Aircraft Refuelling

Twoninety88:
Just a small point, there is very little bowser or tanker work on civil airports. Basically you drive a meter and pump vehicle, pull up to aircraft, connect earths, plug hose in the ground to the fuel pipeline, other end in the aircraft and pump poundage required. See flight captain in for payment by card.

This is how Stansted operates, All major airports are on the national fuel pipline grid, Stansteds fuel depot , if you can call it that, is a huge pipe fed reservoir at Saffron Walden.

Maybe that is the case with Stanstead but having passed through a lot of airports over the last 2 years I have only seen tankers refuelling aircraft and Gatwick and Heathrow included.

albion1971:

Twoninety88:
Just a small point, there is very little bowser or tanker work on civil airports. Basically you drive a meter and pump vehicle, pull up to aircraft, connect earths, plug hose in the ground to the fuel pipeline, other end in the aircraft and pump poundage required. See flight captain in for payment by card.

This is how Stansted operates, All major airports are on the national fuel pipline grid, Stansteds fuel depot , if you can call it that, is a huge pipe fed reservoir at Saffron Walden.

Maybe that is the case with Stanstead but having passed through a lot of airports over the last 2 years I have only seen tankers refuelling aircraft and Gatwick and Heathrow included.

I know one of the guys who trained aircraft re-fuellers for many airlines and airports. Gatwick and Heathrow will only use tankers for planes parked on the outer field of the airport. Anything at a stand will be fuelled with a meter, filter and pump truck direct from underground pipes connected to the fuel farms at the airport.

Hi mate. Did the job for 7 years at both Luton and Birmingham. First thing i will say it is the best job you will ever do. Firstly, he needs to bear in mind he will start work at anywhere between 0400 and 0500, dependant on airport, some work 24/7. First job of the day, drain 2 litres of fuel from the tanker, check it for water and fungi, BUT he will NEVER do a flush through. Did that in the Military, but not allowed in civvy street, simply because all fuel pumped has to accounted for, so if you do a 100 litre flush through it screws up the figures because it is classed as a delivery. Usual walk round checks, get the flights for the day that you are to fuel, and out you go. O, cross bulking, pumping fuel from one vehicle to another is banned by Shell, and a few other companies.
Now, Monarch agency pay less then companies, but the companies use them so in busy periods theyve got enough staff then dump em in winter, well most of em anyway.
The lowcost airlines, Easyjet and Ryan air are on 25 minute turnrounds, so he will be expected to get up to speed quite quickly, and must be able to pump 20 tons of fuel into the low cost in no more then 20 minutes, as the aircraft want to push back bang on 25 minutes. Then the long hauls like the Air India and PIA have 2 hour turn rounds but require anything upto 95 tons of fuel.
I’m not going to discuss money on here, but feel free to pm me and i will give you a run down on cash etc.
ADR is a requirement at some airports, but not all. I.E Luton and Heathrow must have it as you cross a public road to get to the aircraft. Birmingham you dont need it, although i always disputed that. Before any airport pass is issued a criminal records check will be carried out, and if it comes back with anything on, it is at the discretion of the airport ID section whether they accept it or not.
The summer season is obviously busy, at Birmingham we were pumping 2 million litres of fuel everyday, and were pushing between 18 - 20 refuels a day per fueller, and it can be incredibly hot on the ramp,and sometimes you feel like you’re running round like a headless chicken. but in winter the work drops off and we pumped between half and three quaters of a million litres a day, and it can be incredibly cold on the ramp, with no shelter on some stands.
If for example you are placed at an airport where the fuelling is done by ASIG/Shell expect H&S inspections at least once a month by head office. They may stand and watch what you’re doing, they may hide round the corner, and anything they class as dangerous or a violation of the rules will see your work there ended.
you also get to know the crews which has its advantages.
No fuelling company will permit you to fuel on your own until they are completely satisfied that you are fully competent. One thing i will stress though, shortcuts are not advised, if you decide that the fuel was ok yesterday and so you won’t bother doing ya checks today, bear in mind, that god forbid an aircraft goes in, the fueller is under investigation and not permitted to work, the vehicle is impounded, and if the fuel is the cause of the crash you will go to jail for manslaughter. sounds a bit extreme, but thats how it is.
Contaminated fuel does happen, not regulaly because of the tank checks that are done, but it does happen. Always wear the full ppe issued, some companies will instantly dismiss any staff that don’t wear it.
Can’t think of anything else. Feel free to pm me if you need any more info

degsy4wheels:
must be able to pump 20 tons of fuel into the low cost in no more then 20 minutes, as the aircraft want to push back bang on 25 minutes. Then the long hauls like the Air India and PIA have 2 hour turn rounds but require anything upto 95 tons of fuel.

:open_mouth: 95 tons, it’s amazing to think they can carry all that fuel. Any idea how much an airline would pay to take on 95tons? I have no idea but its always interested me when you consider how cheap so long haul flights can be. I flew to the US a few years ago for £250 return, it’s difficult to see how they make a profit, especially given the cost of the aircraft.

Twoninety88:
Just a small point, there is very little bowser or tanker work on civil airports. Basically you drive a meter and pump vehicle, pull up to aircraft, connect earths, plug hose in the ground to the fuel pipeline, other end in the aircraft and pump poundage required. See flight captain in for payment by card.

This is how Stansted operates, All major airports are on the national fuel pipline grid, Stansteds fuel depot , if you can call it that, is a huge pipe fed reservoir at Saffron Walden.

Luton, Birmingham, East Mids, EDI all use tankers. No airline at those airports pay by card it’s all contract. Also you don’t earth the aircraft you bond it, you equalize the static charge not neutralize it
Birmingham has the facility to connect the underground fuel pipline but has no plans to, because even though it is getting bigger and more and more flights are coming in, they see no need to connect it

bazza123:

degsy4wheels:
must be able to pump 20 tons of fuel into the low cost in no more then 20 minutes, as the aircraft want to push back bang on 25 minutes. Then the long hauls like the Air India and PIA have 2 hour turn rounds but require anything upto 95 tons of fuel.

:open_mouth: 95 tons, it’s amazing to think they can carry all that fuel. Any idea how much an airline would pay to take on 95tons? I have no idea but its always interested me when you consider how cheap so long haul flights can be. I flew to the US a few years ago for £250 return, it’s difficult to see how they make a profit, especially given the cost of the aircraft.

Alright Bazza, when i left 3 years ago, got injured, the price was 75pence per litre. Don’t know what it is now, but i can find out.
Litres wise, 95 tons would vary between 75000 lites to 110.000 litres depending what he’s got in the tanks when he comes in.

bazza123:
:open_mouth: 95 tons, it’s amazing to think they can carry all that fuel. Any idea how much an airline would pay to take on 95tons? I have no idea but its always interested me when you consider how cheap so long haul flights can be. I flew to the US a few years ago for £250 return, it’s difficult to see how they make a profit, especially given the cost of the aircraft.

a 747/777 can carry over 100 tonnes, Jet A/A1 is the cheapest fuel used in aviation, approx 50-85p a litre I think (next to nothing in the Middle East), it’s 100LL that’s a killer, airlines bulk buy in advance & tanker fuel to control costs. Some of your tickets are cheap because of seasons, crew not being paid a wage, competition etc…

It did at one point go up to 90p a litre…Some crews are very well paid, but are treated badly. Other crews are poorly paid but sell loads so make it up on commision

95 tons, it’s amazing to think they can carry all that fuel.

Once managed to squeeze 139 tons in a RAF Tristar (tanker version)

lmao, i thought i was doing well when a jag came into Wittering, seemed to be taking more then i was told, till i turned round and saw it ■■■■■■■ out the back

Lynx MK7 on the back end of HMS Birmingham off the coast of Bosnia in the rain at night feeling seasick with the smell of the “food” from the galley. Loved it !!! :wink:
Now class one ADR on Carbon Dioxide from Wissington.

ajs68:
Lynx MK7 on the back end of HMS Birmingham off the coast of Bosnia in the rain at night feeling seasick with the smell of the “food” from the galley. Loved it !!! :wink:
Now class one ADR on Carbon Dioxide from Wissington.

Can they refuel with the helicopter hovering off the deck? I’m sure I’ve seen a picture of this somewhere?

Edit: here it is

defense.gov/photos/newsphoto … otoid=2765

Yes they can refuel in the hover, it’s something we practice in case of undercarriage failure or deck damage. Very frightening but never had to do it for real. :wink:

ajs68:
Yes they can refuel in the hover, it’s something we practice in case of undercarriage failure or deck damage. Very frightening but never had to do it for real. :wink:

Is that because of the risk of the aircraft dropping onto you or the hose being pulled out?! I’ve seen pictures of people attaching loads under helicopters such as chinook etc, rather you/them than me!

Fergi:

95 tons, it’s amazing to think they can carry all that fuel.

Once managed to squeeze 139 tons in a RAF Tristar (tanker version)

Ah the joys of dawdelling out to a Tri Star or a Victor because nobody wanted to arrive first.
Everyone else then arrives and cross pumps through you so your there hours.
You lose your place on the ukers board and everything.

Much what Degsy says. Most airports in the UK use bowsers. I worked at Newcastle for 17 years refuelling. It is a different ball game to the military, I saw a few ex military chaps come through our place and they couldn’t believe what one man has to do at a civilian airport. Monarch is a refuelling agency and the hours will not be constant, but f that’s what you fancy, fill your boots.

The job in general, like most good jobs has been devalued over the years, with agencies and contractors doing the work for the oil companies. ADR was not a requirement at NCL, nor was it at Teeside or Leeds Bradford. For those still working direct for the oil companies it is still a good job, but others, that’s a matter of opinion. I am earning more now, on general haulage than the new starters at NCL and they are on zero hours contracts.

bowserman:
Much what Degsy says. Most airports in the UK use bowsers. I worked at Newcastle for 17 years refuelling. It is a different ball game to the military, I saw a few ex military chaps come through our place and they couldn’t believe what one man has to do at a civilian airport. Monarch is a refuelling agency and the hours will not be constant, but f that’s what you fancy, fill your boots.

The job in general, like most good jobs has been devalued over the years, with agencies and contractors doing the work for the oil companies. ADR was not a requirement at NCL, nor was it at Teeside or Leeds Bradford. For those still working direct for the oil companies it is still a good job, but others, that’s a matter of opinion. I am earning more now, on general haulage than the new starters at NCL and they are on zero hours contracts.

Hi Mate thanks for the Info.
Just a couple of Questions are you saying these Jobs are not Full Time then? as it says on their Website Full, and Part Time Contracts available.
If this is the case its not very good to not have Guarentee Hours, and regular Work .
Dissapointing if so. :neutral_face:
Cheers

From what i have been told, Monarch employ on seasonal need basis. More work in summer, less in winter. But i’ve been out for 3 years so may not be upto date

I have one of my ex NCL mates working for Monarch and it is, as needed, the same as any other agency.

Hi guys, just thought I would add my experience for what it’s worth. I have been working at Brest Airport (Guipavas) through an agency for a few months. The pay seems good in comparison with the UK, just a tad under 16€ an hour, on top of this I get a travel allowance of 15€ a day plus other bits like 7€ meal allowance and 3€09 each time we take a card payment there’'s a lot of small overwing private light aircraft. It’s a small and relatively quiet airport although we’re generally kept busy. ADR here is a must along with LGV, tacho card, drivers card (FIMO or CPC). All in all I class it as a well paid job with few drawbacks. Major issue is that Total who run the gaff only take agency workers for 198 months! ie they train you, pay you and then let you go and do it all over again! Go figure!!

We use three different vehicles, all LGV but varying sizes depending on the job, our average fill is a little over 4000 liters (can vary from 50 - 33000 ltrs) obviously the large volumes are less frequent. We also do helicopters, particularly emergency ones form Brest hospitals.

I’d happily consider doing the job on a permanent basis, pay is good (certainly for here) and the working conditions are not bad at all.

Hope that’s useful or at least interesting for some of you.

Take care folks, Paul