He needed to get back to watch the ladies football.
Noremac:
He needed to get back to watch the ladies football.
I have watched bits of games tbh…but maybe for all the wrong reasons. 
robroy:
Noremac:
He needed to get back to watch the ladies football.
I have watched bits of games tbh…but maybe for all the wrong reasons.
I’m a big fan…
Of ladies beach volleyball. For all the wrong reasons.
robroy:
Noremac:
He needed to get back to watch the ladies football.
I have watched bits of games tbh…but maybe for all the wrong reasons.
In the very old days! they used to interview the players after the match in the bath-can’t see that happening in Oz 
SWEDISH BLUE:
I would have driven into MSA, drive through slowly,looking for a parking place, then driven out to get to “safe parking”.
Sorry officer, there were no spaces.
I once got approached by vosa, after I’d driven through Cobham services, and ended up parking on the out-east sliproad, stuck on 4hrs28mins driving as I was.
They merely asked me to back up about 20 feet, as it ‘would be safer for other road users’ if I was a bit better “tucked in”.
Otherwise, there was no complaint at the reasons I’d parked where I had… I wasn’t going to be getting to the next MSA on my way (Clacket Lane) in 2 minutes - was I?
I wouldn’t give it a second thought I had a 4.37 and a 4.33 in one week and got a tug in Switzerland the next week the official wasn’t interested downloaded card and head 10 mins later I was on me way no problems
robthedog:
I wouldn’t give it a second thought I had a 4.37 and a 4.33 in one week and got a tug in Switzerland the next week the official wasn’t interested downloaded card and head 10 mins later I was on me way no problems
Exactly!..I DIDN’T give it a second thought,!..
Well not about what actually happened anyway…in actual fact I couldn’t gaf about being over my time …that wasn’t/isn’t the issue. 
My query was concerning the hypothesis of having a major accident in those 7 minutes, after I passed a MSA designated truck park where I would have been within my legal hours, to knowingly and intentionally drive over my time to the next one.
Does having a valuable load on, carry any clout in a court if law in that scenario,?..and who is to say the MSA was not safe anyway,.surely that is a matter of (my boss’s ) opinion.and open to refutement and argument.
Can’t really see how I can make it any clearer…but hey ho.
This very subject came up on cpc ( is it becoming a bit too I’ll just write on printer roll
Excuse for authorities) , so I can park where I want
Apparently you stop at next available ■■■■■■■■■■■■ as continuing you are putting other road users safety at risk , no if / buts , other lads chipped in with what about if there’s no available parking spots ( apparently cameras will prove that , and have ) , high value loads ( you/ planner / company should make sure you can park in safe / secure parking within your hours )
I just wanted course to be over ASAP so didn’t get involved , but he did go on about it for a long time , I’ve heard nothing from my lot on subject , but lots of lads from other companies so maybe there having issues , but jist is I’ll park where I want , writing on a print out is all the cover I need , won’t wash with dvsa , safety comes first !!
My own feeling is 99% of the time you’ll never hear anymore , involved in a accident & investigation shows you continued you’ll be in trouble , when I went to court I’m glad I didn’t lie as they had proof of everything , amazing the lengths theyl go too
Anyway rob was the meal in the pub you wanted to get too good !!! Ha ha
A transport company did lie in court until the paper trail caught them out with a bank statement evidence, bank card purchases for location and timing, ferry times, manifest and CMR evidence, delivery and loading locations and cctv evidence that got the two brothers five years for fraud and their drivers jail time for removing the whole tachograph machine to hide evidence of 23 hour shifts with no rest or breaks.
A routine DVSA enforcement picked an anomaly on a random roadside check.
Henry Stephens:
A transport company did lie in court until the paper trail caught them out with a bank statement evidence, bank card purchases for location and timing, ferry times, manifest and CMR evidence, delivery and loading locations and cctv evidence that got the two brothers five years for fraud and their drivers jail time for removing the whole tachograph machine to hide evidence of 23 hour shifts with no rest or breaks.A routine DVSA enforcement picked an anomaly on a random roadside check.
Are you talking about this case or a different one?
Three men convicted of “industrial scale” tachograph manipulation have been jailed for a total of nine years at Preston Crown Court. Darren Millington of Hinstock, Shrops and Stephen Young of Goldthorn Ave, Wolverhampton were convicted of conspiracy to falsify drivers’ records and money laundering following a five-week trial. A third defendant, Benjamin Hayton of ■■■■■■■■■■ Avenue, […]
motortransport.co.uk/blog/2019/ … ipulation/
Thanks for putting that one up but it was Boyles transport.
dozy:
This very subject came up on cpc ( is it becoming a bit too I’ll just write on printer roll
Excuse for authorities) , so I can park where I want
Apparently you stop at next available ■■■■■■■■■■■■ as continuing you are putting other road users safety at risk , no if / buts , other lads chipped in with what about if there’s no available parking spots ( apparently cameras will prove that , and have ) , high value loads ( you/ planner / company should make sure you can park in safe / secure parking within your hours )
I just wanted course to be over ASAP so didn’t get involved , but he did go on about it for a long time , I’ve heard nothing from my lot on subject , but lots of lads from other companies so maybe there having issues , but jist is I’ll park where I want , writing on a print out is all the cover I need , won’t wash with dvsa , safety comes first !!
My own feeling is 99% of the time you’ll never hear anymore , involved in a accident & investigation shows you continued you’ll be in trouble , when I went to court I’m glad I didn’t lie as they had proof of everything , amazing the lengths theyl go too
Anyway rob was the meal in the pub you wanted to get too good !!! Ha ha
At last, pleased somebody has grasped my point…ooerrr Mrs.
Exactly what I thought doze,.all fine and dandy when nothing happens,.go over your time intentionally with the valid excuse that the first available designated parking place was unsuitable for a high value load, printout etc …job done everything is cool. 
But …
On other hand in those 7 mins when you should be parked up,.sh hits fan big style, some prick in a car cuts in on you ,.brakes you go over him, and he’s brown bread.
They check your card, arrest you. etc etc
You give your explanation about unsafe MSA, and the prosecution does some digging to see how much load theft had gone on in that MSA in the past,.and it comes back at something like say 3 recorded cases in 5 years with the thousands of trucks parked there in that time…
So is that a valid excuse in a court of law? …especially when the anti truck brigade and the guy’s family are baying for your blood.
I reckon not.
So there I am tucked up in a cell in Durham nick,.and all because of an ubsubstantiated random opinion of my boss. 
Btw doze, meal was ok,.but price of a pint was shocking…I’m a Spoons £1.70 a pint man ffs.
I repeat what I said earlier on Page 1, some of it was tongue in cheek but not all of it.
Given being involved in a fatal during those 7 minutes you would almost certainly be arrested to get you away from the scene and also at a psychological disadvantage. Possibly if you had only been rear ended and it was clear that you were not the cause then maybe not.
The rest of my previous post would probably follow on the basis of the controlling senior appointments in the various organisations (authorities) wanting to be seen to take some action to justify their existence, that regardless of what those physically responding to the incident might conclude.
I would not be banking on any Jury being able to understand the situation of having what seemed to be a reasonable plan being taken away from you by congestion and then the employer’s instructions. However it is not as if you are an airline pilot confronted with finding that maybe you haven’t got quite enough fuel to reach the intended destination and ignore a possible diversion airport. A good barrister would likely be needed.
robroy:
Asked the boss what he thought this morning.
Was told…
‘Don’t worry, the high value load takes precedence in the end…100 %’':
unquote.So that definitely put my mind at rest as I believed EVERY word… (NOT)
It takes precedence for him and the company, because if anything did go ■■■■ up ,its on the driver.
Ok thanks for the replies, looks like it has all been covered.
Just as I thought (or maybe knew) if the sh did hit the fan I’d be totally rubber ducked, and especially if as cav suggested that I would need a good brief,.as I certainly could not afford a quality one,.and the firm sure as hell would not fund it, more likely I’d be chucked under the bus …again.
Still had an Ace up my sleeve for what it was worth,.the recorded phone call,.so if I did go down somebody was going down there with me. 
Cheers.
Jeez, is Rob still running free after committing that heinious crime? We’re all doomed
Beau Nydel:
Jeez, is Rob still running free after committing that heinious crime? We’re all doomed
I’m fireproof mate …didnt ya know?
Made of Teflon.
Henry Stephens:
A transport company did lie in court until the paper trail caught them out with a bank statement evidence, bank card purchases for location and timing, ferry times, manifest and CMR evidence, delivery and loading locations and cctv evidence that got the two brothers five years for fraud and their drivers jail time for removing the whole tachograph machine to hide evidence of 23 hour shifts with no rest or breaks.A routine DVSA enforcement picked an anomaly on a random roadside check.
According to my company compliance officer dvsa spent 1 1/2 yrs investigating me ( I well believe it as he would often ring / meet me to download tachometer , I’d get phone calls to pull into next depot & download tacho) , this was all for 1 offence of mins driving without a card in , they according to compliance bloke didn’t believe it was a one off offence
In court they had pics of exactly where I took out card , route I’d used , details of any claims I’d made ( fire on a13 ) etc
So if theyl goto that extent for what the dvsa solicitor claimed was a Nothing offence before we went into court ( my mrs had a go at him after as how was I being fined £776 for a nothing offence ) then in the event of a accident , injuries I’d of thought they’d go after you , no stone unturned
That said when everyone was loosing there head , clerk of court going on about custodial sentence , dvsa solicitor on about suspension of lisense , before tc , tc I think see it all for what it was , and just issued a caution via a letter
It like I’ve said above 99 % of the time you’d hear nothing doing what rob did ( same as me 15 / 20 yrs vosa no interest in me ) then your involved in accident , or in my case a vosa stop & it’s a bloody lot of trouble , it cost me nigh on £2,000 including time off waiting for lisense ,lot of money & hassle that doesn’t end at court case