Juddian made a valid point about they would soon change their tune if they stopped a belligerent driver and would receive different and a more thorough inspection, this is known as the attitude test and passing it goes a long way to being delayed all day at a checkpoint.
The RPU with the CVU of the police could have stung me big time as I said i was too ill to do something I should have done, a nice fella too, I was polite and so was he.
Years ago when using paper disc analogue charts formally known as frisbees, I was over driving and working hours on multiple occasions but wrote the reasons why on the back in my perfect French.
The weather was atrocious with ice and snow , I got a tug or pulled by the French ministry of transport inspector and sat in the back of his van that had an office with a table , he was impressed with my excuses and no further action but could have a had a field day with court deposits or big fines.
Peirre, you know how to make me jealous with your stay in Portugal and I hope you ask the bar man or lady to add the red fruit syrup Groselha to the Super Bock or Sagres beer, they call it a Tango.
Also enjoy your Franchesina foot high sandwich topped with hot spicy gravy, the bacalhau cod cakes, tripe , cabbage soup, don’t knock it until you have tried it!
robroy:
Right firstly just to stress here, I ain’t getting stressed out, and ■■■■■■■■ myself or anything,.because I drove over my time
I did a printout and explanation,.so job sorted,.
I just want to know (from guys who know more about this sort of crap than I do,…) . how I would have stood in eyes of law in certain unforseen and unfortunate circumstances.
Cheers.
So…Coming back up M6, heading towards relatively secure truckstop, would have had about 10 mins to spare according to plan.
Came up against congestion on M6, had a valuable load on,.stuck there 5 to 10 mins.
I decided then I would be over my spreadover of 15 hours so thought about stopping at next MSA instead (yeah I know ) in which case I would be ok on time.
Rang up explaining situation…,
Was told on no account to park in MSA due to lack of load security,.and to carry on to truckstop, which I did and was 7 mins over my spreadover.
So, as I said, printout to explain, shower,.meal, pint… no real dramas,.everything cool.
BUT my question is…
If in those 7 mins after intentionally passing the MSA, a severe ■■■■ up scenario happened,.,.
Would the fact that the reason I drove over my time was (only) for load security purposes,. and the fact if being actually told to do so, be mitigating circumstances in the eyes of the law, if my arse was on the line…■■
Would I be facing a legal [zb] storm for doing so,.even though I could have lost my job if I had ignored instructions, and got robbed through the night.
I ain’t stupid btw I recorded the phone call telling me to carry on over.as some sort of damage limitation/arse covering attempt,…(as I would expect no co. backing true to form. )
Just curious that’s all.
I remember tee sport drivers pulling there cards at rugby / ferrybridge & driving back to teesport , when stopped questioned they said they were day shift drivers so wernt doing nights out , this went before court / tc as drivers said runs they were being given were possible to do , my memory is drivers had licenses suspended , planers were exonerated of any
robroy:
I ain’t stupid btw I recorded the phone call telling me to carry on over.as some sort of damage limitation/arse covering attempt,…(as I would expect no co. backing true to form. )
Just curious that’s all.
Smart move, I was going to ask if they put it in writing, but a recording is just as much covering yourself as would it be in writing. Did you do a print out too with the saga written on the back?
If anything had come of it with Plod/DVSA, the thing to do would have been to play on the “bullying boss”, and the suggestion that maybe your job could have been at risk from these unscrupulous gaffers.
As long as you aren’t work after this shift for the next 24 hours and 7 minutes, you can pretty much forget about it (thanks to the recorded call and your print out, even if you haven’t done the PO yet )
Though they may ask questions about the planning of the work.
I thought you didn’t believe in maxxed out 15 hour shifts?
robroy:
I ain’t stupid btw I recorded the phone call telling me to carry on over.as some sort of damage limitation/arse covering attempt,…(as I would expect no co. backing true to form. )
Just curious that’s all.
Smart move, I was going to ask if they put it in writing, but a recording is just as much covering yourself as would it be in writing. Did you do a print out too with the saga written on the back?
If anything had come of it with Plod/DVSA, the thing to do would have been to play on the “bullying boss”, and the suggestion that maybe your job could have been at risk from these unscrupulous gaffers.
As long as you aren’t work after this shift for the next 24 hours and 7 minutes, you can pretty much forget about it (thanks to the recorded call and your print out, even if you haven’t done the PO yet )
Though they may ask questions about the planning of the work.
I thought you didn’t believe in maxxed out 15 hour shifts?
No question of him trying to bully me into it tbf.
I did understand where he was coming from about getting the load nicked,.I just recorded it in case any questions would be asked.
As I said it was the passing of a designated parking place in my time, to go to the next one over my time… that was my query.
As for the 15, it’s the being made to do it I dont believe in, if I want to or if it’s for my benefit,. I’ll do one now and again.
I started my shift pattern a bit later this Wed, around dinnertime so only a half day, then yesterday the reload was not ready, so basically just trying to catch up and get back sooner on the Saturday (after an Rdc delivery,.back empty, job and finish.
So I got home about 4 instead of about 7,.usually done around 2ish on average on a Saturday…nobody forced me (or tried to ) into a 15, it was purely for me.
Zac_A:
I was more thinking of eliciting sympathy from a ■■■■ DVSA or Plod (if such a thing is possible )
If that’s your mindset towards them, don’t be surprised if you don’t get any.
Whilst aware that you get the odd one who is a complete bonus hole (and it has to be said that they’re normally traffic cops from rural forces looking for one number for a line on Brown Nose Bingo) my experience of DVSA and the police is that they’re by and large reasonable people who won’t bother you unduly unless you or your gaffer give them cause to.
More fool you for not parking up earlier,why be looking at a reasonably secure parking place on 15 hrs instead of an hour or so before you max out.
15 is the MAX not a mandatory target, but I suppose that depends on who you work for.
Brownie points ,extra o/t,extra bonus or just poorly paid comes to mind
lolipop:
More fool you for not parking up earlier,why be looking at a reasonably secure parking place on 15 hrs instead of an hour or so before you max out.
15 is the MAX not a mandatory target, but I suppose that depends on who you work for.
Brownie points ,extra o/t,extra bonus or just poorly paid comes to mind
Thanks for the tip and guidance mate…I had not realised, as I’m new at all this.
I’ll.write it down so I remember next time.
Thanks again.
Zac_A:
I was more thinking of eliciting sympathy from a ■■■■ DVSA or Plod (if such a thing is possible )
If that’s your mindset towards them, don’t be surprised if you don’t get any.
Seriously? You don’t think perhaps I was just trying to bolster RRs view of things? Ok…
No need mate, do keep up …
My new life coach is Mr lollipop, he is presently keeping me right, explaining stuff to me I never realised, and generally giving me the benefit of his experience.
Even without a valid reason or printout, fines start at 15 mins over, well under as it’s the rest period within 24 hours, unless you’re regularly taking advantage of the grace period.
Then once you’ve had a rest period you’d need to be under by more than 2 hours to get busted within the following 28 days at roadside unless you had 4 or more infringements within that 28 days.
1st suitable stopping place doesn’t necessarily mean 1st place to stop if it’s not suitable, that is for you to decide and justify if questioned based on your load and risk etc, they may or may not agree with you, so ultimately if they didn’t agree and it met the criteria for prosecution it’s for you to decide to accept the fpn or see if the magistrate agrees with you or not.
The fact your graffer said keep going passed the MSA is irrelevant, other than you should be making sure that means they cover any potential fines when that conversation is happening.
stevieboy308:
Even without a valid reason or printout, fines start at 15 mins over, well under as it’s the rest period within 24 hours, unless you’re regularly taking advantage of the grace period.
Then once you’ve had a rest period you’d need to be under by more than 2 hours to get busted within the following 28 days at roadside unless you had 4 or more infringements within that 28 days.
1st suitable stopping place doesn’t necessarily mean 1st place to stop if it’s not suitable, that is for you to decide and justify if questioned based on your load and risk etc, they may or may not agree with you, so ultimately if they didn’t agree and it met the criteria for prosecution it’s for you to decide to accept the fpn or see if the magistrate agrees with you or not.
The fact your graffer said keep going passed the MSA is irrelevant, other than you should be making sure that means they cover any potential fines when that conversation is happening.
Ok cheers for that.
So based on your paragraph 3, it seems that is open to interpretation,.and could go either way, presumably depending on whether or not the magistrate wahad got his leg over or not the night before.so was in a good mood
Bearing that in mind, if I had ended up injuring somebody or worse within those few minutes between passing a designated parking place,.and going over my time to get to the next one ,.I would not be naive nor confident enough to be putting any money on them coming out on my side.
As for your last paragraph, … the gaffer, and in fact the company, is not renowned for backing up drivers…
In 2 experiences of such, on one occasion I got zero backing over one particular ‘incident’,.and totally chucked under the ■■■■ bus on another…both non tacho related btw.
So I reckon I’d be on my own…again…
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