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ROG:
Also - I did not know there was such a thing as a SPLIT 11 hours daily rest - now or ever…

There isn’t, it’s always been at least 12 hours, just the combinations for those 12 hours have changed.

ROG:

bloodoodle:
I think you really need to get on a Novadata tacho course Rog :wink: :smiley:

I can recommend them, they really are very accurate and also train Trainers well too :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

I must be reading it wrong then because it reads to me as though the trainer is saying that a ferry crossing can ONLY be done on a SPLIT daily rest and that the 11 hour daily rest is illegal !!! ■■?
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Looks to me he is saying you cannot split an 11 hour rest, it would be illegal, which is indeed correct. A ferry crossing could be done on a split daily rest, if the hours fit, and it could also be done on a reduced daily rest, if the crossing is long enough, or a regular daily rest, again if the crossing is long enough. If the crossing isn’t long enough, or the hours don’t fit for a split rest, you could also use an interrupted regular daily rest.

ROG:

bloodoodle:
Like I said, advice given unless it’s absolutely correct is best not given at all.
Why not just leave it to Coffee?

Pat

I would do if I thought I was wrong but I cannot see how I am…

Neither can I. I didn’t say you were wrong, I said the trainer wasn’t necessarily wrong. You are simply confused and ignoring other parts of the regulations by fixating on one part.

ROG:
He than went on to say the 11 hr split break on a ferry wasn’t the way to do it as it is now illegal

The word now is surplus to requirements there, and an 11 hour split has never been legal.

ROG:

as it should be 3 and 9hrs only .

for a ferry !!

Why not?

ROG:

  • that is not what the regulation says for ferry crossings

They also don’t say you can’t do it do they? They explain an option for daily rest which is only available when using a train or ferry but that doesn’t mean the other daily rest options available to drivers are excluded when using a ferry.

ROG:

Coffeeholic:
he was correct.

WHY■■?

Why not? If you had actually bothered to read my earlier post you will see I explained how it is possible. But, as usual you are obviously not reading all the posts on teh thread, something which usually leads to confusion for you.

ROG:
The regs make it quite clear that only a REGULAR 11 hours rest can be used on ferry crossings - no split daily rests at all

Only? You sure they make that quite clear? I’ve never seen it say only. It says if you are interrupting the daily rest you can only interrupt a regular daily rest. It does not say you cannot take an uninterrupted daily rest or a reduced daily rest or make use of the split daily rest option when using a ferry. They are all still available to use if the hours are sufficient to meet their various requirements.

You’re doing it again, or should that be still; you are adding stuff into the regulations which are not there.

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MrReliable:
We discussed the 11 hr Ferry crossing rules of 11hrs + movements which I have used in the past.

He said this was no longer in use

Okay, now he’s a trumpet! :stuck_out_tongue: It is still very much in use.

MrReliable:
and the only split rest you can do now is the 3hr and 9hr Split Daily Rest.

That is correct, but that isn’t the same thing as interrupting a regular rest period with a maximum of two movements while using a ferry.

MrReliable:
If this is correct how long has this been in force ?

Three years, since April 2007.

MrReliable:
In August last year the Belgians fined me 300 euro’s for a mode switch error when using the ferry crossing 11hr + movements senario. Just for entering the ferry mode on a digitacho at the wrong time. If the ferry mode is no longer in use how come the fine wasn’t larger for insufficient daily rest ■■?

There is no such thing as Ferry Mode’, you still only have 4 modes on a tacho - Driving, Other Work, POA and Break/Rest. The ferry option on a digi tacho doesn’t put you on ‘Ferry Mode’ it simply marks the printout, and the data on your card, to say why you are interrupting your rest and showing a period of driving and other work.

You are in the port on rest and when it is time to move onto the ferry you select the ferry/train option and select other work. You have gone from rest mode to other work mode, with the ferry/train option explaining why. You will then switch to driving mode as you move and when on the ferry and just before you head upstairs you will select rest mode again. If you are continuing the rest after disembarking you will go from rest mode to other work/driving mode, with the ferry/train option explaining why once more, and back to rest to complete your 11 hours. At no point have you been on ‘Ferry Mode’. You will only press the ferry/train option once for each interruption.

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Article 9

  1. By way of derogation from Article 8, where a driver
    accompanies a vehicle which is transported by ferry or train,
    and takes a regular daily rest period, that period may be
    interrupted not more than twice by other activities not
    exceeding one hour in total. During that regular daily rest
    period the driver shall have access to a bunk or couchette.

I think I have it now…
Because it does not say anything about a reduced daily rest then one may be taken provided the 9 hour part (of 3 + 9) is not broken in any way which differes from the 11 hour daily rest where any part can be interrupted twice.

He than went on to say the 11 hr split break on a ferry wasn’t the way to do it as it is now illegal as it should be 3 and 9hrs only .

The only 11 hours mentioned in the regs is the 11 hour daily rest so when the trainer mentioned 11 hours which cannot be split I thought he was referring to 11 hours which could not be interrupted.

Either the trainer got the 11 hours wrong or the split/interruped bit wrong

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ROG:

Article 9

  1. By way of derogation from Article 8, where a driver
    accompanies a vehicle which is transported by ferry or train,
    and takes a regular daily rest period, that period may be
    interrupted not more than twice by other activities not
    exceeding one hour in total. During that regular daily rest
    period the driver shall have access to a bunk or couchette.

I think I have it now…

It’s a [zb]ing miricale!!!

ROG:
Because it does not say anything about a reduced daily rest then one may be taken provided the 9 hour part (of 3 + 9) is not broken in any way which differes from the 11 hour daily rest where any part can be interrupted twice.

Exactly, you’ve quoted the bit about interrupted rest but while you can only use that while on a ferry or train it doesn’t mean you can’t use one of the other three types of daily rest available to drivers.

ROG:

He than went on to say the 11 hr split break on a ferry wasn’t the way to do it as it is now illegal as it should be 3 and 9hrs only .

The only 11 hours mentioned in the regs is the 11 hour daily rest so when the trainer mentioned 11 hours which cannot be split I thought he was referring to 11 hours which could not be interrupted.

So you were reading stuff that wasn’t there eh? What a surprise. :wink:

ROG:
Either the trainer got the 11 hours wrong or the split/interruped bit wrong

No, he is reported as saying

the 11 hr split break on a ferry wasn’t the way to do it as it is now illegal as it should be 3 and 9hrs only .

That is correct. If you are using the split rest option when using a ferry, as oppose to interrupting the rest, you can not split an 11. The only thing slightly wrong there is the word now, everything else is true.