No, what you did and what Rob did is entirely different. Rob handled the situation correctly, you didn’t. Your story simply proves what a ridiculously bad idea pulling the card is and never to do it, because if you do they’ll simply assume you do it often. As I say on my Driver CPC courses pulling the card out and going over is just swapping a minor infringement for one of the very worst. Why did you pull it for a single minute anyway?
switchlogic:
No, what you did and what Rob did is entirely different. Rob handled the situation correctly, you didn’t. Your story simply proves what a ridiculously bad idea pulling the card is and never to do it, because if you do they’ll simply assume you do it often. As I say on my Driver CPC courses pulling the card out and going over is just swapping a minor infringement for one of the very worst. Why did you pull it for a single minute anyway?
What a load of absolute ■■■■■■■■ , he drove passed a bloody parking place , a msa , that is putting other drivers safety at risk by continuing to carry on driving , what if the place he decided to stop was 1/2 hr up the road , is that ok what happens if that’s full , do another 1/2 hr , might as well just carry on back to the yard ,what happens if he’s involved in a rtc , l it will be fine , just write on a printout
And your supposedly a cpc trainer , advocating just carry on driving , as long as you write on a printout it will be fine , we’ll there’s something off here as the cpc trainer I had said , It’s not acceptable to drive past a parking place as by doing so your putting other road users safety at risk , are you saying that statement is incorrect ?
Just because your card is in is not a excuse to carry on driving until you want , there’s a limit on drivers hours / work hours which you should adhere to , a high value load is no excuse to carry on driving to where you think is safe ( is anywhere safe ) , that’s your companies issue , your job is too drive to the laws of the road
I can’t believe I’m having this conversation with a cpc trainer , who apparently doesn’t care less that drivers adhere to drivers hours rule
As for your / dvsa solicitor / works manager / etc hysteria about what I did , the t/c found it just warranted a caution , No tea & biscuits just a letter
Would she/ he view driving straight passed a perfectly good ■■■■■■■■■■■■ any different , card in or not than a minute into yard then a few mins round yard , good luck to the driver who wants to take your advice& find out there thoughts on it , I won’t be & I doubt rob will be if he’s got any sense
lolipop:
More fool you for not parking up earlier,why be looking at a reasonably secure parking place on 15 hrs instead of an hour or so before you max out.
15 is the MAX not a mandatory target, but I suppose that depends on who you work for.
Brownie points ,extra o/t,extra bonus or just poorly paid comes to mind
Kinda agree with Mr Lolipop.
Although I have done the same as Rob… i.e. try and push it as far as I can one day so my next day is easier.
As for the valuable load. Yea, I would not give a crap about that lol… the MSA bandits can have at it for all I care haha. But I guess that is why I drive old beat up trucks for supermarkets and I dont do any fancy loads with blinged up trucks. 
Right, ok,.I thought we were done with this, and it had died a death, but I’m getting the vibe I need to defend myself here. 
So…
Firstly I get the 15 ‘‘limit not target’’ thing, I invented the ■■■■ phrase ffs .
I was hardly ‘pushing it’ and granted I did plan a 15 hour limit day, as opposed to a shorter day, but for MY benefit, nobody tried to tell me I had to,…
MY decision for a quiter life/earlier finish on Saturday…that was ALL…, not for a bonus,.not to impress anybody, not to gain brownies 
In other words It was Fri,.and the next day was the end of my week,.so tried to make last day as short as poss.
Right I think that bit is well covered.
When I left Avonmouth I had planned ample time to get to Carnforth truckstop,.even after getting held up every so often in the usual Fri pm ■■■■ ups along the route in the usual areas…
Ok, it was maybe bad planning on my part, I thought I had allowed enough extra time to play with, for Fri pm excess traffic,.(which tbf I did, I would have made Carnforth with maybe up to 30 mins or so left on a 15.?..or thereabouts anyway.)
However an rta around Leyland ■■■■ ed that idea up, so when I approached Forton MSA (which I thought was relatively safe tbh, but boss did not) I could have parked there with approx 5 to 10 mins spare?..job sorted, no drama…but told categorically on phone NOT to park there. 
So what is it to Carnforth?..15 mins ish ?
So I got there as I said about 7 mins over spreadover, including ■■■■ ing about booking in etc., thrn keys out, in shower, meal, in bar. 
No doubt some pedant will work out my times and distance to nearest km and second to try and rubbish my claim, so crack on if you have the time on your hands,.I ain’t fussed., (but dont ask me to check my printout as proof or you will be told to ■■■■ off ) but that was how I interpreted it, …
My story and I’m sticking to it guv
And there rests the case for the defence.
And to reiterate (again) …Still don’t gaf about being over my time, I did correct printout explanation, sorted…
It was the ‘what could have happened thing’ that was the potential issue, (and the final explanation is down to grief Iam getting on here up to press …I even feel like mincing off in a camp strop with my lip stuck out… )
dozy:
switchlogic:
No, what you did and what Rob did is entirely different. Rob handled the situation correctly, you didn’t. Your story simply proves what a ridiculously bad idea pulling the card is and never to do it, because if you do they’ll simply assume you do it often. As I say on my Driver CPC courses pulling the card out and going over is just swapping a minor infringement for one of the very worst. Why did you pull it for a single minute anyway?What a load of absolute [zb] , he drove passed a bloody parking place , a msa , that is putting other drivers safety at risk by continuing to carry on driving , what if the place he decided to stop was 1/2 hr up the road , is that ok what happens if that’s full , do another 1/2 hr , might as well just carry on back to the yard ,what happens if he’s involved in a rtc , l it will be fine , just write on a printout
And your supposedly a cpc trainer , advocating just carry on driving , as long as you write on a printout it will be fine , we’ll there’s something off here as the cpc trainer I had said , It’s not acceptable to drive past a parking place as by doing so your putting other road users safety at risk , are you saying that statement is incorrect ?
Just because your card is in is not a excuse to carry on driving until you want , there’s a limit on drivers hours / work hours which you should adhere to , a high value load is no excuse to carry on driving to where you think is safe ( is anywhere safe ) , that’s your companies issue , your job is too drive to the laws of the road
I can’t believe I’m having this conversation with a cpc trainer , who apparently doesn’t care less that drivers adhere to drivers hours rule
As for your / dvsa solicitor / works manager / etc hysteria about what I did , the t/c found it just warranted a caution , No tea & biscuits just a letter
Would she/ he view driving straight passed a perfectly good ■■■■■■■■■■■■ any different , card in or not than a minute into yard then a few mins round yard , good luck to the driver who wants to take your advice& find out there thoughts on it , I won’t be & I doubt rob will be if he’s got any sense
I suggest you inform the DVSA assets.publishing.service.gov.u … policy.pdf
robroy:
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However an rta around Leyland [zb] ed that idea up, so when I approached Forton MSA (which I thought was relatively safe tbh, but boss did not) I could have parked there with approx 5 to 10 mins spare?..job sorted, no drama…but told categorically on phone NOT to park there.
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My experience with these kinds of things, is you need to 1) know what the legality of this/that/other is, 2) if you don’t know, get bloody good at Googling quickly off of a mobile phone so you DO know, hand-on-heart, 3) DON’T rely on the office to give you legal advice in these situations. They will invariably direct you to do what’s best for them (for profitability, or to appease the customer). I’ve had a few situations like this.
Early on, I made the mistake of saying to the office “this is the situation, what do you want me to do?” and it went badly. The next time, it was somewhat of a one-way conversation, like (it was to do with roadworthiness of the vehicle, not hours/tacho etc) “this vehicle isn’t roadworthy, its not rolling with me behind the wheel”. It might be an awkward conversation but its actually a pretty easy viewpoint to hold if the law is on your side.
ETA these kinds of issues where you’re not 100% sure, or the office wants you do carry on/whatever, are ALWAYS going to be the marginal, borderline, ‘grey area’ cases - if its clearly illegal, they know and they’d know not to ask or plan you to do that (one hopes).
But its the law, its the driver’s responsibility to clarify or know these grey areas so its black and white; to know where the borderline is and be on the right side of it is.
It just makes sense anyway, because you don’t put yourself under undue stress and can sleep easy at night.
switchlogic:
dozy:
switchlogic:
No, what you did and what Rob did is entirely different. Rob handled the situation correctly, you didn’t. Your story simply proves what a ridiculously bad idea pulling the card is and never to do it, because if you do they’ll simply assume you do it often. As I say on my Driver CPC courses pulling the card out and going over is just swapping a minor infringement for one of the very worst. Why did you pull it for a single minute anyway?What a load of absolute [zb] , he drove passed a bloody parking place , a msa , that is putting other drivers safety at risk by continuing to carry on driving , what if the place he decided to stop was 1/2 hr up the road , is that ok what happens if that’s full , do another 1/2 hr , might as well just carry on back to the yard ,what happens if he’s involved in a rtc , l it will be fine , just write on a printout
And your supposedly a cpc trainer , advocating just carry on driving , as long as you write on a printout it will be fine , we’ll there’s something off here as the cpc trainer I had said , It’s not acceptable to drive past a parking place as by doing so your putting other road users safety at risk , are you saying that statement is incorrect ?
Just because your card is in is not a excuse to carry on driving until you want , there’s a limit on drivers hours / work hours which you should adhere to , a high value load is no excuse to carry on driving to where you think is safe ( is anywhere safe ) , that’s your companies issue , your job is too drive to the laws of the road
I can’t believe I’m having this conversation with a cpc trainer , who apparently doesn’t care less that drivers adhere to drivers hours rule
As for your / dvsa solicitor / works manager / etc hysteria about what I did , the t/c found it just warranted a caution , No tea & biscuits just a letter
Would she/ he view driving straight passed a perfectly good ■■■■■■■■■■■■ any different , card in or not than a minute into yard then a few mins round yard , good luck to the driver who wants to take your advice& find out there thoughts on it , I won’t be & I doubt rob will be if he’s got any senseI suggest you inform the DVSA assets.publishing.service.gov.u … policy.pdf
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What you link to is in the event of a unforeseen circumstance , robs was not a unforseen circumstance , he had parking available to him that would of kept him legally within the law , he chose not to park there so broke the law & put other road users safety at risk ,Jesus Christ your meant to be a cpc trainer and believes that link
Allows you to just carry on driving , high value load / fancy the pub a jct up the road , not doing a night out
You are allowed to drive over your hours , you write on a printout , I agree , but not in this circumstance , he had parking available to him , he chose not to
Park there & carry on , That is breaking the law , putting other road users safety at risk
paul_c2:
robroy:
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However an rta around Leyland [zb] ed that idea up, so when I approached Forton MSA (which I thought was relatively safe tbh, but boss did not) I could have parked there with approx 5 to 10 mins spare?..job sorted, no drama…but told categorically on phone NOT to park there.
…My experience with these kinds of things, is you need to 1) know what the legality of this/that/other is, 2) if you don’t know, get bloody good at Googling quickly off of a mobile phone so you DO know, hand-on-heart, 3) DON’T rely on the office to give you legal advice in these situations. They will invariably direct you to do what’s best for them (for profitability, or to appease the customer). I’ve had a few situations like this.
Early on, I made the mistake of saying to the office “this is the situation, what do you want me to do?” and it went badly. The next time, it was somewhat of a one-way conversation, like (it was to do with roadworthiness of the vehicle, not hours/tacho etc) “this vehicle isn’t roadworthy, its not rolling with me behind the wheel”. It might be an awkward conversation but its actually a pretty easy viewpoint to hold if the law is on your side.
Yep I get that, but have a look yourself on Google if you can be arsed, nothing covers that specific potential scenario.
paul_c2:
ETA these kinds of issues where you’re not 100% sure, or the office wants you do carry on/whatever, are ALWAYS going to be the marginal, borderline, ‘grey area’ cases - if its clearly illegal, they know and they’d know not to ask or plan you to do that (one hopes).But its the law, its the driver’s responsibility to clarify or know these grey areas so its black and white; to know where the borderline is and be on the right side of it is.
It just makes sense anyway, because you don’t put yourself under undue stress and can sleep easy at night.
Ok, so do you know/understand that specific ‘grey area’ cos I sure as hell don’t…especially when I was put on the spot.
I kinda knew the reply I would get on the phone,.and the ambiguity it would raise, hence why I recorded the call as an arse covering exercise in the event of me needing one.
robroy:
Right, ok,.I thought we were done with this, and it had died a death, but I’m getting the vibe I need to defend myself here.So…
Firstly I get the 15 ‘‘limit not target’’ thing, I invented the [zb] phrase ffs .I was hardly ‘pushing it’ and granted I did plan a 15 hour limit day, as opposed to a shorter day, but for MY benefit, nobody tried to tell me I had to,…
MY decision for a quiter life/earlier finish on Saturday…that was ALL…, not for a bonus,.not to impress anybody, not to gain brownies
In other words It was Fri,.and the next day was the end of my week,.so tried to make last day as short as poss.
Right I think that bit is well covered.When I left Avonmouth I had planned ample time to get to Carnforth truckstop,.even after getting held up every so often in the usual Fri pm [zb] ups along the route in the usual areas…
Ok, it was maybe bad planning on my part, I thought I had allowed enough extra time to play with, for Fri pm excess traffic,.(which tbf I did, I would have made Carnforth with maybe up to 30 mins or so left on a 15.?..or thereabouts anyway.)
However an rta around Leyland [zb] ed that idea up, so when I approached Forton MSA (which I thought was relatively safe tbh, but boss did not) I could have parked there with approx 5 to 10 mins spare?..job sorted, no drama…but told categorically on phone NOT to park there.
So what is it to Carnforth?..15 mins ish ?
So I got there as I said about 7 mins over spreadover, including [zb] ing about booking in etc., thrn keys out, in shower, meal, in bar.No doubt some pedant will work out my times and distance to nearest km and second to try and rubbish my claim, so crack on if you have the time on your hands,.I ain’t fussed., (but dont ask me to check my printout as proof or you will be told to [zb] off
My story and I’m sticking to it guvAnd there rests the case for the defence.
And to reiterate (again) …Still don’t gaf about being over my time, I did correct printout explanation, sorted…
It was the ‘what could have happened thing’ that was the potential issue, (and the final explanation is down to grief Iam getting on here up to press …I even feel like mincing off in a camp strop with my lip stuck out…
Bloody hell rob , shows you can’t make a mental picture of a poster on a forum , I had you down as boss tells you what to do you tell him to ■■■■ off , just never put you down as boss shouts jump , you how high
robroy:
paul_c2:
ETA these kinds of issues where you’re not 100% sure, or the office wants you do carry on/whatever, are ALWAYS going to be the marginal, borderline, ‘grey area’ cases - if its clearly illegal, they know and they’d know not to ask or plan you to do that (one hopes).But its the law, its the driver’s responsibility to clarify or know these grey areas so its black and white; to know where the borderline is and be on the right side of it is.
It just makes sense anyway, because you don’t put yourself under undue stress and can sleep easy at night.
Ok, so do you know/understand that specific ‘grey area’ cos I sure as hell don’t…especially when I was put on the spot.
I kinda knew the reply I would get on the phone,.and the ambiguity it would raise, hence why I recorded the call as an arse covering exercise in the event of me needing one.
Is this really you rob , over hours , grey areas , being bullied by the boss , not taking into account hold ups , it sounds like a day in the life of a new pass , not a vastly experienced been there done it driver
Bloody hell im meant to be the worst driver on here and my days arnt half as eventful as yours , look forward to the next instalment,
Titled - Driver hasn’t got a clue !!
I’m hoping moaster / beaver get back off there holidays soon & support you rob , watching you falling apart like this is not good viewing , though with my sense of humour I am find it amusing
robroy:
paul_c2:
robroy:
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However an rta around Leyland [zb] ed that idea up, so when I approached Forton MSA (which I thought was relatively safe tbh, but boss did not) I could have parked there with approx 5 to 10 mins spare?..job sorted, no drama…but told categorically on phone NOT to park there.
…My experience with these kinds of things, is you need to 1) know what the legality of this/that/other is, 2) if you don’t know, get bloody good at Googling quickly off of a mobile phone so you DO know, hand-on-heart, 3) DON’T rely on the office to give you legal advice in these situations. They will invariably direct you to do what’s best for them (for profitability, or to appease the customer). I’ve had a few situations like this.
Early on, I made the mistake of saying to the office “this is the situation, what do you want me to do?” and it went badly. The next time, it was somewhat of a one-way conversation, like (it was to do with roadworthiness of the vehicle, not hours/tacho etc) “this vehicle isn’t roadworthy, its not rolling with me behind the wheel”. It might be an awkward conversation but its actually a pretty easy viewpoint to hold if the law is on your side.
Yep I get that, but have a look yourself on Google if you can be arsed, nothing covers that specific potential scenario.
Actually I appreciate, its not really possible to Google while driving, so you’d need to know and be sure, before setting off, of the scenario you might later face. But…gov.uk/guidance/drivers-hou … vers-hours suggests can only exceed the 15 for emergency or unforeseen event (congestion doesn’t count; accident does…which leads to the obvious question, was the congestion due to an earlier accident■■?)
Its the driver’s responsibility to stick within the hours or know the exemption they’re flying under…so I’d say yes its close, but its not unforeseen that there’s congestion on the M6 on a Friday evening, so…I’d have stopped at the MSA. To be sure.
robroy:
paul_c2:
robroy:
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However an rta around Leyland [zb] ed that idea up, so when I approached Forton MSA (which I thought was relatively safe tbh, but boss did not) I could have parked there with approx 5 to 10 mins spare?..job sorted, no drama…but told categorically on phone NOT to park there.
…My experience with these kinds of things, is you need to 1) know what the legality of this/that/other is, 2) if you don’t know, get bloody good at Googling quickly off of a mobile phone so you DO know, hand-on-heart, 3) DON’T rely on the office to give you legal advice in these situations. They will invariably direct you to do what’s best for them (for profitability, or to appease the customer). I’ve had a few situations like this.
Early on, I made the mistake of saying to the office “this is the situation, what do you want me to do?” and it went badly. The next time, it was somewhat of a one-way conversation, like (it was to do with roadworthiness of the vehicle, not hours/tacho etc) “this vehicle isn’t roadworthy, its not rolling with me behind the wheel”. It might be an awkward conversation but its actually a pretty easy viewpoint to hold if the law is on your side.
Yep I get that, but have a look yourself on Google if you can be arsed, nothing covers that specific potential scenario.
The law doesn’t cover specific scenarios for the simple reason that you couldn’t really cover them all, so uses the catch all Unforseen Circumstances. No Doubt brain of Britain Dozy will be along soon to tell me I’m wrong
dozy:
I’m hoping moaster / beaver get back off there holidays soon & support you rob , watching you falling apart like this is not good viewing , though with my sense of humour I am find it amusing
He’s big enough and ugly enough to fight his own battles Ady , I’m just relaxing and watching it all unfurl like a car crash in slow motion.
Christ you know you’re on a downer when dozy starts taking the ■■■■.
As I said,.stupid move,.I hold my hands up,…but if I was THAT bothered I wouldn’t be coming on here of all places bearing my arse now would I? 
Do yer worst,.wind me up,.take the ■■■■,.I’m a big lad I.can take it…bring it on , hurt me baby
Meanwhile I’ll sit here safe in the knowledge that I have NEVER been bullied nor pushed into anything in my entire life, just an out of character error of judgement…(but by Christ dozy is gonna get some milage out of it. )
Just finished talking to a lifelong mate on the phone about this…His answer was…
‘‘You did what’’
So I’m getting a bit of stick from all directions
(Still got the recorded phone call though. )
the maoster:
dozy:
I’m hoping moaster / beaver get back off there holidays soon & support you rob , watching you falling apart like this is not good viewing , though with my sense of humour I am find it amusingHe’s big enough and ugly enough to fight his own battles Ady , I’m just relaxing and watching it all unfurl like a car crash in slow motion.
You’re a lot of ■■■■ help and support aren’t ya …‘‘mate’’.
dozy:
I’m hoping moaster / beaver get back off there holidays soon & support you rob , watching you falling apart like this is not good viewing , though with my sense of humour I am find it amusing
Oh sweet Jeesus…If I’m relying on them 2 to sort me out, kill me now. 
They have ordered the electric chair off Amazon, doomed I would say.