I am currently coming to the end of an ADR course, which I have funded myself and taken a week off work to make it happen.
This happened yesterday/today and i just wanted to share it with you.
I arrived at the class yesterday morning to find a guy in is 50s sat in a seat in the class room. He was not there at the start of the course so I was surprised to see this new face. I bid him good morning and asked him if he was there to do a re-sit. I dont know he said!!! …thinking he might be in the wrong class. I asked if he was there for the ADR course. I dont want it, he said. He has remained dismissive and has made it very clear that he has no intention of listening to anything that has been said or taught.
We sat some of the papers today, it was absolutley clear that this person had no will or interest in passing the course. He also had a serious personal hygine problem.
I asked him who had funded his course, he said that he did not know or care.
I spoke to the tutor and he tells me his firm had paid for his course.
This guys attitude makes my blood boil. There are loads of drivers out there that would give their high teeth for the oportunity that has been afforded to this idiot.
I just hope his firm see sense ASAP and get the hell rid of him, what sort of image is this idiot giving our industry and more over his company.
it does,nt make him an idiot if he does,nt want to be there. he could have a real good reason.
he might have a job that does not involve adr. all of a sudden the boss turns around and says"hey guess what , where starting to do adr loads so im going to send you on a course for free.
his wages might not go up, even though there is more hassle.
another scenario could be that this guy could have been sent on the course so he can be a manager in charge of adr loads for his company (probably unlikely ) given the description. but maybe he does,nt want that responsibility, especially if it was a company who liked to bend the rules.
there are many possibilities as to why he did not want to be there and until you know the real reason its not nice to call the guy an idiot
ps, it was,nt me
Dave
It was clear to me that the guy was an idiot. If he did not want to be there thats fine. If his company have taken on ADR work and want him to drive for them and he is not up to it then they should help him to get up to speed. Dont disagree.If he has leaning difficulties, he should be given all the help in the world in order to get hom to the required level. I cant comment on his wages.
But if he wont help himself, how can anybody else■■?
The acccount I gave you was brief, just the high lights. He also said he did not want to be in the class as the course was French■■?
There is no way that this guy was being trained to be a manager.
But lets be 100% clear, for whatever reason, his company have tried to invest in his skills. If his company dont want to pay him more once he has passed he can vote with his feet.
I think I know the company he works for and from what I know they dont bend the rules.
I am really sorry, but there is no way that anyone would want this guy as a representative for their company.
perhaps the fact that he was in his fifties meant he just could not be bothered to learn anything new . we have drivers like that at our place to. ,they dont like changes to the norm.
If he had his head screwed on the right way, he could collar the ticket and then refuse to use it. I knew of some drivers who were on an ADR course with me, we were chatting before the start of the 1st tutorial, usual thing how much you getting to be here, 8hrs and meal allowance says i, nothing says these other 2 , so they refused to enter the class room rung their boss told him they wanted 8 hrs + meal allowance before they’d go into the class room, he needless to say agreed. The next day they came in with it in writing. Like they said if one company can pay that so can all, and they had him by the [zb’s], he would not have got his course fee back if they had walked out
Hey sunshine,why do you think you are better than this guy,what the ■■■■ do you know,most real drivers want to be out on the road and to be made to sit a class would [zb] not be their first choise of job for the week.
Edited as this post breaks the TruckNet rules on personal attacks - Coffeeholic
Although I can see both sides of the story, I tend to agree with Sunshine on this. I would never claim to be better than anyone but this bloke seems to have an attitude problem. He appears reluctant to further his knowledge and has no obvious interest in the industry, this to me definitely shows a lack of professionalism. Like mentioned, I think its fair to say most drivers would love an opportunity to do the ADR course even if it isn’t going to result in an immediate pay rise.
I dont think that I am better that this guy or anyone else on the course. I have neither said or wished to imply that.
Most of the guys on the course had far more experience than i could ever hope to have.
What I am trying to say is that if the transport industry is to have a future in the UK, attiutes such as this guys have no place. Lets just say, I am the owner of a local haulage company who is going to be looking to sub out a large amount of work. Do you honestly think I am going to give it to his company, should they tender for it,having seen him perform over the last 2/3 days.
I will tell you what I do know, image and attitude are 90% of getting a foot in the door, getting a contract or securing a job. I agree that a drivers place is not in the classroom, but he or she sometimes need to be there in order to gain new skills and qualifications.
I also notice that your post needed to be edited by the site. Enough said!!!
TO answer about the pro,s & con,s about holding a licence for ADR
PRO:: you will after passing the course be a holder of a licence to carry &
work with those class of goods that you have passsed a exam for.
It may be possible for you to get yourself employed in a firm where your
salary for a year may be in the region of24.000—33.000pounds for
a 48hour week,
you may find also that you now find it easy to get work at the agencey
and also the wage is better payed.
CON,s::: you have much more responsibility due to haveing the licence
for ADR,
you will be stopped and checked more often by the police-VOSA-BAG:
THE fines that you will be given when you have committed an offense
will be bigger( IN GERMANY 2-3 TIMES THE NORMAL PLUS POINTS
WHERE DUE)
WHEN you are checked and they find faults with your ADR kit it will cost
you also more money in fines,
When you are loaded you will have to carry out the necessacary instructions which will state where ,and what route you may take, and
there are many places where you are not allowed to travel through
ie, TUNNELS; WATER-CATCHMENT AREAS; NATURE RESERVES; etc,
YOU MAY ALSO FIND THAT YOU DO NOT GET ANY EXTRA WAGES
FOR TRANSPORTING ADR-HAZ–GOODS:::
these are just a few points and there are many more also as one person posted not every one wishes to have such a licence and that is
their right to say no in what ever way they wish,
I think its fair to say most drivers would love an opportunity to do the ADR course even if it isn’t going to result in an immediate pay rise.
mrpj,I don’t think driver’s nowaday’s are too bothered weather they have ADR ticket or not.The biggest problem is bosses will say yes i’ll give you £1 more for having ADR,when it comes to the crunch eh we can’t do it right now thing’s are a bit tight.And it seem’s be be brushed under the carpet.
We do our’s every 5 year’s which the company pay’s for,but if it was my own personnel choice i’d rather not have it.( can’t knock back a week off work and free grubb,all at company expence ) i mean let’s face it,the course ain’t difficult is it.if a boss of a company can understand it ( sunshine) then it’s got to be easy
Sunshine…Don’t get to overheated about this guy,the way to look at it is simple,he’s not with your company and after the course you won’t see him again.Just chill out and enjoy the course.good luck hope it goes well for you.
I think its fair to say most drivers would love an opportunity to do the ADR course even if it isn’t going to result in an immediate pay rise.
mrpj,I don’t think driver’s nowaday’s are too bothered weather they have ADR ticket or not.The biggest problem is bosses will say yes i’ll give you £1 more for having ADR,when it comes to the crunch eh we can’t do it right now thing’s are a bit tight.And it seem’s be be brushed under the carpet.
We do our’s every 5 year’s which the company pay’s for,but if it was my own personnel choice i’d rather not have it.( can’t knock back a week off work and free grubb,all at company expence ) i mean let’s face it,the course ain’t difficult is it.if a boss of a company can understand it ( sunshine) then it’s got to be easy
Sunshine…Don’t get to overheated about this guy,the way to look at it is simple,he’s not with your company and after the course you won’t see him again.Just chill out and enjoy the course.good luck hope it goes well for you.
Fair point, I believe jobs such as petrol tankers don’t pay the wages they used to but would it be fair to say that it can help you get a job if need be? I have also met drivers with an ADR who have a sense of pride (not arrogance) in their achiement, thats got to be worth something surely?
I work for DHL m8,( great company ) they ain’t that bad.There are worse out there,and better.i know what your saying sunshine,but remember there are bad egg’s in every basket.we have people in our company with bad attitudes,DHL call them manager’s .We have different names for them. as i said good luck.
Personaly I agree with Sunshine, These lessons are very expensive and there are a whole lot of drivers who are willing to be taught if someone else is paying!
When I first started work I was taught this.
Ask not what your company can do for you but, what can you do for your company!
I am currently coming to the end of an ADR course, which I have funded myself and taken a week off work to make it happen.
This happened yesterday/today and i just wanted to share it with you.
I arrived at the class yesterday morning to find a guy in is 50s sat in a seat in the class room. He was not there at the start of the course so I was surprised to see this new face. I bid him good morning and asked him if he was there to do a re-sit. I dont know he said!!! …thinking he might be in the wrong class. I asked if he was there for the ADR course. I dont want it, he said. He has remained dismissive and has made it very clear that he has no intention of listening to anything that has been said or taught.
We sat some of the papers today, it was absolutley clear that this person had no will or interest in passing the course. He also had a serious personal hygine problem.
I asked him who had funded his course, he said that he did not know or care.
I spoke to the tutor and he tells me his firm had paid for his course.
This guys attitude makes my blood boil. There are loads of drivers out there that would give their high teeth for the oportunity that has been afforded to this idiot.
I just hope his firm see sense ASAP and get the hell rid of him, what sort of image is this idiot giving our industry and more over his company.
Why are you advocating getting rid of a driver,when you are not in charge of him or any other driver,and never will be,what the hell gives you the right to say who should or should not be driving a truck.
As for the rubbish about image being 90% of the way to get a job most bosses want good drivers,not ponsed up prats.
I have had an ADR since the early `90,s and had it renewed every five years,each time I had it renewed it cost me loads in lost income due to the fact that I only got paid a flat 8nours instead of the 15hours aday out on the road,maybe this guy was the same, hardly makes the course an atractive one if someone is lost out on O/T
mrpj:
I think its fair to say most drivers would love an opportunity to do the ADR course even if it isn’t going to result in an immediate pay rise.
Not me.
I have had the chance to do it for free & earn considerably more but turned it down.
Unlike some Class1 drivers I have no problem driving 7.5’s or Class 2’s, I also don’t mind hand balling or doing some labouring once in a while, but I just don’t want several tons of potentially dangerous goods in the boot extra pay or not.
We are all different & each of us have the right to choose what kind of load we want to pull & it sounds like this guy is being given no choices by his boss.
It could even be that having been told do this ADR course or loose your job he has decided I’ll screw you for an extra weeks pay plus a course that you are forcing me to do & then I’ll go, in which case who’s stupid him or the boss whose paying out & still loosing a driver ?.
I am currently coming to the end of an ADR course, which I have funded myself and taken a week off work to make it happen.
This happened yesterday/today and i just wanted to share it with you.
I arrived at the class yesterday morning to find a guy in is 50s sat in a seat in the class room. He was not there at the start of the course so I was surprised to see this new face. I bid him good morning and asked him if he was there to do a re-sit. I dont know he said!!! …thinking he might be in the wrong class. I asked if he was there for the ADR course. I dont want it, he said. He has remained dismissive and has made it very clear that he has no intention of listening to anything that has been said or taught.
We sat some of the papers today, it was absolutley clear that this person had no will or interest in passing the course. He also had a serious personal hygine problem.
I asked him who had funded his course, he said that he did not know or care.
I spoke to the tutor and he tells me his firm had paid for his course.
This guys attitude makes my blood boil. There are loads of drivers out there that would give their high teeth for the oportunity that has been afforded to this idiot.
I just hope his firm see sense ASAP and get the hell rid of him, what sort of image is this idiot giving our industry and more over his company.
dont agree with you maybe he was bullied into doing when i was at freightliner they tried to bully a few drivers into doing it and the drivers turned up at the course and failed on purpose and there was nothing f/liner could do about it.
as for giving their eye teeth thats just crap… im a full adr driver and i wont be doing it again its just not worth it as i was doing it on containers you just try and stick the labels on in the rain or in the summer try and get labels to stick to a dry dusty box.
also most firms pay you extra for doing adr on containers some firms get a few quid a box but at f/liner they get nothing. and do you want to tug behind you 26 ton of toxic crap. for nothing extra.
mrpj:
I think its fair to say most drivers would love an opportunity to do the ADR course even if it isn’t going to result in an immediate pay rise.
Not me.
Me neither, I’ve avoided it over the years even when I could have got at no cost to me. No interest in doing it, grief booking on ferry crossings, extra grief when stopped in controls. No thanks it’s not for me, I prefer a simpler life at work without added complications.
Nor me. Have turned down the opportunity several times…I have no desire whatsoever to pull something which might go bang/ catch fire/ gas me/ poison me etc. for very little extra money, if any.
I have to say, if I was put in a position where it was a case of “Take the course or your fired”, then I go and fail…and whilst I doubt I would take my displeasure out on all and sundry like this guy did, you don’t know what grief he’d been getting in the background over it to make him that way.
Not condoning his behaviour, just empathising and making an allowance for the fact that he’s human…
,they dont like changes to the norm.
) they ain’t that bad.There are worse out there,and better.i know what your saying sunshine,but remember there are bad egg’s in every basket.we have people in our company with bad attitudes,DHL call them manager’s 
most bosses want good drivers,not ponsed up prats.
