I thought it was going to make the oceans more acidic and warmer and kill most of the fish?
Dunno
Is ice cap meltwater acidic?
Either way…some species will prosper,and evolution will carry on,as always.
BTW did you know that there were only 11 male bitterns in this country,in the 90s.
Now there are 238.
Scientists attribute this to increased habitat.
So did someone discover a new Norfolk broads or something?
Or did they realise,you don’t have to live in Norfolk,to find fish amphibians and insects,to eat
I assume you dont heat your home, dont drive anywhere and dont fly?
Dont consume electronic goods?
If you do, you are part of the problem.
See what i mean?
It aint ever going to happen. If theybwere so worried, the scientists would be leading by example and not leaving it to a hysterical teenage girl to do it…
What caused the huge heating of the Earth prior to the Industrial Revolution then?
Dinosaurs’ ■■■■■?
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Well I don’t fly much no - maybe once in 20 years. I drive maybe 100 miles a week but if they changed to a 4 day week that would suit me. Watch a bit of telly and a tablet - I try to wash my behind on a daily basis if possible. I think it’s something like the richest 10% make 90% of the flights - make those buggers fly less and we’re laughing.
Scientists don’t really have any power do they - energy companies with governments in their pockets and billionaires like Murdoch are more the problem - Murdoch is one of these “It doesn’t feel right in my water” about climate change. I remember him explaining why he doesn’t think it’s true and it was like listening to a monty python sketch - “If a duck weighs the same as a block of wood, then it floats, therefore…IT’S A WITCH”. I remember when people who were clueless about evolution used to say “If evolution is true why arn’t chimpanzees turning into humans now”. It’s the same with any complex subject - to actually learn what’s true takes so much effort that most people would rather break wind and roll over. I don’t have much hope for the planet no.
I thought it was going to make the oceans more acidic and warmer and kill most of the fish?
Dunno
Is ice cap meltwater acidic?
Either way…some species will prosper,and evolution will carry on,as always.
BTW did you know that there were only 11 male bitterns in this country,in the 90s.
Now there are 238.
Scientists attribute this to increased habitat.
So did someone discover a new Norfolk broads or something?
Or did they realise,you don’t have to live in Norfolk,to find fish amphibians and insects,to eat
I’m no expert but I think the oceans absorb CO2 which makes them acidic - I think that’s why the great barrier reef is dying off.
Yeah there’s a few success stories with wildlife coming back isn’t there - gives you a bit of hope. And before the internet in those days all you had to do to pass the time of day was to go out and shoot something so maybe they’re staying indoors watching netflix rather than going out laying snares and killing things.
One of the best things I’ve noticed - just in the last 4 or 5 years - is they’ve stopped cutting grass all the time to make it “look nice”. Sure, it looks nice but there’s no food for any insects/bees etc. 20 years ago when you came back from a long drive the windscreen would be plastered with insects - now you can drive for a month and never see an insect splatted on the windscreen.
The sea IS 30% more acidic,now…than it was before the industrial revolution.
However,there are dace that live in lakes in Japan,that have a ph of between 3.8 and 3.4.
Amazing.
JeffA:
I’m no expert but I think the oceans absorb CO2 which makes them acidic - I think that’s why the great barrier reef is dying off.
Whilst it is true that absorption of CO2 does tend to change a solution’s pH towards the acidic, it has been accepted by nearly all coral researchers since the early 2000’s that bleaching and coral reef death (the coral animal cannot manage without it’s algal component) is caused by increased sea water temperature. Corals generally exist at the limits of their tolerance range and it doesn’t take much to push them over the edge.
commonrail:
The sea IS 30% more acidic,now…than it was before the industrial revolution.
However,there are dace that live in lakes in Japan,that have a ph of between 3.8 and 3.4.
Amazing.
25% would be nearer the mark, but quoting the figures like that gives non-scientists the wrong impression
Prior to the Industrial Revolution, average ocean pH was about 8.2. Today, average ocean pH is about 8.1. This might not seem like much of a difference, but the relationship between pH and acidity is not direct. Each decrease of one pH unit is a ten-fold increase in acidity. This means that the acidity of the ocean today, on average, is about 25% greater than it was during preindustrial times. epa.gov/ocean-acidification … bout%208.1.
It needs to be understood that the pH scale is logarithmic
whoi.edu/oceanus/feature/sm … %20acidity.
Interestingly,aquatic plant growers will lower the pH of their tanks by one whole ph point for approx 6 hours per day…without any ill effects on livestock.
It’s nice to see that our resident “consumed by jealousy and full of bitterness towards anyone who has had the success that I’ve failed spectacularly at” after being flamed has now turned into full on Greta. Way to go cowboy.
JeffA:
. I don’t have much hope for the planet no.
After 4.5 Billion years? [emoji15] I think it will be just fine.
It wasn’t like it is now for 4.5 billion years tho. It was a ball of lava for a while.
Exactly, it’s like this after being a ball of lava, and if it turned back into a ball of lava, it would turn again into something like this or better again.
JeffA:
. I don’t have much hope for the planet no.
After 4.5 Billion years? [emoji15] I think it will be just fine.
The planet will go on, for several billion years more, but I think people tend to mean “the human race” when they talk about “the planet”. Unless you’re a God-botherer and believe we are God’s special creature, the inescapable fact is that every species will at some point become extinct, either by dying out suddenly, or having at some point evolved into a different species.
So far we Homo sapiens have been around for about 200,000 years, in planetary terms that’s not even as long as the blink of an eye. Compare that to the Horseshoe Crab (Limulus) which appears to be virtually unchanged for about 500 million years (NB, it’s not actually a crab, it’s more closely related to spiders, ticks, and scorpions).
Or the Coelacanth, the last representative of the type of fish (sarcopterygian) which evolved into the first land vertebrate. Up until between the 1930s to1950s, we believed these died out at the end of the Cretaceous Period (with most of the dinosaurs). Then it was discovered that Indian ocean fishermen had been pulling these up in their nets for some time. Not only are these “living fossils” not extinct, but we can still see them surviving at depths from 90 metres downwards, depths accessible even for recreational technical divers. Our modern-day coelocanths are virtually unchanged from their ancestors of 150 million to 65 million years ago. youtube.com/watch?v=4jl_txxYQEA
The EU’s taking climate change seriously with the first chapter of the ‘Fit for 55’ green deal to install 150kw fast chargers every 60km along all main transport corridors by 2025 for cars & every 100km for heavy duty trucks by 2030 with those fast chargers being a minimum of 350kw. I wonder if Blighty is going to do the same as we underpin their climate standards & emission reductions? I wont hold me breath. electrek.co/2023/07/25/eu-passe … dors-2025/
JeffA:
. I don’t have much hope for the planet no.
After 4.5 Billion years? [emoji15] I think it will be just fine.
It wasn’t like it is now for 4.5 billion years tho. It was a ball of lava for a while.
Exactly, it’s like this after being a ball of lava, and if it turned back into a ball of lava, it would turn again into something like this or better again.
Depends - I read once years ago that Venus was once more earth like till a runaway greenhouse effect happened - since then it’s just been burning hot and raining sulphuric acid.
JeffA:
. I don’t have much hope for the planet no.
After 4.5 Billion years? [emoji15] I think it will be just fine.
The planet will go on, for several billion years more, but I think people tend to mean “the human race” when they talk about “the planet”. Unless you’re a God-botherer and believe we are God’s special creature, the inescapable fact is that every species will at some point become extinct, either by dying out suddenly, or having at some point evolved into a different species.
So far we Homo sapiens have been around for about 200,000 years, in planetary terms that’s not even as long as the blink of an eye. Compare that to the Horseshoe Crab (Limulus) which appears to be virtually unchanged for about 500 million years (NB, it’s not actually a crab, it’s more closely related to spiders, ticks, and scorpions).
Or the Coelacanth, the last representative of the type of fish (sarcopterygian) which evolved into the first land vertebrate. Up until between the 1930s to1950s, we believed these died out at the end of the Cretaceous Period (with most of the dinosaurs). Then it was discovered that Indian ocean fishermen had been pulling these up in their nets for some time. Not only are these “living fossils” not extinct, but we can still see them surviving at depths from 90 metres downwards, depths accessible even for recreational technical divers. Our modern-day coelocanths are virtually unchanged from their ancestors of 150 million to 65 million years ago. youtube.com/watch?v=4jl_txxYQEA
I’m not so bothered about the human race - they’re just a blight on all life and the planet - I find it sad that all other animal/plant life will be so badly affected/wiped out.
Interesting that the climate change seems to be happening at a faster rate than anyone expected - some suspicion now that the gulf stream could collapse in the next couple of years which would be a catastrophe. Looks like we could be completely shagged within our own lifetimes never mind 300 years. Never mind moaning about migrants now - if the gulf stream goes half of Africa and Asia will be heading here.
JeffA:
. I don’t have much hope for the planet no.
After 4.5 Billion years? [emoji15] I think it will be just fine.
It wasn’t like it is now for 4.5 billion years tho. It was a ball of lava for a while.
Exactly, it’s like this after being a ball of lava, and if it turned back into a ball of lava, it would turn again into something like this or better again.
Depends - I read once years ago that Venus was once more earth like till a runaway greenhouse effect happened - since then it’s just been burning hot and raining sulphuric acid.
JeffA:
. Never mind moaning about migrants now - if the gulf stream goes half of Africa and Asia will be heading here.
What’s the gulf stream got to do with Africa/Asia. I thought it warmed the UK/Europe?
Also affects rainfall across Africa/India/Asia - massive droughts. Billions of people won’t be able to grow any food or get drinking water. Just a study so far tho - with a a bit of luck it might be a false alarm. For now at least.
That would be funny tho - a billion migrants at Calais - every British person with a house will be required to put up 50 migrants (in each room). Farage would be bellyaching at that
