Thanks for the reply.
Should rules 2 and 3 say ‘breaks totalling’ rather than ‘a break of at least’?
as surely as it is, rules 2 and 3 are contradicted by rule 4.
kevin0410:
Should rules 2 and 3 say ‘breaks totalling’ rather than ‘a break of at least’?as surely as it is, rules 2 and 3 are contradicted by rule 4.
Doesn’t make a blind bit of difference as far as I can see, the EU regulations were translated into English, which is why they may not always be grammatically correct.
kevin0410:
Should rules 2 and 3 say ‘breaks totalling’ rather than ‘a break of at least’?as surely as it is, rules 2 and 3 are contradicted by rule 4.
Nope. Rule 4 gives an option for the break requirements in rules 2 and 3 rather than contradicts them. For instance rule 2 states that “the worker shall be entitled to a break lasting at least 30 minutes” while rule 3 states “the worker shall be entitled to a break lasting at least 45 minutes” and rule 4 goes on to explain there is an option for those breaks to be “made up of separate periods of not less than 15 minutes each.” Couldn’t really be any clearer.
sorry for this question again.not sure.i start yesterday 1600 and was driving ,working without POA.had 15 min break about 8 pm.another 30 min i taked about 2250 when i was to closed to 4.5 hours driving time…are this full legaly if taked first 15 min in first 6 working time and another 30 taked later???or must taked all 30 min in first 6 working hours.think
Andrejs:
sorry for this question again.not sure.i start yesterday 1600 and was driving ,working without POA.had 15 min break about 8 pm.another 30 min i taked about 2250 when i was to closed to 4.5 hours driving time…are this full legaly if taked first 15 min in first 6 working time and another 30 taked later???or must taked all 30 min in first 6 working hours.think
legal as long as you did not do more than 6 hours work after taking the 30 min break
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I think Rog was correct about 6 hours break.last week was working about 7 hours with 16 minut break(no POA).this 16 min was taked before i reach 6 hours.yesterday check my card in company sistem.don t show me infrigement
If you worked a seven hour shift with only a single 16 minute break you should have got an infringement.
Roymondo:
If you worked a seven hour shift with only a single 16 minute break you should have got an infringement.
This ^^^
If you’re total working time is more than 6 hours but less than 9 hours you should have a break of at-least 30 minutes.
This 30 minute break can be taken in two parts, each part must be at-least 15 minutes.
WTD breaks cannot be taken at the immediate start or immediate end of the shift.
pavaroti:
Thanks guys. I know this one’s been done to death on here which is how I knew I was right but awkward trying to explain it to those who should know better.
Even my dcpc trainer employed by my company told everybody they need a 30 min break before 6hrs.
Is the dcpc trainer actually a driver, because if his driving is as good as his crap teaching then he needs the sack from both !
6 hr rule should be strictly abide by all the transporters. It’s beneficial to have a break of 20 mins after a long drive of 6hrs. Once, top lawyers in Auckland,NZ raised the issue of raising road accidents worldwide signing a petition against transport system and since then NZ govt applied 6hr rule. If anyone drives more than 6 hrs then 30mins break is mandate. The consequences of breaking this rule may trouble your driving license and much more. Ask here in details: barristers.co.nz about all the road mishap acts and amendments in NZ.
tachograph:
RWhite25:
6 hr rule should be strictly abide by all the transporters. It’s beneficial to have a break of 20 mins after a long drive of 6hrs.I don’t know about it being beneficial but it’s certainly illegal in the UK an every other EU country.
UK domestic regs ?
ROG:
tachograph:
RWhite25:
6 hr rule should be strictly abide by all the transporters. It’s beneficial to have a break of 20 mins after a long drive of 6hrs.I don’t know about it being beneficial but it’s certainly illegal in the UK an every other EU country.
UK domestic regs ?
This thread including the post by RWhite25 are clearly in context of the 6 hour rule, since when was there a 6 hour rule in the domestic regulations ?
tachograph:
ROG:
tachograph:
RWhite25:
6 hr rule should be strictly abide by all the transporters. It’s beneficial to have a break of 20 mins after a long drive of 6hrs.I don’t know about it being beneficial but it’s certainly illegal in the UK an every other EU country.
UK domestic regs ?
This thread including the post by RWhite25 are clearly in context of the 6 hour rule, since when was there a 6 hour rule in the domestic regulations ?
OK
I am glad I have found this thread! I am a relatively new driver and spent most of yesterday being berated at by the “experienced” drivers in the company when I dared suggest to one that you did not have to take a 30 min break at 6 hours. Luckily for me my CPC Instructor taught the correct interpretation of the law which I feel is plainly written and simple to understand. But who am I to have an opinion, as was pointed out to me yesterday.
MADBAZ:
The way I do it is to have a 15 mid morning, then a 30 around dinnertime which covers me for WTD and resets my drive for EU. I may then have a 15 mid afternoon, which set’s me up nicely if I need a second 30 and go into a 10 hour drive.
Which is exactly what the secretary, the MD and the plebs in the office have, 15 minute smoke and coffee break and half an hour for lunch, regardless of whether they take it at their desk or go out shopping 
Can somebody please help me, I,ve only recently returned back to trucking and the guy at the depot has stated that i got to have a 30 Minute break after 6 hours and this has to be increased upto 45 minutes if im working 9 hours. However most runs are double manned working upto the 21 hour maximum and i’ve just been told by one guy that we should take 30 minute breaks every 6 hours. Can anybody please give me a simplified explanation for peace of mind.
Cheers Dazmo
Dazmo:
Can somebody please help me, I,ve only recently returned back to trucking and the guy at the depot has stated that i got to have a 30 Minute break after 6 hours and this has to be increased upto 45 minutes if im working 9 hours. However most runs are double manned working upto the 21 hour maximum and i’ve just been told by one guy that we should take 30 minute breaks every 6 hours. Can anybody please give me a simplified explanation for peace of mind.
Cheers Dazmo
This is how they are written in the rules …
(1) No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break.
(2) Where a mobile worker’s working time exceeds six hours but does not exceed nine hours, the worker shall be entitled to a break lasting at least 30 minutes and interrupting that time.
(3) Where a mobile worker’s working time exceeds nine hours, the worker shall be entitled to a break lasting at least 45 minutes and interrupting that period.
(4) Each break may be made up of separate periods of not less than 15 minutes each…
1+4 go together
2+3 are a choice of either but not both
Many confuse 1 with 2 because both mention 6 hours
Working time means the total of driving time and other work time not shift or duty time - that is often another error made by many
The RTD breaks were designed to be used together with the driving time breaks in EU 561/2006 in which the 45 break can be split into 15 + 30 so it makes sense that the first break for RTD can be 15 mins and not 30
does that help?
Thanks Rog ill keep this for future reference
The way that I remember the WTD rules is that if I know I am going to be working for more than six hours and if I go over six hours without taking a break, I’ll get an infringement. So, effectively, as soon as five hours and 59 mins arrives, this is the last chance to stop before getting an infringement. Then before I go home for the day, I must have taken another 15 mins assuming that I’ve worked between 6-9 hours. If you are a long haul driver, the WTD is not really an issue because your driving hours will be up before the WTD kicks in.
In my opinion, it really pays to study why you have got the infringement in the first place and keep it in the old grey matter to avoid repatition.
(Some great tips and advice on this forum btw )