sinbin31:
3300john
ok didnt know we were being picky about whether the truck was fitted with factory parts ,all I can tell u is the two pics of the truck are the same vehicle whether it had a mirror facing upside down or back to front and the bumper is inside out its the same vehicle I should know my spanners have worked on this truck if you check the righthand door you can see my fingerprint a dirty greasy mark never washed of by Jeff who only knew how to sit in the driving seat and move the steering wheel
Roger
On a different note,how long did he do the m/e with it and was it reliable ,i noticed Ash described it as Jeffs beloved AEC was that true or was a little bit of sarcasm creeping in?
ramone:
On a different note,how long did he do the m/e with it and was it reliable ,i noticed Ash described it as Jeffs beloved AEC was that true or was a little bit of sarcasm creeping in?
I must admit, I did think the same thing when I saw the pictures. There were known cooling issues with the Ergomatic-cabbed models, so God-alone knows how they coped with the heat out there…
Re the mirror and bumper issue on the AEC. We had an F reg with the mirrors on the doors and you could not keep them clean; the bumper was chrome . Our H reg had mirrors on the A posts they were much better this also had a chrome bumper .Our Lreg came with a heavy duty steel bumper you didnt need brasso on this.
p.s. They all had different badges on the grill !!
emmerson2:
I’m not disputing that they’re the same lorry! On an M plate lorry, the bumper wouldm have been deeper, and painted white or chrome, and the mirrors would have been mounted on the doors. That style bumper was only used up to K reg, I think.
I don’t want to start WW3, it was just an observation.
Surely, the finish on a bumper would be down to the owner? The bumper on the pictures was a stock item - one of a few that could be specified at the time. If (as was the case at the time) the owners ran several similar vehicles over a period of years, the bumper could’ve been held in store and fitted latterly.
AEC relocated the mirror arms to where they are on this Mandator as a subtle design change in the late sixties - they were initially located on the doors when the Ergomatic cab was launched in 1965.
Don’t take this the wrong way, but in future it might be wise to read-up on something before posting in a contentious way. There are a few members of these forums who are subject matter experts and have written books which cover things you’ve mentioned. One such book includes information about the point you raised about the mirror arms - as well as nearly everything else to do with post-war AECs: AEC Lorries in the Post-War Years 1945-1979 by Graham Edge - ISBN 1 871565 21 9.
|Marky, I fully accept that there are people on here who know more than I do! I also admit that I’m wrong about the mirrors: I had them the wrong way round. The early ones were on the doors. BUT, all the vehicles I was responsible for maintaining between 1968 and 974 bar two had flatter, deeper bumpers, which were chrome. The exceptions were our first Marshall in 1968, which had the bumper shown in the picture, and the last one, which was a six wheeler badged as a Marshall Major. That had a heavy duty steel bumper, painted white. It was among the very first production MMs, fitted with the AV 760 engine and six speed box.
Besides all that, my post was never intended to be contentious: it was simply an observation, culled from my memories of almost 40 years ago.If I caused offence, then tough!
emmerson2:
Marky, I fully accept that there are people on here who know more than I do! I also admit that I’m wrong about the mirrors: I had them the wrong way round. The early ones were on the doors. BUT, all the vehicles I was responsible for maintaining between 1968 and 974 bar two had flatter, deeper bumpers, which were chrome. The exceptions were our first Marshall in 1968, which had the bumper shown in the picture, and the last one, which was a six wheeler badged as a Marshall Major. That had a heavy duty steel bumper, painted white. It was among the very first production MMs, fitted with the AV 760 engine and six speed box.
Besides all that, my post was never intended to be contentious: it was simply an observation, culled from my memories of almost 40 years ago.If I caused offence, then tough!
Not sure I can see the point you’re making - all your observations have been countered/corrected with facts.
The big, heavy-duty front bumper was standard fitment on the Marshal Major, but in all other cases unless the purchaser expressed a preference for the heavy-duty or chromed steel blade-type bumper, the standard offering was the one seen in the original pictures. The book I referred you to in one my earlier replies carries many, many archive shots of AECs in service carrying all three bumper options - from 1965 all the way through to 1977. They weren’t categorised by the age of the vehicle - they were all available. This isn’t me nit-picking, or trying to get one over on you - I’m just telling you how it was.
You didn’t cause offence with your observation (at least, not to me) but I suspect you didn’t win any new friends or any respect with the parting shot in your most recent post.
The point about the mirrors is flawed, these pictures were taken in the days of the Barnes Motalink van and Spafax and Spurious Parts mirrors, one size fits all!
Well put wheel Nut I surley didnt mean to cause such a debate but it makes good reading,maybe I presumed the wrong interpretation of a (ringer)
never the less who cares what bumper and mirror it had on it ,it was a work horse and ran extreemly well under the conditions it was used for ,many new modern trucks could not cope with the lack of Tarmack and holes as big as craters on the moon ( Old trucks Rule and old Drivers)
Mike
Only Myself and Peter Cannon turned up at John Bruce’s Funeral ,Bob Headley made the Crematoriam,in Maidstone ,and I was the only one who went for a drink, I have one pic of myself and Peter Cannon Taken by his wife,I also have a few of George Ginns funeral will get them all posted,Plus I was the only Driver to attend Ron(jock) Bell’s funeral thats three in so many months very sad but we all have to go sometime.
Regarding Trevor Long not many pics of him arround but I have one I took in Turkey with another driver who I cant remember his name will post maybe someone will remember him,when I found this pic I couldnt believe the size of the bell bottom Jeans we used to wear
Although not to clear, you can just make out the mirrors on this one, the same as my Dad’s are on the A pillar, chrome bumper was an extra, this is from 1968.
I have said on other threads that the reason O/D’s were running old non-sleeper trucks to the M/E was that in the ‘olden day’s’ it was not possible to get h.p. unless you could put down at least 30% deposit ( unless you could find a ‘mickey mouse’ dealer who would fiddle the deposit) the problem with todays easy money is no one believes me!
Also as soon as a finance company got wind of M/E they panicked as they considered an O/D would have no back-up, when you see the pics of dumped trucks you may understand why. When I bought my Transcon in Dec 76 I had to wait until 77 for Jeffery Bromilow to return from his trip to Saudi to sign as garuntor on my h.p. forms as we were running under his colours.
A lot of trucks were dumped because the drivers had run out of money usually 'cos they were working for cowboy concerns who ripped them off.
Atlas overland went bust in 75or76 so that might explain why it was abandoned. I first met Ty Jarvis (now retired) & Martin Allman (now working for M&D Freight) in Czech with a number of units topped trying to get them home before the money and diesel ran out.
Trucks were being taken to Saudi to sell as far back as at least 76 I sold my Crusader in 76 at the same time an Engishman had driven an ex London Brick forward opening doors AEC unit to Jeddah just to sell only to find it was too short to hitch up to the continental trailers that were there. I felt quite sorry for him he had spent a lot of time tidying it up and then driving it down solo but was then being screwed rotten by the locals.
Gavin
p.s. is the reason that the AEC Mandator’s wheels etc, look too narrow because it is in fact a Mercury?
The reason all AECmandators had a narrow front axle was that the axle beam was a casting from the days of the old mk5 it was used because all AEC tractors only needed a 5.25 front axle.If you wanted a heavyer axle they used the AEC mercury ridged 4 wheeler front axle this was a 6.25 unit needed to run at 16 ton.
LB76:
0Is this the Crusader that was mentioned on here ?And no-one could remember it.
Looks a bit over specced to deliver motorbikes?
Somebody will know more than me, but I remember seeing something about these Crusaders, they were specced up for the M/E but the order was cancelled, so they were sold off cheap! As you say Suedehead a bit over-specced for UK work, but I wouldn’t have minded 1 of them
LB76:
0Is this the Crusader that was mentioned on here ?And no-one could remember it.
Looks a bit over specced to deliver motorbikes?
Somebody will know more than me, but I remember seeing something about these Crusaders, they were specced up for the M/E but the order was cancelled, so they were sold off cheap! As you say Suedehead a bit over-specced for UK work, but I wouldn’t have minded 1 of them
Same as that mate,would have loved to have driven one but iirc Baileys never ventured over the water so why the Tir plate?
. . cue pic of one in the M/E
having a T.I.R. plate bolted to your motor could be a pain at times if you were not running under TIR regs. they were bolted on more lorries that never left the UK than went abroad. i sat in Dublin customs waiting to clear and had to leave the lorry and go in digs for the night as it was not cleared and had to stay in customs,if you didnt need the plate leave it out!
Crusader prob should not have been posted on here been as it never went east, but all the same looks well think I saw i out & about when it was on the road. Would look well somebody doing a resto lookalike instead of all this Sweedish stuff you see at all the Shows
LB76:
having a T.I.R. plate bolted to your motor could be a pain at times if you were not running under TIR regs. they were bolted on more lorries that never left the UK than went abroad. i sat in Dublin customs waiting to clear and had to leave the lorry and go in digs for the night as it was not cleared and had to stay in customs,if you didnt need the plate leave it out!
If you look closly at the TIR plate on the Scammell you will see that it has a red bar across it and for all intents as far as customs regulations go the TIR eliment is null and void. All MAT motors ran with TIR plates but they were barred out when not in use. The red bar was fixed in place with 2 wing nuts.
Cliff
Is this the Crusader that was mentioned on here ?And no-one could remember it.
