If the boss pays why are loads of them moaning on about paying a few pence extra for fuel, they are always bleating on
Even a roadsweeper or a dustman who had to attend a work-related course would do it in work time so that gives an idea of where we are in the food chain.
whats the rub if you don’y complete this nonsense by 2014?
paul b:
whats the rub if you don’y complete this nonsense by 2014?
You retain your entitlement to drive trucks but you can no longer do so to earn a living.
paul b:
whats the rub if you don’y complete this nonsense by 2014?
They quietly shelve it a month before when they realise that the nation’s HGV fleet is about to be depleted by a quarter and it will go the same way as that BS 6565 or whatever it was thing that all hauliers were going to have to have back in the 1990s.
Ive just done my first module of 7 hours,in works time and paid 8 hours for it 
(7 hrs training plus 2x15 min and 1x30 min breaks),wasnt too bad,just found sitting in a training room for 7 hours a bit of a drag
Coffeeholic:
paul b:
whats the rub if you don’y complete this nonsense by 2014?You retain your entitlement to drive trucks but you can no longer do so to earn a living.
then surely theres a legal requirement for an employer to provide the training as they’d have to in any other walk of life?
don’t know if this is any good to those who’s employers for some reason won’t pay, i had several phone calls last year from training companies who were involved in some sort of new funding scheme, basically you could put a man onto a weeks coarse and get it totally free by filling in a few forms, most that rang were offering h&s traininng of one sort or another or a streetworks coarse, just a thought but just maybe this funding is also available for the cpc?
wont allow us to have a day off driving, so having to do it on rest day [o/time]
Our lot will be doing the training all of it, or most of it in house, therefore paying for it, and also in work time which is the best of both worlds, I’ll only have to do a couple of modules with them as have 21 hours from doing the adr course.
just don’t do the course, and the whole thing will go away.
if everyone just says a big NO to it, then what will the EU and our government do? they can’t tell us all, that we can’t drive trucks any longer.
in fact the whole thing is illegal in ireland. it is against the irish constitution. “you can’t take away a mans right to make a living”.(or something like that).
that is why they can’t revoke an o’licence. they can only refuse to renew it.
If you don’t complete the training by 10th September 2014 you will lose your vocational licence ie entitlement to drive LGV’s. You will then have to complete the whole 35 hours of training before you can get your licence back.
Some employers are paying the entire cost, some 50/50 and the rest your are on your own. Employers do not have a legal obligation to provide the training but they cannot employ anyone who has not completed the CPC training.
Drivers CPC will not go away, it is an EU regulation and as we all know the EU now runs this country! The main difference is that different member states have adopted the regulations in different ways.
What might change is the frequency of training, I think every five years is too often. Part of the reason why it was brought in was to encourage young people into the industry but where are they going to find the couple of grand required to complete their LGV and CPC and who is going to let an 18 year old loose in a Class 1, which is now legally possible.
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Welcome TimB48 .
TimB48:
If you don’t complete the training by 10th September 2014 you will lose your vocational licence ie entitlement to drive LGV’s.
You will lose the right to drive LGVs COMMERCIALLY but you will NOT lose the vocational LGV licence.
TimB48:
You will then have to complete the whole 35 hours of training before you can get your licence back.
You will then have to complete the whole 35 hours of training before you can get your right to drive LGVs commercially back
The LICENCE and the DCPC are two seperate issues
ROG:
.TimB48:
If you don’t complete the training by 10th September 2014 you will lose your vocational licence ie entitlement to drive LGV’s.You will lose the right to drive LGVs COMMERCIALLY but you will NOT lose the vocational LGV licence.
TimB48:
You will then have to complete the whole 35 hours of training before you can get your licence back.You will then have to complete the whole 35 hours of training before you can get your right to drive LGVs commercially back
The LICENCE and the DCPC are two seperate issues
ah i now see the way out
work for nothing
shouldnt be such a big step
We’ll be paying for it to be done in work time (though there is the clause in the Ts & Cs to say that you have to stay for a year or pay back the money).
i may be wrong here, but I’m sure there was a case a couple of years back - Hargreaves? possibly - where the firm and/or the drivers were done when they attended a course on a Saturday. It was counted as work and they hadn’t had sufficient weekly rest when they started on a Monday.
I presume if you are paying for the course and it’s at the weekend then you are freely disposing of your time, so it wouldn’t count as work, but if your employer is paying for it and the training is conducted at the weekend, it counts as work.
albion:
if you are paying for the course and it’s at the weekend then you are freely disposing of your time, so it wouldn’t count as work, but if your employer is paying for it and the training is conducted at the weekend, it counts as work.
If your employer is paying for the time you are on the course then it’s other work
If your employer just pays for the course then it’s not other work.
Because I’m on perm nights the Agency I’m on for are paying 1x 3rd . the comp contracted to is paying 1x 3rd and I pay the other bit =£30 from me
As I’m on nights the agency are paying me the night before the cpc and the night of the cpc training day so all i’m paying for is me lunch really.
well a £30 lunch better be good and I’ll take me own plate 
yeah a real BIG BUGGER
What would happen if a driver offers to wash the vehicle in the morning for a days wages then drive in the capacity ofa volunteer.?E.G. FREE gratis and for nothing.
alamcculloch:
What would happen if a driver offers to wash the vehicle in the morning for a days wages then drive in the capacity ofa volunteer.?E.G. FREE gratis and for nothing.
That is why it says a LGV driver has to have the DCPC for driving COMMERCIALLY and does not say being PAID to drive
Commercial driving can be an UNPAID LGV driver if the truck they are driving is on a COMMERCIAL run - loaded or empty
Done my first 7 hrs on it, got paid 10hrs for the day and a free lunchtime meal a bit boring and not really telling you anything you did or didn’t know after 35yrs on the road. Theres no exam as such to pass or fail, its just to say you’ve attended the required time of training 
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Trev_H:
Theres no exam as such to pass or fail, its just to say you’ve attended the required time of training
The one question that cannot be answered -
How many attending that course can be certain that they have assimilated the knowledge correctly ?
And one other point - how do we KNOW that the info being given by the trainer is correct when the governing body (JAUPT) does not check the validity of the course content 
