Good Post
Having held ADR for over 20 years, I have worked for the most well respected cowboys in the industry.
I intentionally let my ADR expire because of the extra rules and regulations, the chance of any fines being treble the cost of non adr work. The bans on driving 12 hours before a public holiiday and the chance of dying prematurely of cancer.
All this for no extra pay or health benefits, I can see both sides of the story, and the personal hygiene sounds as though he may need an ADR certificate anyway.
ADR, not for me, Enjoy the Bullshot
When some oik says that a driver should loose their job because they do not like a drivers attitude,well I will defend anyones right to have a job and be able to support the familiy and pay the mortgauge,for me anyone who avocates that a driver should loose their job is beneath comtemp.
I WOULD just like to add like wheelnut,the following, I have also my ADR
licence now for a long long period since it became law and there are not
many firms that pay extra when working with such products,also as wheelnut said you die quicker and mostly from CANCER i can confirm this as most of our drivers die from this illness,and yes we do have yearly
checks but unless you go into hospital for a complete check up how can they find anything in a 30-40min check, sorry , they can not, SO if some one does not wish to have a licence then he has his or her reasons for that decision and they should be also taken into consideration as wellâŚ
No ADR for me thanks, too much like hard work and i prefer the easy life 
as said in the first post, the driver obviously didnât want an adr licence.
he doesnât sound like the type of person that would volunteer for something only to waste time and money (his own or someone elses).
i can imagine that he told his boss that he would rather be driving his truck instead of sitting in a classroom learning about something that he doesnât want to know.
at the end of the day you can take a horse to water but you canât make it drink.
a adr in the hands of someone like this man is a recipe for disaster, he is obviously uncomfortable with the idea of carrying haz goods so why force the issue.
having previously held a adr licence, passing the test is the easy bit, following all of the guidelines when you pick up a load and remembering what you have been taught is another thing completely.
i have no regrets letting my slip by, it was a nightmare, carrying this big bag everywhere with all this kit inside it, making sure my fire extinguishers were in date, ensuring i had my licence at all times and now itâs even worse with the shovel and the sand etc.
itâs obviously his bosses fault for not listening to him when he said he didnât want it.
If a driver has totally the wrong attitude whilst doing a training course, what attitude will he have when it comes to applying the new found knowledge to the job?
Probable answer = none!
With something as important as ADR, safety and the correct attitude is vital. Your life and the lives of others depend on it.
Someone sitting there saying he doesnât want to be there, should not be, and therefore if he is employed for ADR hazardous work - should not be doing the job.
Ask any employer if they take putting candidates through ADR lightly.
Most transport managers donât have a clue about chemical safety and the multitude of rules and regulations on the road, not only in our country, but all over Europe.
It is essential that the driver if he is doing that sort of work has the correct line of thought and attitude, or lives can be lost.
If a boss said to a driver, I want you to take an ADR course, and the driver didnât want to - why not just say no? Why waste firms money (courses cost ÂŁ500 approx), and time putting him through it?
I got stung a couple of months ago when I put a driver through ADR, but he didnât end up working for me.
It doesnât feel very nice when the bill comes in, and you have to pay it - especially when you get their pass certificate in the post a few weeks later.
My personal approach towards ADR as a company owner is thus -
If ADR is carried, we charge more.
If we charge more for ADR, then it is only fair that the driver gets extra pay for the massive amount of responsibility involved in ADR work. (Iâve done it for a good number of years.)
If I ask a driver if he wants to do ADR work and he says yes, I expect him to apply himself fully to the job, and that includes the training course as well, as this is where you learn the stuff that may very well save your life.
If a driver doesnât seem interested, I wouldnât consider him for a course.
If a firms bread and butter work was ADR, is said driver in the right job if he has got a negative attitude towards training?
It doesnât take a genius to answer that one.
If all my work was ADR, and I had a driver who didnât have the right attitude towards the necessary training, I too would want to replace him with someone who did.
You have to be able to look at all this from two sides. The managers, and the drivers. Some only look at it from one side though, and thats when sparks start to fly.
i think the fact is this driver never had any intention of passing this course so put no effort into it and he isnt a danger on the rd because of the adr because he wasnt going to pass anyway.
he shouldnt lose his job because i should imagine he told his gaffer he didnt want it in the first place.
I put myself through my ADR a couple of months ago and after reading this little lot I wish I hadnât.
ianyng:
I got stung a couple of months ago when I put a driver through ADR, but he didnât end up working for me.
It doesnât feel very nice when the bill comes in, and you have to pay it - especially when you get their pass certificate in the post a few weeks later.
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have you got a shredder â â 
I think its all been saidâŚbut lets assume that this driver relies entirely on his whole weeks wagesâŚto surviveâŚand then his boss says âŚyour on a course next weekâŚbut we can only pay you while your thereâŚwhat a worry that will be for him whe he has to rely on every pennyâŚand at the end of the adr course he is ÂŁ60/ÂŁ70 shortâŚno wonder hes got the humpâŚi used to have an ADR paid for at company expense and at full wages âŚi never lost a pennyâŚit actually earned me money for the company started to do a lot of adr workâŚbut its griefâŚdirty work.the ministry and the police are on your back constantly once they see those orange boards upâŚmine has run outâŚand i certainly would never take a week off or pay money to take the refresherâŚor as is now known âŚthe full course againâŚbut its everyones perogotive to do what he/she feels is right for themâŚ