Dave the Renegade:
Sooner or later these quarry and concrete plant owners,whoever they are will realise that without lorries the goods won’t get delivered.The O/D’s are getting less,and hopefully not many people will come forward to take their place,forcing the plant and quarry owners hand to give a rate increase.
I remember somebody saying exactly that when I was “riding shotgun” as a 7yr old in a Leyland Buffalo 6wheeler tipper 40yrs ago 
Big Truck:
Dave the Renegade:
Sooner or later these quarry and concrete plant owners,whoever they are will realise that without lorries the goods won’t get delivered.The O/D’s are getting less,and hopefully not many people will come forward to take their place,forcing the plant and quarry owners hand to give a rate increase.I remember somebody saying exactly that when I was “riding shotgun” as a 7yr old in a Leyland Buffalo 6wheeler tipper 40yrs ago
They were paying better rates 40 years ago Big Truck,and running costs weren’t as high.
I wonder if things will turn full circle again and the quarries will start running their own fleets again? RMC/CEMEX retained theirs after initially trying to sell them off but most of the other major players got rid a few years ago, I guess that nothing will happen until the work available becomes too much for the dwindling number of contract hauliers! 
Pete.
jensenA3:
Has anyone heard how the existing work contracts are going to be split/shared ?Surely mittal co can’t take all the jobs. Can he ?
We’re heading into the leanest period of the year (work wise). If mittal takes all the work those in jvco will be facing a few months sat on our arses.
The existing work stays with the plants it is currently supplied from. When one job finishes and another begins its back to the open market.
Best price wins i suppose. But i`m sure a lot of tarmac/Lafarge present customers will prefer to stay with them unless distance and price becomes an issue. The only problem is Tarmac/Lafarge will have a new name so will divested plants which will be arcelormittalcement.com/
moanerdriver:
DAFPILOT:
Turbans instead of helmets? I’m not so sure that statement is politically correct in this day and age. lol. If we are changing to turbans, do those of us from Lafarge, presumably hang up the berets, stripey jerseys and strings of garlic ?
For those who now “think it’s all over”; I think you’ll find, that it’s only just begun! These deals are taking place under a huge cloud of economic instability within the UK. JVCo, have already announced around 600 redundancies between now, and the end of consultation in early 2014. NewCo (Mittal Investments), surely can’t step off the mark from day one, without mutiple casualties ?
Look to your three largest costs within the construction materials industry. Fuel, Transport, and Personnel.
We’re all cracking jokes on here now about who owns what. One year from now, who will still be laughing?
Quite right, Newco( Mittal) in our area has Lafarge management in place,mind you from reading this forum thank god they aint Tarmac, although not heard who is running transport yet.
Still find all this a bit fishy, who would want to invest in a construction materials supplier in the current economic climate, tp asset strip? what assets? slag is a by product from producing steel, thats a long shot, and the only cement works they are buying is in a national park with restricted vehicle movements!!
Ive read quite a bit on Lakshi Mittal. he is buying Newco because the forecasts for growth in the UK is upward from 2013. He and his advisors arent thick, thats why hes worth £20 billion,richest man in UK and 6th in the world. They forecast the construction sector to be the first to see the upturn and thats why they are investing their money.
windrush:
I wonder if things will turn full circle again and the quarries will start running their own fleets again? RMC/CEMEX retained theirs after initially trying to sell them off but most of the other major players got rid a few years ago, I guess that nothing will happen until the work available becomes too much for the dwindling number of contract hauliers!Pete.
Just heard this week that a local Cemex quarry, is to get rid of the artics in it’s fleet along with ten drivers.
windrush:
I wonder if things will turn full circle again and the quarries will start running their own fleets again? RMC/CEMEX retained theirs after initially trying to sell them off but most of the other major players got rid a few years ago, I guess that nothing will happen until the work available becomes too much for the dwindling number of contract hauliers!Pete.
The major problem all these firms face is having relied on O/Ds,contractors & multi vehicle frachisee’s is they no longer have the experience,expertise&qualifications to run their own transport(its not part of their"core business")management tends to be jumped-up salesmen&those who tell senior managment what they wish to hear!!
splitshift:
windrush:
I wonder if things will turn full circle again and the quarries will start running their own fleets again? RMC/CEMEX retained theirs after initially trying to sell them off but most of the other major players got rid a few years ago, I guess that nothing will happen until the work available becomes too much for the dwindling number of contract hauliers!Pete.
The major problem all these firms face is having relied on O/Ds,contractors & multi vehicle frachisee’s is they no longer have the experience,expertise&qualifications to run their own transport(its not part of their"core business")management tends to be jumped-up salesmen&those who tell senior managment what they wish to hear!!
Most of them never had a proper TM.In the case of tippers,most of them took their work from the weighbridge clerk.
DAFPILOT:
windrush:
I wonder if things will turn full circle again and the quarries will start running their own fleets again? RMC/CEMEX retained theirs after initially trying to sell them off but most of the other major players got rid a few years ago, I guess that nothing will happen until the work available becomes too much for the dwindling number of contract hauliers!Pete.
Just heard this week that a local Cemex quarry, is to get rid of the artics in it’s fleet along with ten drivers.
would that be in the buxton area?
I was suprised to see the ad in CM this week offering tipper & mixer work for Dependable Concrete/ DP williams.
I am not from their area, so dont know them, but I wouldn’t have thought they would need to advertise in the current climate.
Anybody know anymore?
roadcommander2:
I was suprised to see the ad in CM this week offering tipper & mixer work for Dependable Concrete/ DP williams.I am not from their area, so dont know them, but I wouldn’t have thought they would need to advertise in the current climate.
Anybody know anymore?
Most of the rates are crap in tipper and mixer work Mark.I can’t comment on that company.but no one is taking the risk of starting up the way things are.
Cheers Dave.
I know what you mean Dave.
Just had a look at their website and they seem to be an established company.
One pic shows a long line of red, Renault 8 wheelers.
Would have thought the local boys would have been catering for their haulage requirements so just suprised to see an ad in the national mag.
mark
roadcommander2:
I know what you mean Dave.Just had a look at their website and they seem to be an established company.
One pic shows a long line of red, Renault 8 wheelers.
Would have thought the local boys would have been catering for their haulage requirements so just suprised to see an ad in the national mag.mark
I don’t know much about the North Wales scene Mark.
Cheers Dave.
New company to be Hope Construction Materials
moanerdriver:
New company to be Hope Construction Materials
jv to be called lafarge,tarmac i believe,wonder how many meetings and amount of money it took to come up with that imaginative name. 
Yes,talking to the weighbridge man tody in Clitheroe,Lafarge Tarmac is deffo the name! And all new trucks to be plain white Laughed when we came up with LARTAR and TARLAR or TOSSLAR etc etc,not heard anything about new contracts for tipper od,s? 
roadcommander2:
I know what you mean Dave.Just had a look at their website and they seem to be an established company.
One pic shows a long line of red, Renault 8 wheelers.
Would have thought the local boys would have been catering for their haulage requirements so just suprised to see an ad in the national mag.mark
DP Website years out of date. they havnt run there own transport (long line of tippers seen) for many years- must be 10 or more. rates for mixers were inline with hanson etc dont know if they still are. only 1 plant (halkyn) so very reliant on hire trucks if signs of getting busy.
roadcommander2:
I was suprised to see the ad in CM this week offering tipper & mixer work for Dependable Concrete/ DP williams.I am not from their area, so dont know them, but I wouldn’t have thought they would need to advertise in the current climate.
Anybody know anymore?
says a lot believe rates are ## 
Yes, Cemex Dove Holes made eight artic drivers redundant on Friday 21/12/2012
Happy new Year…2013 brings a new start with Hope Concrete after 13 years with Tarmac…Lets just wait and see how things turn out.
Not confident for the year ahead. 