chester1:
I’m not sure it’s really about ee drivers holed up on all the services not spending money but a way of screwing all the Belgian firms that have flagged all there trucks out to other countries and still doing the same work in and out of Belgium. Have a look next time you are in Belgium at how few Belgian firms are still on Belgian plates very few apart from the smaller trucks all gone to RO CZ BG . It’s a small country of around 9m people and only around 2m of them are Belgian
the same could be said for the dutch, Germans , Spanish , all have company’s that have flagged out to eastern European countries. and to honest something wants doing about it . hopefully all will make a stand
chester1:
I’m not sure it’s really about ee drivers holed up on all the services not spending money but a way of screwing all the Belgian firms that have flagged all there trucks out to other countries and still doing the same work in and out of Belgium. Have a look next time you are in Belgium at how few Belgian firms are still on Belgian plates very few apart from the smaller trucks all gone to RO CZ BG . It’s a small country of around 9m people and only around 2m of them are Belgian
I’d imagine that the vast majority of Belgian-owned trucks with Belgian drivers spend the weekend in their home depots in Belgium, regardless of where they are registered.
chester1:
I’m not sure it’s really about ee drivers holed up on all the services not spending money but a way of screwing all the Belgian firms that have flagged all there trucks out to other countries and still doing the same work in and out of Belgium. Have a look next time you are in Belgium at how few Belgian firms are still on Belgian plates very few apart from the smaller trucks all gone to RO CZ BG . It’s a small country of around 9m people and only around 2m of them are Belgian
I’d imagine that the vast majority of Belgian-owned trucks with Belgian drivers spend the weekend in their home depots in Belgium, regardless of where they are registered.
The point is if they are not on Belgian plates they can no longer weekend in Belgium regardless of the drivers nationality. ( not that there are many Belgian drivers doing any distance work like they used to as there jobs went with the plates)
I’ve found some info on the French intentions. A couple of amendments dated 11/02/2014 (PDF) assemblee-nationale.fr/14/pd … C/AS28.pdf and a couple of news snippets
I don’t understand this one bit; I have only one question WHY?? If its to stop and employee being forced to live in the cab for a long time surely that’s up to the driver he only has to say no and go look for another job but as long as he knows from the start he may have to spend a long time away its no one else’s problem end of,….
EU big brother poking its nose in again. I think the jobs just about finished now.
Exactly Harry, those news items above dont mean anything because they wont translate for me even though there is a sign above saying Translate from French to English i received an Email from my MEP in Brussels who wanted some kind of proof of what i was talking about, so sent him a copy of the Febretra, so hopefully he will mention it at the next meeting ( drinks supplied en masse )
And the regulations state quite clearly that all member states have a duty to supply parking/rest areas, and its by belief that Belgium are breaking those very rules by taking them away from HGV drivers requiring a weekly rest.
Harry and the flying foden I wish I had your faith but this will affect all European drivers, if only it could just be aimed at East European drivers maybe I could agree, I’m retired and well out of it now but I still have a lot friends who spend months away in Europe and north Africa, its them its going to affect the most.
OssieD:
Harry and the flying foden I wish I had your faith but this will affect all European drivers, if only it could just be aimed at East European drivers maybe I could agree I’m retired and well out of it now but I still have a lot friends who spend months away in Europe and north Africa, its them its going to affect the most.
To be honest, I think the authorities are viewing this as a specific problem, namely losing work to eastern European hauliers on the basis of wage arbitrage. Although it’s true that some British trucks do go away for extended periods, the numbers are vanishingly small compared to that of our Sports Direct attired colleagues, and British drivers tend to weekend at restaurants, Autohofs etc where enforcement might well be less enthusiastic, since we are not seen as doing work which would otherwise be done by Belgian/French trucks.
if this rulles start work,road safety go down .just money pump from drivers.in lorry cab can sleep much betters for some hotel.mainly drivers have spare food ,have laptop ,internet.drivers cooking own food ,which much better and much cheap for hotel restoran,cafe.and any people who come to work for drivers accept who in future must be live at road 5-6 week.IN ENGLAND THOUSAND PEOPLE LIVE ALONE FROM FAMILY ALL WEEK OR MONTH.LIVE IN CARAVAN,SHARED HOUSES.SOME PEOPLE SEE KEEDS JUST COUPLE TIME PER YEARS.
OssieD:
Harry and the flying foden I wish I had your faith but this will affect all European drivers, if only it could just be aimed at East European drivers maybe I could agree, I’m retired and well out of it now but I still have a lot friends who spend months away in Europe and north Africa, its them its going to affect the most.
Ossie
im in the same boat spending up to 4 weeks away from home at a time but something as to be done to sort out the mess we are in and someone as to make a stand .
the flying foden:
im in the same boat spending up to 4 weeks away from home at a time but something as to be done to sort out the mess we are in and someone as to make a stand .
Absolutely, and FEBETRA are simply pressing for the relevant law to be applied, regardless of the fact that it hasn’t been up until now. Yes, it is being done in the interests of their own domestic transport industry but there’s nothing wrong with that.
The RHA should have done the same thing years ago, they are supposed to represent the interest of British hauliers, not Waberer’s and Willi Betz. One of many reasons I don’t waste my money on RHA membership.
Andrejs:
if this rulles start work,road safety go down .just money pump from drivers.in lorry cab can sleep much betters for some hotel.mainly drivers have spare food ,have laptop ,internet.drivers cooking own food ,which much better and much cheap for hotel restoran,cafe.and any people who come to work for drivers accept who in future must be live at road 5-6 week.IN ENGLAND THOUSAND PEOPLE LIVE ALONE FROM FAMILY ALL WEEK OR MONTH.LIVE IN CARAVAN,SHARED HOUSES.SOME PEOPLE SEE KEEDS JUST COUPLE TIME PER YEARS.
Yes its also interesting to note that the French are to jump on the bandwagon from the 1st January 2015, where driver will not be allowed to spend a 45 in their cabs, so regardless of EU rules, which they voted for, are now going against them. Their ruling though is not to ban the trucks as such, but merely make the driver use a hotel instead, where a receipt would have to be produced or a fine be paid. So in my mind they are forcing drivers to pay for accommodation they dont need, because they have it with them, or force them to pay for facilities maybe they really cannot afford, my mind tells me its a move forward to a degree, a driver gets the rest he needs and in comfort, the cost will be forwarded to the customer, i dont know whether a driver will be allowed to enter his cab to cook for example, or will that be another added expense, only time will tell. just need Holland, luxembourg and Germany to follow suit, and all international work will cease. Dont know how we will move the goods, probably airfreight, ferries will go bankrupt, the train obsolete…happy times ahead. :lol:
how will international road haulage become obsolete ? we will all be allowed to to a 2weeks away then you have to go home or to a country that doesn’t enforce this law for the a full rest period. can’t see a problem for most country’s . only see a problem for eastern European drivers that live in there trucks for months then go home. may be it will bring about a swing back to home based drivers and they will have to pay the going rate and not a cut rate for drivers .
edited to add . may be UK company’s will start to be able to compete again in the international transport market
International drivers from Easterneuropian country taked home about 1500-1800 euro per month.some drivers in England taked simeral or less money.and BRITSH DRIVERS MUST NOT DREAM ABOUT BIG MONEY.BECAUSE EVERYWHERE DRIVING JOB NOT HIGH PAID NOW.GERMANY DRIVERS GO FOR 3 WEEK AROUND AND TAKED HOME JUST 2200 PER MONTH AND VERY LUCKY.TO MANY DRIVERS HAVE JUST 1500 AND HAPPY.Franch drivers taked more money if they spend to many money for food at services.after they can claim some money bag.yes more money just betters but drivers have at present moment good money.thousand people work more hard ,but taked home much more less.and if company change job style and start check new drivers not by-how long he have class 1 licency,but start simply chech how he can drive.so if this happened at any driving agency and company will thousand candidates.because now people don t go to training because understand who no easy want found first job.
Just think if every european country(inclulding us)adopts this and is enforced it could be for the good.It would mean that every other weekend you would have to be in your home country-which logically would push the flip flops back home-fortnightly which they wouldnt be able to afford to do.
Andrejs:
International drivers from Easterneuropian country taked home about 1500-1800 euro per month.some drivers in England taked simeral or less money.and BRITSH DRIVERS MUST NOT DREAM ABOUT BIG MONEY.BECAUSE EVERYWHERE DRIVING JOB NOT HIGH PAID NOW.GERMANY DRIVERS GO FOR 3 WEEK AROUND AND TAKED HOME JUST 2200 PER MONTH AND VERY LUCKY.TO MANY DRIVERS HAVE JUST 1500 AND HAPPY.Franch drivers taked more money if they spend to many money for food at services.after they can claim some money bag.yes more money just betters but drivers have at present moment good money.thousand people work more hard ,but taked home much more less.and if company change job style and start check new drivers not by-how long he have class 1 licency,but start simply chech how he can drive.so if this happened at any driving agency and company will thousand candidates.because now people don t go to training because understand who no easy want found first job.
were did you get these pay rates from for UK drivers as i earn a lot more than you quote . as long as eastern European come and work for less money than the national of the country they chose to work in then western European transport industry will drop further on it’s arse .the sooner this law is enforced in as many countries as possible the better as far as im concerned
