did my first so called 7hrs on sat and the boss paid for everything…
0800 coffe/tea
0830 start
1000 break
1015 start again
1200 finished followed by a full dinner (fish chips mushy peas) for me
1245 boss buys everyone a beer then we sat and watched the chelsea v man u game 
alun:
did my first so called 7hrs on sat and the boss paid for everything…
0800 coffe/tea
0830 start - Discussion on the PM footy match??
1000 break
1015 start again - More discussion on the PM footy match??
1200 finished followed by a full dinner (fish chips mushy peas) for me
1245 boss buys everyone a beer then we sat and watched the chelsea v man u game
Well, let’s hope no-one from JAUPT is reading this forum 
On second thoughts…
Pat
alun:
did my first so called 7hrs on sat and the boss paid for everything…
0800 coffe/tea
0830 start
1000 break
1015 start again
1200 finished followed by a full dinner (fish chips mushy peas) for me
1245 boss buys everyone a beer then we sat and watched the chelsea v man u game
Typical in the transport game. Job’s supposed to take 7 hours and someone carves it up and does it in 3.5. 
I’ve just done the tachograph / wtd part of this course this morning, My employer paid for the course while I attended without pay.
It seems fair to me, there was 7 drivers from our firm, our employer also provided nibbles and drinks. 
I learnt a couple of things too. 
ROG:
Trev_H:
Theres no exam as such to pass or fail, its just to say you’ve attended the required time of training.
The one question that cannot be answered -
How many attending that course can be certain that they have assimilated the knowledge correctly ?And one other point - how do we KNOW that the info being given by the trainer is correct when the governing body (JAUPT) does not check the validity of the course content
Rog,
Each JAUPT approved centre must pay £252 and submit each seven hour syllabus to JAUPT to be assessed and passed before it is unleashed to Drivers. Add to this amount the fee to be an approved training centre for five years and I can’t see how this thing is going to be thrown out six months before due date.
Did my first seven hours today and was told that I needed to take a 30 minute break after 6 hrs as part of the WTD !!! I must be doing it all wrong !!!
MrReliable:
Each JAUPT approved centre must pay £252 and submit each seven hour syllabus to JAUPT to be assessed and passed before it is unleashed to Drivers
Assessed only to ensure it fits their criteria and not the actual content - daft aint it.
MrReliable:
Did my first seven hours today and was told that I needed to take a 30 minute break after 6 hrs as part of the WTD !!!
Yet another one - I reckon all these ‘approved’ trainers must come from the same pool
Rog,
Here’s another one for you :
Split daily rest and split daily rest if using a ferry ?
The same trainer told us that Daily rest can only be split by taking a 3 hr break and then a ninehour break. He than went on to say the 11 hr split break on a ferry wasn’t the way to do it as it is now illegal as it should be 3 and 9hrs only . He used a presentation off of a laptop which was provided to him by Novadata.
I was amused by the other guy’s on the course who were “going straight into the office” on monday morning with their new found knowledge. I think there could be trouble ahead !!!
MrReliable:
Rog,
Here’s another one for you :
Split daily rest and split daily rest if using a ferry ?The same trainer told us that Daily rest can only be split by taking a 3 hr break and then a ninehour break. He than went on to say the 11 hr split break on a ferry wasn’t the way to do it as it is now illegal as it should be 3 and 9hrs only . He used a presentation off of a laptop which was provided to him by Novadata.
I was amused by the other guy’s on the course who were “going straight into the office” on monday morning with their new found knowledge. I think there could be trouble ahead !!!
He was right in this 
Because you mix 2 things up in the law:
1st split rest: if you are prepared to increase the daily rest from 11 hours to 12 hours you can split it.
The split daily rest has to be a period of at least 3 hours followed by a period of at least 9 hours. (this could be convinient if you know that you have to wait for several hours, you have you tacho at rest at that point, you only need a 9 hour break after that )
2nd; getting on train or ferry: if daily rest is at least 11 hours, it can be broken by EITHER go on or of an ferry, That is it can be broken once or twice, once to get on, once to get off.
The total duration of the splits added togehter cannot be more than one hour
The time used must be added to the daily rest (e.g. if you use 1 hour you need a total of 12 hours break)
The othe thing what they will tell you is that if you reduce your weekly rest, your compensation has to be taken after 9 hours rest, so if you take an 24 hours weekend break your compensation must be before the end of the third week 9 + 21+ 45hrs = 75hours, how many of you do that??
No split daily rest on a ferry crossing.
The rest on a ferry crossing must TOTAL 11 hours but can be INTERRUPTED twice
MrReliable:
The same trainer told us that Daily rest can only be split by taking a 3 hr break and then a ninehour break. He than went on to say the 11 hr split break on a ferry wasn’t the way to do it as it is now illegal as it should be 3 and 9hrs only .
I wonder what coffeeholic would call that trainer
ROG:
No split daily rest on a ferry crossing.
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ROG:
MrReliable:
The same trainer told us that Daily rest can only be split by taking a 3 hr break and then a ninehour break. He than went on to say the 11 hr split break on a ferry wasn’t the way to do it as it is now illegal as it should be 3 and 9hrs only .I wonder what coffeeholic would call that trainer
Nothing, he was correct. An 11 hour split rest would be indeed be illegal and you would still require a 3 and a 9 hours with say 3 on shore before boarding and 9 after. Or 3 on board and then 9 after disembarkation, just as you could take 3 on a bay in an RDC then pull outside and take another 9.
caledoniandream:
The othe thing what they will tell you is that if you reduce your weekly rest, your compensation has to be taken after 9 hours rest, so if you take an 24 hours weekend break your compensation must be before the end of the third week 9 + 21+ 45hrs = 75hours, how many of you do that??
I might do it, not because it has to be done but because it might suit me. You can add the compensation to any rest of at least 9 hours, so that can be daily or weekly rest, and it must be before the end of the fourth week. After a 24 hour weekly rest you could add it to a 9 and you would need 30 hours. Add it to another minimum reduced weekly rest and you would need 45 hours and add it to a minimum regular weekly rest and you will need 66 hours so at no point in that scenario do you need 75 hours.
Apart from that they were spot on!
Coffeeholic:
ROG:
MrReliable:
The same trainer told us that Daily rest can only be split by taking a 3 hr break and then a ninehour break. He than went on to say the 11 hr split break on a ferry wasn’t the way to do it as it is now illegal as it should be 3 and 9hrs only .I wonder what coffeeholic would call that trainer
Nothing, he was correct. An 11 hour split rest would be indeed be illegal and you would still require a 3 and a 9 hours with say 3 on shore before boarding and 9 after. Or 3 on board and then 9 after disembarkation, just as you could take 3 on a bay in an RDC then pull outside and take another 9.
Is that different to say taking 3 hours earlier in the shift and then 9 hours at/on the ferry
ROG:
Coffeeholic:
ROG:
MrReliable:
The same trainer told us that Daily rest can only be split by taking a 3 hr break and then a ninehour break. He than went on to say the 11 hr split break on a ferry wasn’t the way to do it as it is now illegal as it should be 3 and 9hrs only .I wonder what coffeeholic would call that trainer
Nothing, he was correct. An 11 hour split rest would be indeed be illegal and you would still require a 3 and a 9 hours with say 3 on shore before boarding and 9 after. Or 3 on board and then 9 after disembarkation, just as you could take 3 on a bay in an RDC then pull outside and take another 9.
Is that different to say taking 3 hours earlier in the shift and then 9 hours at/on the ferry
No, as long as it’s at least 3 then at least 9 it doesn’t matter where you take them for split rest.
Article 9
- By way of derogation from Article 8, where a driver
accompanies a vehicle which is transported by ferry or train,
and takes a regular daily rest period, that period may be
interrupted not more than twice by other activities not
exceeding one hour in total. During that regular daily rest
period the driver shall have access to a bunk or couchette.
I thought a REGULAR daily rest period was 11 hours…
He than went on to say the 11 hr split break on a ferry wasn’t the way to do it as it is now illegal as it should be 3 and 9hrs only .
Am I reading something wrong here
Also - I did not know there was such a thing as a SPLIT 11 hours daily rest - now or ever…
I think you really need to get on a Novadata tacho course Rog
I can recommend them, they really are very accurate and also train Trainers well too
Pat
bloodoodle:
I think you really need to get on a Novadata tacho course RogI can recommend them, they really are very accurate and also train Trainers well too
I must be reading it wrong then because it reads to me as though the trainer is saying that a ferry crossing can ONLY be done on a SPLIT daily rest and that the 11 hour daily rest is illegal !!! ■■?
Like I said, advice given unless it’s absolutely correct is best not given at all.
Why not just leave it to Coffee?
Pat
bloodoodle:
Like I said, advice given unless it’s absolutely correct is best not given at all.
Why not just leave it to Coffee?Pat
I would do if I thought I was wrong but I cannot see how I am…
He than went on to say the 11 hr split break on a ferry wasn’t the way to do it as it is now illegal
If he meant SPILT then as far as I know there has never been a split 11 hour daily rest for a ferry or otherwise but if he meant INTERRUPTED then that would be an incorrect statement - see regs
as it should be 3 and 9hrs only .
for a ferry !! - that is not what the regulation says for ferry crossings
Coffeeholic:
he was correct.
WHY■■?
The regs make it quite clear that only a REGULAR 11 hours rest can be used on ferry crossings - no split daily rests at all
We discussed the 11 hr Ferry crossing rules of 11hrs + movements which I have used in the past.
He said this was no longer in use and the only split rest you can do now is the 3hr and 9hr Split Daily Rest.
If this is correct how long has this been in force ?
In August last year the Belgians fined me 300 euro’s for a mode switch error when using the ferry crossing 11hr + movements senario. Just for entering the ferry mode on a digitacho at the wrong time. If the ferry mode is no longer in use how come the fine wasn’t larger for insufficient daily rest ■■?