Rob K:
Rob K:
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Rog:
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ROG:
I was not going to post but this deserves a serious & TRUTHFUL reply
Now then ROG…
I was not going to reply, but this deserves a serious and truthful post. I hope you’re ready for it.
ROG:
I was NOT, repeat NOT, contacted by phone,PM or E-mail prior to this pre-mod sanction - unless you count the one that was sent to me as the sanction was imposed !!
I can’t speak for emails and PMs, because that’s against forum rules.
There’s a general unwritten rule that the contents of a private phone call shouldn’t be discussed, but I can say that I’ve lost count of the number of phone conversations that you and I have had. Without divulging the content or topic of the phone calls, would you agree that you and I have had certain discussions on multiple occasions? Do you get my drift yet?? 
ROG:
There was a PM request from a MOD some months ago about not calling members EXPERTS and that was complied with immediately - that was the ONLY PM I had on anything.
That doesn’t seem to be in dispute ROG, so why keep mentioning it?
ROG:
When I am informed of EXACTLY what I did wrong so that I can avoid doing it again, then and only then, will I be able to continue.
Now this is the really strange part.
You’ve had many warnings, but for some reason, you’ve failed to take them as warnings. It’s just that simple. 
Sorry mate, but your tactics of ignoring warnings and then denying you’ve had them just aren’t persuasive.
Another inescapable truth is that, if only you’d have carried on posting (but sensibly) nobody would have ever known you were on pre-mod AND by now it would very probably have all worked itself out. Regrettably, you chose a different path. 
Your attempt to blag a re-setting of the situation by simplistic denials doesn’t seem to be impressing many people either…
It seems that a little reminder might be needed:
The forum rules:
members who breach the rules slightly or whose posts take up a disproportionate amount of the Moderators/Admin team’s time may have their forum permisssions set so any posts they make has to be approved by a Moderator/Admin before it is seen publicaly. …
depending on the individual case
Let’s also remember that every user of these forums has ALREADY agreed to be bound by the forum rules, but if they don’t read them, the rules are STILL just as valid.
How would it look if a rule change were introduced so that this could be discussed publicly? (You know that’s not going to happen.)
IMHO, everybody would start screaming about double standards and changing the rules to suit one member.
You understand the situation and the choices that are open to you, because nothing has changed.
Two posts approved without edits whilst on pre-mod is a good start, but it’s still entirely your free choice as to what happens next.
IMHO the tool being used is both proportionate and fair. The ‘problem’ seems to have been caused by YOUR attempt to drag it into the open for a free-for-all discussion, which has had the negative effect of blowing it out of all proportion once everybody knew what was going on.
Sorry ROG, but please consider that your idea of whipping up support in this way might have been unwise, and may have spectacularly backfired in front of everybody that YOU invited to the party…
seriously
gogzy:
seriously
Hi gogzy,
I’ve no idea why you’re suggesting that this post gets locked, but nobody forces anybody to read anything, so you can contribute to it, or you can ignore it if you wish.
The other posts on this topic have been merged or locked, but this one stays open unless there’s a good reason to lock it.
I can’t see a good reason for locking this post at this time.
dieseldave:
ROG:
I was not going to post but this deserves a serious & TRUTHFUL replyNow then ROG…
I was not going to reply, but this deserves a serious and truthful post. I hope you’re ready for it.ROG:
I was NOT, repeat NOT, contacted by phone,PM or E-mail prior to this pre-mod sanction - unless you count the one that was sent to me as the sanction was imposed !!I can’t speak for emails and PMs, because that’s against forum rules.
There’s a general unwritten rule that the contents of a private phone call shouldn’t be discussed, but I can say that I’ve lost count of the number of phone conversations that you and I have had. Without divulging the content or topic of the phone calls, would you agree that you and I have had certain discussions on multiple occasions? Do you get my drift yet??
ROG:
There was a PM request from a MOD some months ago about not calling members EXPERTS and that was complied with immediately - that was the ONLY PM I had on anything.That doesn’t seem to be in dispute ROG, so why keep mentioning it?
ROG:
When I am informed of EXACTLY what I did wrong so that I can avoid doing it again, then and only then, will I be able to continue.Now this is the really strange part.
You’ve had many warnings, but for some reason, you’ve failed to take them as warnings. It’s just that simple.
Sorry mate, but your tactics of ignoring warnings and then denying you’ve had them just aren’t persuasive.Another inescapable truth is that, if only you’d have carried on posting (but sensibly) nobody would have ever known you were on pre-mod AND by now it would very probably have all worked itself out. Regrettably, you chose a different path.
It seems that a little reminder might be needed:
The forum rules:
members who breach the rules slightly or whose posts take up a disproportionate amount of the Moderators/Admin team’s time may have their forum permisssions set so any posts they make has to be approved by a Moderator/Admin before it is seen publicaly. …
depending on the individual caseLet’s also remember that every user of these forums has ALREADY agreed to be bound by the forum rules, but if they don’t read them, they’re still just as valid.
IMHO, everybody would start screaming about double standards and changing the rules to suit one member.
You understand the situation and the choices that are open to you, because nothing has changed.
Two posts approved without edits whilst on pre-mod is a good start, but it’s still entirely your free choice as to what happens next.IMHO the tool being used is both proportionate and fair. The ‘problem’ seems to have been caused by YOUR attempt to drag it into the open for a free-for-all discussion, which has had the negative effect of blowing it out of all proportion once everybody knew what was going on.
Sorry ROG, but please consider that your idea of whipping up support in this way might have been unwise, and may have backfired in front of everybody that YOU invited to the party…
I’m going to get out my red flag and wave it at that ‘double standards’ comment right now.
This whole shebang went way off the end of dial about halfway down page 1 and the thread should have been locked there and then. Several mods and also Rikki have banged on several times in this thread that flouting the site rules and any ‘disciplinary’ procedure is a private matter between the site administrator and the member so wtf is going on here?
As much as I don’t particularly like Rog I’ll stick up for anyone if I believe there’s some blatant ■■■■-taking going on and that’s what I see here - a thread where you can come and say whatever the hell you like about a member without any backlash. It’s essentially turned into a ‘come and have a go at Rog’ thread and that is just wrong. It would not be allowed for any other member and it should not be allowed here either. It’s like the mods and site admin have a personal vendetta against the guy (which is not actually far from the truth) and that is just plain bs when they should be doing the job without prejudice.
This entire thread should be locked or deleted altogether as there is no need for it to be in the public domain. The matter is between Rog and admin and if he needs any further clarification of what he has already been told then he can PM or email admin to have those issues addressed. I have to question Rikki’s suitability for the role of ‘Community Manager’ for this site as he seems to do anything but. Maybe an email to the RBI C.E.O. is required to bring an end to this BS and give certain people an overdue kick up the arse. Does anyone have an address as clearly there is no ‘community managing’ going on here. 
Any members feel the same? 
dieseldave:
gogzy:
seriously
Hi gogzy,
I’ve no idea why you’re suggesting that this post gets locked, but nobody forces anybody to read anything, so you can contribute to it, or you can ignore it if you wish.
The other posts on this topic have been merged or locked, but this one stays open unless there’s a good reason to lock it.
I can’t see a good reason for locking this post at this time.
im suggesting it because ROG clearly isnt listening and isnt going to listen. yours and the mods time can be better used than dealing with somebody who doesnt want to listen.
Rob K:
dieseldave:
IMHO, everybody would start screaming about double standards and changing the rules to suit one member.I’m going to get out my red flag and wave it at that ‘double standards’ comment right now.
Hi Rob,
You’re entitled to the views that you’ve expressed, and Rikki will deal with your comments as he sees fit.
I’ll just comment about the small part I’ve quoted and point out that I think you might have taken something out of context.
Now Rob, I know from your posts that you pride yourself on good English.
I asked a question that contained a conditional statement that you might have missed.
The part that you used the enlarged font to emphasise was an opinion based on my hope that somebody reading it might have spotted that the connected question on the line immediately above it was also somewhat rhetorical.
The ‘double standards’ comment was clearly meant to relate to a rule change for the purpose of sudden convenience at this particular time, but in all fairness Rob, I suspect that you knew that.
dieseldave:
Rob K:
dieseldave:
IMHO, everybody would start screaming about double standards and changing the rules to suit one member.I’m going to get out my red flag and wave it at that ‘double standards’ comment right now.
Hi Rob,
You’re entitled to the views that you’ve expressed, and Rikki will deal with your comments as he sees fit.
I’ll just comment about the small part I’ve quoted and point out that I think you might have taken something out of context.
Now Rob, I know from your posts that you pride yourself on good English.
I asked a question that contained a conditional statement that you might have missed.
The part that you used the enlarged font to emphasise was an opinion based on my hope that somebody reading it might have spotted that the connected question on the line immediately above it was also somewhat rhetorical.The ‘double standards’ comment was clearly meant to relate to a rule change for the purpose of sudden convenience at this particular time, but in all fairness Rob, I suspect that you knew that.
Of course I was aware of that 
. The ironic part is that you bang on about being accused of double standards by yet there is all the evidence that anyone should need right here in this thread. Before you came on the scene if any ‘member bashing/worshipping’ thread like this was posted, it would be quickly whisked off ‘for review’ by Pam Mix and the remaining thread locked, but here we see the exact same thing before left for all and sundry to add their tuppenceworth to.
Despite asking in this thread and also directly to Rikki via PM, I have yet to receive an answer to my question asking exactly what purpose is being served by leaving this thread open? Rog has been informed of the reasons why he is on pre-mod, has had his questions answered and has been provided with a direct channel to site admin if he has any further questions. What else is there to discuss? It’s got to be said, the mods and admin on this site are about as much use as mudflaps on a tortoise. A complete waste of space.
My own view is that a lot of Rog “followers” are now seeing him for what he really is & he is loosing a lot of respect from them by doing what he has done
the thread is left open Rob, simply because in the past experience has shown locking them only leads to howls of indignation from a few and a plethora of new threads being made. as the infamous “threadnought” when a certain other member was suspended from posting proved.
These forums are mainly managed by the volunteer team, members of the community themselves. Actions are taken by the team as a whole and a lot of discussion goes on behind the scenes before any major decisions are taken. While I am the direct line manager within RBI for TruckNet UK this forum is only part of my role and as such cannot micro manage it even if I wanted too.
This thread was not started by the team to publicise any actions against any member, and the team have only responded to inaccurate comments that could have inflamed the situation (such as the person has been “stopped” from posting,) or to answer genuine queries relating as to why the premoderation action may be taken against any member.
You cant have it both ways, if the team had not responded at all they would have been criticised. they have responded and been criticised. As it is, as ever, the VAST majority of the forum members who are quite happily using the forums and not getting involved in this.
While we listen to the concerns raised and do discuss them, at the end of the day we have to devote our time to the majority.
Rikki-UK:
the thread is left open Rob, simply because in the past experience has shown locking them only leads to howls of indignation from a few and a plethora of new threads being made. as the infamous “threadnought” when a certain other member was suspended from posting proved.
Very weak argument. The ‘certain other member’ was banned and was unable to speak for himself. That is not the case here. Regardless, rules is rules, and one of them covers members taking the ■■■■, so in the situation above it should have been used to suspend those members who were taking the ■■■■ by starting new threads when the old ones were locked by Pam. What’s the point of having site rules if you can’t be arsed to enforce them.
These forums are mainly managed by the volunteer team, members of the community themselves. Actions are taken by the team as a whole and a lot of discussion goes on behind the scenes before any major decisions are taken. While I am the direct line manager within RBI for TruckNet UK this forum is only part of my role and as such cannot micro manage it even if I wanted too/
My spies reliably inform me that you spend most days down the pub. 
This thread was not started by the team to publicise any actions against any member, and the team have only responded to inaccurate comments that could have inflamed the situation (such as the person has been “stopped” from posting,) or to answer genuine queries relating as to why the premoderation action may be taken against any member.
You cant have it both ways, if the team had not responded at all they would have been criticised. they have responded and been criticised.
But that’s your own fault for being a doormat and letting the members walk all over you. Once again, you have site rules, use them. You don’t have to give an answer to some random on the internet why you’ve banned/suspended a member. As you keep saying, it’s a private matter between you and the member so delete/lock the thread with a brief explanation of the reasons why and be done with it. If any member don’t like it then they know where the admin email addy is to argue the toss. It should not become a public matter for disecting/arguing/debating.
As it is, as ever, the VAST majority of the forum members who are quite happily using the forums and not getting involved in this.
Not really. The vast majority don’t post. Of the 5% that do, many have aired their disproval of the way you’ve handled it in this thread and others.
While we listen to the concerns raised and do discuss them, at the end of the day we have to devote our time to the majority.
Well you should discuss it again and try harder this time instead of letting this bs thread drag the rest of the site into the gutter and making you look foolish.
Where is Pam Mix? She wouldn’t stand for any of this bs. It would have been removed for review within 5 mins of the first post.
Double Standards, I think you are extracting the urine, Rob or is it Phil?? You use 2 Accounts to troll and you keep posting a picture with a ‘swear’ word that comes up as ■■■■, you avoid the swear filter and get away with it by posting a picture with it in. Why? Double standards, yea right.
As for Rog, nah, CBA. I had a lot of respect for him, but not now. He’s behaving like a child.
My spies reliably inform me that you spend most days down the pub.
I wish… Although I did pop up the club this afternoon with the missus for a pint or two 
Rob K wrote
As much as I don’t particularly like Rog I’ll stick up for anyone if I believe there’s some blatant ■■■■-taking going on and that’s what I see here - a thread where you can come and say whatever the hell you like about a member without any backlash. It’s essentially turned into a ‘come and have a go at Rog’ thread and that is just wrong. It would not be allowed for any other member and it should not be allowed here either. It’s like the mods and site admin have a personal vendetta against the guy (which is not actually far from the truth) and that is just plain bs when they should be doing the job without prejudice.
This entire thread should be locked or deleted altogether as there is no need for it to be in the public domain. The matter is between Rog and admin and if he needs any further clarification of what he has already been told then he can PM or email admin to have those issues addressed. I have to question Rikki’s suitability for the role of ‘Community Manager’ for this site as he seems to do anything but. Maybe an email to the RBI C.E.O. is required to bring an end to this BS and give certain people an overdue kick up the arse. Does anyone have an address as clearly there is no ‘community managing’ going on here.
Any members feel the same?
Laughable! Were you not the first person to “have a go at Rog” with your cheap pot shot at the guy’s employment status? What was your comment. Oh yes, maybe he should “get up off his arse” and get a job. Double standards indeed, if not blatant hypocrisy.
As Buycrider, Peter Smythe and others have pointed out earlier in this overlong, ridiculous thread, comments about what in effect is the guy’s private life, are rude, bad mannered and frankly downright vicious.
And while we’re on the subject, here’s another gem from a moderator this time:
As far as I can tell, nobody has attacked ROG personally, but wouldn’t you agree that a few posters seem to be glad to have seen the back of him?
That’s from DieselDave on page 6, who since becoming a moderator on here, seems to have become one of the most codescending, patronising posters on here - and let’s be honest Dave, you’re secretly enjoying the proverbial kicking Rog is getting on here.
It’s funny cause’ I thought moderators were supposed to be the arbiters of compromise…
ANDY1961:
Rob K wroteAs much as I don’t particularly like Rog I’ll stick up for anyone if I believe there’s some blatant ■■■■-taking going on and that’s what I see here - a thread where you can come and say whatever the hell you like about a member without any backlash. It’s essentially turned into a ‘come and have a go at Rog’ thread and that is just wrong. It would not be allowed for any other member and it should not be allowed here either. It’s like the mods and site admin have a personal vendetta against the guy (which is not actually far from the truth) and that is just plain bs when they should be doing the job without prejudice.
This entire thread should be locked or deleted altogether as there is no need for it to be in the public domain. The matter is between Rog and admin and if he needs any further clarification of what he has already been told then he can PM or email admin to have those issues addressed. I have to question Rikki’s suitability for the role of ‘Community Manager’ for this site as he seems to do anything but. Maybe an email to the RBI C.E.O. is required to bring an end to this BS and give certain people an overdue kick up the arse. Does anyone have an address as clearly there is no ‘community managing’ going on here.
Any members feel the same?
Laughable! Were you not the first person to “have a go at Rog” with your cheap pot shot at the guy’s employment status? What was your comment. Oh yes, maybe he should “get up off his arse” and get a job.
As Buycrider and others have pointed out earlier in this overlong, ridiculous thread, comments about what in effect is the guy’s private life, are rude, bad mannered and frankly downright vicious.
Spot on.
For some reason the ‘sun shines’ out of some members rears and they can get away with a hell of a lot. 
Double standards indeed
ROG:
Coffeeholic:
Okay, screw the rules.ROG was put on pre mod after requests then warnings to stop doing various things going back over several months at least. This was done by PM and phone calls but all requests were generally ignored.
I was not going to post but this deserves a serious & TRUTHFUL reply
I was NOT, repeat NOT, contacted by phone, PM or E-mail prior to this pre-mod sanction - unless you count the one that was sent to me as the sanction was imposed !!
There was a PM request from a MOD some months ago about not calling members EXPERTS and that was complied with immediately - that was the ONLY PM I had on anything.
When I am informed of EXACTLY what I did wrong so that I can avoid doing it again, then and only then, will I be able to continue.
Basically who cares ?
give it a bloody rest and get a life for Gods sake
believe it or not there are more important things to life apart from forums
Rog if you do not like the rules or the way a certain forum is run then excercise your rights as a consumer and go elsewhere it is so simple
Vascoingles:
Basically who cares ?give it a bloody rest and get a life for Gods sake
believe it or not there are more important things to life apart from forums
Rog if you do not like the rules or the way a certain forum is run then excercise your rights as a consumer and go elsewhere it is so simple
So very true if this is all you have to worry about I will swop ay time
As I said before he is /has lost a lot of respect he did have from some people where are they now as not posting
Look at you all, kick a Man while he’s down. You make me sick, leave him alone ffs and stop judging others. He’s got a post count of nearly 20,000, if only a quarter of those helped someone that’s 5,000. OK, I know from Tacho that he’s posted some ‘wrong’ stuff as well, but still it must be more good than bad and hopefully his BS posts got ‘corrected’ before any ‘damage’ was done.
I CBA with him now that he’s behaving like a Child, but this bullying is out of order, life’s hard enough without all these ‘keyboard warriors’ saying if you don’t like being bullied ■■■■ off.
Ok Guys, this thread doesn’t seem to be going anywhere so it’s locked!
Move along please,nothing to see here
He still not put his teddies back in his pram yet? lol