cant belive it how ■■■■ is the cpc and they dont even tell you what you did wrong i dont understand it at least on the driving test they tell you how and why you failed 
danj:
cant belive it how [zb] is the cpc and they dont even tell you what you did wrong i dont understand it at least on the driving test they tell you how and why you failed
mate put an appeal in. take the ■■■■ who examined u to court, thats not right
already read the appeal paragraph on the back and you cannot appeal about failing you can only appeal if you feel the test wasnt carried out within the guidelines set out by law then you can go to court and the best you will get is a re-test f.o.c but by the time ive done all that the dsa will have invented another 2 taxes i mean tests sorry . it just makes you feel thick i have done 3 theory tests 2 hazard perception tests and a cpc mod 2 in the last few years for different vehicles and not even come close to failing this is a bitter pill to swallow. 
You can fail like that unfortunatley, basically you need to read the book in full ‘dsa guide to driving goods vehicles’ learn in full the knowledge in it, then take the supplementary course on load restraint, vehicle checks, traveling accross borders, then you have a chance, but if you are unsure on any of the five questions you fail as each question is loaded at 20% and you need 3/4 minimum of that on each question. I’m guessing the op scored max marks on the first 4 then only half marks on the last question.
Dont beat yourself up too much mate both me and two other chaps failed first time on it at the school.
yes failed on vehicle checks i have been reading up on this for weeks and feel i have learned it very well but failed on vehicle checks (walk round internal ex ternal checks) but i really cant understand what i missed except for tyres but surely thats not 10% of the overall mark
DSA OPERATING PROCEDURES Page 186 of 271
10: The Driver CPC Module 4 Practical Safety Demonstration Test
10.13 DE-BRIEF
At the end of the test the examiner should offer the candidate a debrief, which is intended to give an overview of their performance.A debrief on a pass should concentrate on praising the topic areas in which the candidate did well and point out any areas (if any) where there was a slight weakness.
For failed candidates, the Examiner should refer to the CPC4C form (candidates copy) and comment very briefly on the topic areas where performance was unacceptable; making reference to reading the topic overview(s).
If the candidate wants to discuss the test in greater detail, it should be explained that examiners are not permitted to do this. However, to be helpful, the examiner should suggest that their comments about the items marked be relayed (by the candidate) to their instructor, who should be able to provide the detail required.
An example debrief could take the form:
‘…Referring to this form (CPC4C) you’ll notice that you didn’t score too well in the ‘Security of your vehicle and contents’ topic area. You are advised to read the subject overview for this topic area… it may help you to discuss this with your instructor…’Examiners must avoid being drawn into discussion on specific questions.
Candidates should be encouraged to read the explanatory markings and to research appropriate resource materials. The DSA Official Guides (publications) ‘Driving Buses and Coaches’, ‘Driving Goods Vehicles’ and ‘Driver CPC for Professional Bus and Coach Drivers’ contain all necessary learning resource materials to be successful in the Module 4 Practical Safety Demonstration Test.
If the instructor/trainer/accompanying driver is present for the decision & de-brief, the examiner should ask: ‘would you like you’re (instructor/trainer/accompanying driver) to be present for the conclusion of the test?’ If the instructor/trainer/accompanying driver is not present the question should not be asked.
If at any time the instructor/trainer/accompanying driver comes over to the vehicle to listen to the conclusion of the test, and de-brief is to be given, the examiner must ask the candidate whether they want their instructor/trainer/accompanying driver present.
If the candidate elects not to have their instructor/accompanying driver present for the decision & de-brief, then the examiner should ensure that the candidate’s request is complied with.
If in exceptional circumstances, an examiner decides not to give an explanation, full reasons for the decision should be noted on the CPC4B Rev.
Where a candidate refuses the de-brief, the examiner should give their opinion as to why, or any explanation given by the candidate, on the back of the CPC4B. The ‘Debrief’ box on the CPC4A should accordingly not be marked.
If a candidate argues or becomes abusive, or so upset that an explanation is obviously of no value, the examiner should abandon the attempt and a brief note should be made on the CPC4B Rev.
my instructor was their with me for the so called de-brief which was sorry youve failed on the last question which is on the abillity to asses emergency situations. my last question was the walk round check external and internal. when you feel their is nothing else except for the tyres you can think of what help is that or if not help guidance i thought the dsa would want to help you learn from your mistakes and ensure the all round ability of candidates was the main priority when some people dont have to do this although taking the same driving tests as they received their first licence before june 1997. i can accept failing but for the money you pay for half an hour you would think a little guidance is not much to ask.
danj:
i can accept failing but for the money you pay for half an hour you would think a little guidance is not much to ask.
There realy needs to be a review of this, especially with the amount of well instructed people who bear in mind HAVE PASSED THEIR DRIVING TEST being tripped up by unfair beurocracy.
it happen to me too, I’ve scored 90% in the test and I fail the first time for vehicles checks,external checks was everything good I’ve told the examiner so many things about external checks that he told me to stop, then when I went in the cabin for other checks I forgot to check for the limiter and the rolling brake test,because of that he fail me, the next time up I had another examiner and he asked me the same questions and got a pass 95 %, my instructor told me every time the examiner ask you a question keep talking say all that you think off about that question until he tells you to stop like that he realise you know what you are talking about,good luck next time 
thankyou oh well at least i passed my driving test 1st time could be worse lol still its not the £55 that you have to pay its the time and fuel for the truck and the instructor i think this could be put as 1 test with your driving and the dsa could give you better revision material like the theory and hazard test both have good revision material. 
danj:
thankyou oh well at least i passed my driving test 1st time could be worse lol still its not the £55 that you have to pay its the time and fuel for the truck and the instructor i think this could be put as 1 test with your driving and the dsa could give you better revision material like the theory and hazard test both have good revision material.
Hang on… some of that (£25 I think) is for the DQC so that part of it should not be paid twice !!
I’ve called the number in my signature below to confirm or deny this - should get answer tomorrow
i will contact the dsa tomorrow to find out but i bet they charge the full amount remember this is a stealth tax on people who want to work. like everything else those that do get done those that dont just dont wheres the great in great britain gone 
The question has already been asked and you are right part of the £55 goes to the cost of the card however a retest is still £55!
There is starting to be differences in examiner approach aswell with some just standing on the area and banging questions at the candidate without expecting any demonstration!
The load restraint rig makes only a rare appearance at some test centres!
danj:
i will contact the dsa tomorrow to find out but i bet they charge the full amount remember this is a stealth tax on people who want to work. like everything else those that do get done those that dont just dont wheres the great in great britain gone
It would be harsh to describe this as a stealth tax as it is designed to increase the awarness and knowledge of drivers entering the industry. At the end of the day you failed and i think you mentioned you did not check your tyres which is fairly fundamental. The idea is that if you are not going to check your tyres under test conditions then you would probably not at 0400 at the start of a shift!
You could always go to Poland and spend 280 hours in a classroom like they have to now.
The only real stealth tax is the £8.75 upload fee for each training session that you do to keep your qualification. This will generate about £8 million each year for just providing a database!
burnie1:
The question has already been asked and you are right part of the £55 goes to the cost of the card however a retest is still £55!
If I get the same answer tomorrow then I will get my contact to instigate an investigation
thankyou bernie for your comments as you say its a bit harsh to call it a steath tax i will take that on board but if it isnt why is the resit still £55 i understand i failed and i will pass it next time and as for forgeting under exam conditions i dont think you are under the same pressure on a daily basis on your own but as i stated at the begining is that 10% of 1 question i think not. the feedback would have been more beneficial to anyone to learn from their mistakes if pointed out. i have never driven a truck before i did my class 2 and did not have the benefit of being round them so i appologise for being a learner but that is the point i am a learner and want to learn.
As I understand the way the test is marked you cannot possibly fail if you get 90%.
As the overall pass mark is 80%, and you have to achieve at least 75% in each topic, there is no way that by only deducting 10% anywhere you could have failed!
Smart Mart:
As I understand the way the test is marked you cannot possibly fail if you get 90%.As the overall pass mark is 80%, and you have to achieve at least 75% in each topic, there is no way that by only deducting 10% anywhere you could have failed!
You must achieve a minimum of 15 out of 20 in each subject area so 20x4=80+ 1x10 total 90% -constitutes a fail
Only guaranteed pass mark is 95%
chevmac:
Smart Mart:
As I understand the way the test is marked you cannot possibly fail if you get 90%.As the overall pass mark is 80%, and you have to achieve at least 75% in each topic, there is no way that by only deducting 10% anywhere you could have failed!
You must a minimum of 15 out of 20 in each subject area so 20x4=80+ 1x10 total 90% -constitutes a fail
Only guaranteed pass mark is 95%
Either your maths or mine are wrong - I’ll let you know!
sorry smart mart but i can assure you its correct you need a minimum of 15% per question. i wouldnt have to pay another £115 pound if it was not true thats not for the test it includes time of training company as well for 1 1/2 hours as nearest test centre in 30 mins away