort out the mess left by the current crew.
Sort out the underclass who refuse to work , sort out the strain on the economy by foreign freeloaders, that would be a good start.
Wont be holding my breath.Best way of making people work is paying a living wage.
No use thinking everyone is going to work when pay isn’t enough to live on. If going to work means I lose a flat and have to pay childcare which I can’t afford then who in their right mind would go to work? You’d have to be pretty stupid wouldn’t you?
How much would you pay for a living wage? How much would you pay people on benefits?
Let’s be honest, most pay is enough for most people to live on. People always want more though lol.
People have always been skint. I am now but I’m happy 
. Winds me up folk complaining about wages never being enough and crawling over others just to get some overtime. All for some financed car, financed fancy holidays, ridiculous new mortgages that you can’t afford anyway. Living beyond their means.
Sorry drifting slightly off topic there.
Bone Shaker:
Rob, the job with the truck based at home, was that a carpet haulage firm in Belgium or Holland whose name escapes me, maybe it was Brit European with the Moffet attached and tip the whole load yourself all over the UK?I applied for it and remember the guy being very pleasant and a good manager according to reviews of him.
Yep…that was one of them.
TM was Noel Caslo,.a nice bloke yeah…, in fact they all were nice people apart from maybe one, some guy who looked like a child who’s name escapes me…the sort of guy who had not been punched enough in his life. 
I used to purposely just not take him serious just to wind him up.
I used to do a lot of Ireland work.
Either load up in B and/or Lux, or collect loaded trailer from depot.
Ship out from Zeeby to Rosyth, do drops down towards Stranraer, ferry to.Belfast ,.then multi drops right down NI to Eire,…pick up Rosslare ferry,.over to Fishguard,.to Dover to Calais,.back to Zeeby to start over again…great job.
Noel, that’s the guy, I was on holiday in Majorca and emailed an Irish firm, to my surprise they responded very quickly and asked if I could go over the hours to get to a port,of which I immediately thought they would be pushing me to run bent all the time and not just to catch a ferry.
JeffA:
You say that because of that one imaginary scrounger everyone else who loses their job has to be punished. Can you see how silly that is?
Wow, you really are naïve and deluded aren’t you! “One” imaginary scrounger … yeah, lets just pretend the millions of people who “choose” benefits as a career choice don’t exist.
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Disabled from the neck down - Go get a job as a scarecrow.
Nothing like stealing lines from a Kevin Bridges stand up routine from about 15 years ago!
tmcassett:
JeffA:
You say that because of that one imaginary scrounger everyone else who loses their job has to be punished. Can you see how silly that is?Wow, you really are naïve and deluded aren’t you! “One” imaginary scrounger … yeah, lets just pretend the millions of people who “choose” benefits as a career choice don’t exist.
No reply to me from Jeff either after I posted my REALITY check to him.
He must be awy reading the Labour manifesto for an answer…or in the pub spending his famous 85 quid.
robroy:
tmcassett:
JeffA:
You say that because of that one imaginary scrounger everyone else who loses their job has to be punished. Can you see how silly that is?Wow, you really are naïve and deluded aren’t you! “One” imaginary scrounger … yeah, lets just pretend the millions of people who “choose” benefits as a career choice don’t exist.
No reply to me from Jeff either after I posted my REALITY check to him.
He must be awy reading the Labour manifesto for an answer…or in the pub spending his famous 85 quid.
He’s probably down on the Kent coast helping those poor souls after escaping the inhumane warzones they’ve all come from.
tmcassett:
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Disabled from the neck down - Go get a job as a scarecrow.Nothing like stealing lines from a Kevin Bridges stand up routine from about 15 years ago!
I didn’t know you could count…oops no you can’t. lol. Is that the best you could actually articulate as a counter argument? lol Get back to your £15 an hour lad…some of us have flat screen TV’s to watch. Imagine getting shafted by successive governments of all colours and then the only thing that upsets you are people on sickness benefits lol.
sad thing is people have been pointing out who the real enemy of the working class are for over 100 years and yet there are STILL the easily fooled who will still blame the sick, the disabled, the forigner, the BBC, The Labour Party, the unions…anyone except those who are doing the shafting. I blame the women…stealing all our jobs lol
robroy:
Ffs man, you criticise people for basing their opinions on hearsay then go on to do the same yourself.
I am taking from actual self experience here not what I read in some [zb] newspaper you choose to make your point…!!I was on my arse, I lost my house, I had a wife and 4 small children to provide for, there were no decent jobs in ny area at that time (the reason that I went for (and got) jobs based in at first Essex, then Holland and Belgium but basing my allocated truck at home.
Prior to that signed on, got rent free school meals,.a wage, poll tax or whatever tf they called it then, electricity …the full [zb] monty and then some
,.I was better off not working ffs because I somehow inadvertently fitted the criteria and profile at that time for getting every [zb] thing.paid for…and guess what?
No guilt no shame because the same govt I was ‘scrounging’ off (vat dept) took my house when they could have ( but refused to) give me time to pay…so my mantra at the time was …[zb] em.On reflection I only wish I had done it longer rather than take up the bloody good job offer I had from a old contact in Essex…best job ever btw.
Now Jeff if you only got your famous 85 quid,.that’s your look out, it has obviously left a bitter taste in your gob…but my experience is much much different.
Jeez man, it’s like pulling teeth.
The dole paid your electricity bill? You sure? Is this back in the 80s? You got “a wage”? You mean the £57 a week it was then? Are you sure it didn’t just seem like a lot because you were 17 and living at home?
All I can say is I’ve claimed dole - I got £85 and council tax. That was it. This was as a grown man with a mortgage to pay. I didn’t get anything for the mortgage. And don’t say “I could’ve claimed more” - no I couldn’t. I looked into it. As you do when you’re on £85 a week and completely destitute within a month. Like I say - the next time you see your mate who’se never had as much money being on the dole - nail him down to what cash he gets.
md1987:
JeffA:
robroy:
Looks like another Labour (by name only) government is on it’s way next time as well.
I would love to think they will be a whole different ball game and come in realising their past mistakes, and at the same time sort out the mess left by the current crew.
Sort out the underclass who refuse to work , sort out the strain on the economy by foreign freeloaders, that would be a good start.
Wont be holding my breath.Best way of making people work is paying a living wage.
No use thinking everyone is going to work when pay isn’t enough to live on. If going to work means I lose a flat and have to pay childcare which I can’t afford then who in their right mind would go to work? You’d have to be pretty stupid wouldn’t you?
How much would you pay for a living wage? How much would you pay people on benefits?
Let’s be honest, most pay is enough for most people to live on. People always want more though lol.
People have always been skint. I am now but I’m happy
Sorry drifting slightly off topic there.
France pay two-thirds of your salary for 6 months as your dole money. How come we get £85? Is it cos there’s so many nubbins saying “£85? It’s too much Sir!!”
I don’t think pay is enough for most people to live on. That’s why you can’t just say “stop benefits and they can work” - cos if they worked a full-time job they still couldn’t pay for the childcare and the rent. So you want them to get a job so they can lose their house?
I think universal basic income is a good idea - then you can do away with the benefits system.
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tmcassett:
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Disabled from the neck down - Go get a job as a scarecrow.Nothing like stealing lines from a Kevin Bridges stand up routine from about 15 years ago!
I didn’t know you could count…oops no you can’t. lol. Is that the best you could actually articulate as a counter argument? lol Get back to your £15 an hour lad…some of us have flat screen TV’s to watch. Imagine getting shafted by successive governments of all colours and then the only thing that upsets you are people on sickness benefits lol.
sad thing is people have been pointing out who the real enemy of the working class are for over 100 years and yet there are STILL the easily fooled who will still blame the sick, the disabled, the forigner, the BBC, The Labour Party, the unions…anyone except those who are doing the shafting. I blame the women…stealing all our jobs lol
No, I have made my point on this subject in several posts on this thread alone (mostly to JeffA). I was merely pointing out that you stole a line from a stand up comedian to make a point, probably thinking you were clever and that no-one would know where the original reference came from.
P.S if you want anyone to take your arguments seriously then maybe lose a few of the “lol’s” from your posts, it makes you sound like a 15 year old boy.
JeffA:
robroy:
Ffs man, you criticise people for basing their opinions on hearsay then go on to do the same yourself.
I am taking from actual self experience here not what I read in some [zb] newspaper you choose to make your point…!!I was on my arse, I lost my house, I had a wife and 4 small children to provide for, there were no decent jobs in ny area at that time (the reason that I went for (and got) jobs based in at first Essex, then Holland and Belgium but basing my allocated truck at home.
Prior to that signed on, got rent free school meals,.a wage, poll tax or whatever tf they called it then, electricity …the full [zb] monty and then some
,.I was better off not working ffs because I somehow inadvertently fitted the criteria and profile at that time for getting every [zb] thing.paid for…and guess what?
No guilt no shame because the same govt I was ‘scrounging’ off (vat dept) took my house when they could have ( but refused to) give me time to pay…so my mantra at the time was …[zb] em.On reflection I only wish I had done it longer rather than take up the bloody good job offer I had from a old contact in Essex…best job ever btw.
Now Jeff if you only got your famous 85 quid,.that’s your look out, it has obviously left a bitter taste in your gob…but my experience is much much different.
Jeez man, it’s like pulling teeth.
The dole paid your electricity bill? You sure? Is this back in the 80s? You got “a wage”? You mean the £57 a week it was then? Are you sure it didn’t just seem like a lot because you were 17 and living at home?
All I can say is I’ve claimed dole - I got £85 and council tax. That was it. This was as a grown man with a mortgage to pay. I didn’t get anything for the mortgage. And don’t say “I could’ve claimed more” - no I couldn’t. I looked into it. As you do when you’re on £85 a week and completely destitute within a month. Like I say - the next time you see your mate who’se never had as much money being on the dole - nail him down to what cash he gets.
Jesus, So Rob has actually given you HIS REAL LIFE experience and situation he found himself in, he has listed everything he could have claimed for and was entitled to and yet you still babble on with your £85 a week mantra basically implying it is not true, then accuse him of being 17 and living at home. I actually think you are on a wind up with all this stuff now.