I got 6 IBCs of Class 3 packing group 3 UN1866 resin that were rejected today. I have to travel through the Dartford crossing to get to my last drop tomorrow, do I need to stop and wait for the ■■■■■■ or can I drive straight through? The tunnel code app on my phone says o can travel through tunnels listed A to D but not E.
I thought ibc’s use x,y and z for packing groups, not 1,2 and 3. However, packing group 3 is usually straight through without ■■■■■■, 2 normally requires one. In any case you’ll have to present your paperwork to crossing control and they’ll tell you the sp
How do I get to crossing control? Never had ADR on when going through the tunnel before.
Take the last exit before the tunnel, straight over the roundabout then an immediate right into the holding area. Park in the lanes then go through the door on the left of the building, they’ll look at the DGNs and tell you what you need to do.
I see, I remember that road leads to the sainsburys RDC. Cheers guys.
That’s the one.
You’ll be allowed through (It’s a category C tunnel), but you’ve still got to stop so they can double-check your documents.
khdgsa:
You’ll be allowed through (It’s a category C tunnel), but you’ve still got to stop so they can double-check your documents.
What he said^^^ 
Don’t make eye contact with the DVSA if the’re knocking about lol
OVLOV JAY:
I thought ibc’s use x,y and z for packing groups, not 1,2 and 3. However, packing group 3 is usually straight through without ■■■■■■, 2 normally requires one. In any case you’ll have to present your paperwork to crossing control and they’ll tell you the sp
Hi Jay,
The X, Y and Z you mentioned are used as part of a UN package code to indicate which packing group(s) can be packed in IBCs, drums, boxes, jerricans and sacks etc.
Packing Groups for substances are always written on Transport Documents in Roman numerals to avoid us getting Packing Group numbers mixed up with Class numbers.
For instance, the substance in question is correctly written on a Transport Document as:
UN 1866 RESIN SOLUTION, 3, PGIII
This substance is in PGIII, so this means that a consignor can use a packaging that has either an “X” or a “Y” or a “Z” in the relevant part of the package code for the carriage of this substance, which comes just after the letters “UN” in a circle.
As an example, this is the first part of the code for a steel IBC:
The “Y” in the code means that PGII or PGIII substances are allowed to be carried in that IBC, but NOT PGI
dieseldave:
OVLOV JAY:
I thought ibc’s use x,y and z for packing groups, not 1,2 and 3. However, packing group 3 is usually straight through without ■■■■■■, 2 normally requires one. In any case you’ll have to present your paperwork to crossing control and they’ll tell you the spHi Jay,
The X, Y and Z you mentioned are used as part of a UN package code to indicate which packing group(s) can be packed in IBCs, drums, boxes, jerricans and sacks etc.
Packing Groups for substances are always written on Transport Documents in Roman numerals to avoid us getting Packing Group numbers mixed up with Class numbers.
For instance, the substance in question is correctly written on a Transport Document as:
UN 1866 RESIN SOLUTION, 3, PGIII
This substance is in PGIII, so this means that a consignor can use a packaging that has either an “X” or a “Y” or a “Z” in the relevant part of the package code for the carriage of this substance, which comes just after the letters “UN” in a circle.
As an example, this is the first part of the code for a steel IBC:
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The “Y” in the code means that PGII or PGIII substances are allowed to be carried in that IBC, but NOT PGI
Funny enough after I posted that while I was loading groupage, and saw on my dgn that I had pg2 in an ibc. I think it was in my mind as mentioned at the same time as drums. Funny what sticks and what gets obscured
How many vehicles allowed in a ■■■■■■? I fell foul of this many years ago, number 5, they got very upset…
OVLOV JAY:
Funny enough after I posted that while I was loading groupage, and saw on my dgn that I had pg2 in an ibc. I think it was in my mind as mentioned at the same time as drums. Funny what sticks and what gets obscured
You’re right about that Jay, but what you said earlier was spot-on in relation to IBCs, but the little bit that you might have forgotten is that it also relates to other forms of package (except gas cylinders.)
It’s quite easy to get a bit muddled between the way that Packing Groups are expressed on paperwork and packages, cos it’s so different!
If in doubt always go to the controls office, often the officer in the lanes will send you straight out if you don’t need the ■■■■■■ .
I have had strange ones of LQ that don’t need placards but do need to report and go in convoy , motorsport fuel for scientific testing , but they always advise that placards be used .
The crossing website gives good information on procedures of the need to report etc . They are usually pretty impressed if you tell them the page number in their reference book !
As with all things if you are polite and respectful they will treat you the same and can be very helpful .
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U can check at adrquiz.com/adrdartford.php
wert1973:
U can check at adrquiz.com/adrdartford.php
That’s a fair point mate, but I’d advise folks to always read the disclaimer before installing any of this type of App.
The other thing folks should keep in mind is that IF a regulated road tunnel is on your route, the consignor has to put the ADR Tunnel Code (in brackets) on your ADR Transport Document ( = delivery note) at the end of the description of dangerous goods carried.
Sometimes a consignor tells porky pies, so it’s always best to check with your boss, or your company’s DGSA, to get the best answer.
The tunnel at Angers is 1689 m long . Basically banned to ADR- (class E ) 30,000 euro fine and a year in prison for not obeying, and it’s not hard. The diversion goes through Angers, slow but not difficult.(Not like Paris)
My company sacked a driver on the spot after they got a 5,000 euro fine for a Methane tanker in the tunnel.
(Not related to Dartford, but an example of the risk of not checking and being found wanting)(But a Methane tanker is a Methane tanker not groupage)
OwenMoney:
My company sacked a driver on the spot after they got a 5,000 euro fine for a Methane tanker in the tunnel.
Hi Owen,
There are two UN numbers for Methane, but they both have the same ADR Tunnel Code (B/D)
When carriage of either of those UN numbers (UN 1971 and UN 1972) is performed by a tank, the applicable Tunnel Code is B.
A ‘B’ Tunnel Code for the substance being carried means that the vehicle cannot go through any tunnel that has any restriction, but can go through those tunnels without restriction, which are easily spotted by the lack of signs indicating… a restriction.
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Jumping an old topic but if I am on ■■■■■■ tomorrow (unsure yet as I’m unaware of un no’s/ or packing groups) is it generally quicker to wait for enough vehicles to begin the ■■■■■■, or go the long way round M25? (Travelling Tonbridge to Manchester)