ill just leave this here…
Yeah, but maybe it’s not so shocking since this happened
and this too
Jo Cox was 8 years ago and sir David Amess was 2.5 years ago if they are genuinely worried about their security seems to me 9 years ago was a good time to start.
I realise it is over the Gaza situation at the moment however that to me seems a thin excuse when you consider this has been going on for decades and in each of the examples given where “civilian nutters”. Seems to me that if they were they would of been easy to catch if the appropriate parties had taken it seriously.
I know you cant please everybody at all times however, i suspect that if the mp’s actually served the constituents that voted them in there would be less disgruntled members of the public.
the other issue of course is knowing people that are in that world the self entitled idiots actually have to listen to the security experts and not sneak off all the time
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Unless an MP pleases 100% of people then someone will be upset. It doesn’t matter if it is even just one person; it is how upset/mad they are that counts.
After Jo Cox security was increased for MPs, but it is now, rightly, being increased more.
We want our MPs to do the right thing don’t we? Not what the most violent demand they do?
How many
are there then?
I remember a certain minister sneaking off rom his security detail to go to boozy party with some Russians, but that isn`t common is it?
Jo Cox was attacked in the street, and David Amess in an office.
i would offer that we want out mp’s to do what they say they are going to do and what we voted them in to do on a simplistic level. Obviously on the deeper issues such as the current situation with Gaza we would hope they would let the morals AND the feeling of their constituents guide their vote. As we have BOTH said you cant please everybody all the time. However, I suggest by doing the above you can please most people most of the time.
As i also said the two mp’s mentioned above were killed by “nutters” for want of a better word. The fact that you and i disagree on some things doesn’t make me want to hunt you down as i am sure you have no desire to hunt me down. Many because we are both normal civil humans and are adult enough to except others may have differing opinions. Unless of course you are suggesting that the few immigrants that got through to our shores aren’t the security checked innocent doctors women and children that we are told they are.
As to the security being increased after Jo Cox was murdered my comment was that 9 years ago should of been when they did something ie when she reported the harassment and threats to the relevant parties and nothing was done.
Ill assume that you are using my comment as apart of your question rather than trying to twist my words. I also assume that your referring to Boris Johnson although i haven’t heard that media twisted allegation before. It wouldn’t surprise me that his security knew about it in advance and had made the relevant security checks but no doubt somewhere there is a journalist that reported a security bod that said “no no we knew nothing honest gov”. Getting things done in a boozy environment whilst im against it is almost a tradition in the world of business all over various sectors.
I was referring to tony blare sneaking out of Chequers to go for a run. or a slightly more recent PM to Boris sneaking off to jump in the sack while crying about various threats admittedly before either parties involved in the affair were pm just to give a few examples. Im sure you agree that if someone threatened you and you were honestly concerned enough to report it and get a body guard you wouldn’t ditch them to go for a run.
David Amess was attacked whilst attending a constituents surgery by someone that publicly stated his right wing beliefs. Are you seriously trying to say that there was nothing they could do about that?
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However, I suggest by doing the above you can please most people most of the time.
Agreed.
Also agreed.
As I said, regards their security, it doesn`t matter at all whether MPs do the will of the majority of their constituents or not. All it needs is one nutter to be upset.
When was that? I can’t find it anywhere.
When on earth did I say or suggest that nothing could have been done about that?
If Johnson`s visit to a party, attended by the KGB and spied on by Italian security services, was condoned by anyone I have no doubt at all that Johnson would say so. Was it part of the plan that he was seen apparently drunk, alone in an airport concourse?
Getting things done in a boozy environment does happen. That does not mean it is a good idea!
As i said in the first post most nutters are unorganized and tend to be easy to find by the very fact they are nutters and tend to publicize their beliefs.
Benefits of a private education ole chap 
All i will say is a lot of my opinions are biased on either familial relationships or second hand info
Actually i got that muddled it was Jo Cox that was killed by a right wing extremist. David Amass was killed by a muslin extremist sorry but my point still stands. There was lots that could of been done to avoid both deaths.
The whole argument for spending 31 million is that they need this money to avoid it. That it was completely unavoidable . If all this is to be believed then why wasn’t it done in 2021 or 2016 why now.
Big secret then if the Italian secret service knew about it. The question should be how did the British papers get hold of it was it possibly leaked to and twisted by the media?? Why would the Italian secret service do that maybe they didn’t want Boris’s plans to go through that he was working on at the time
I already said that i am against it but unfortunately there is nothing that can change that apart drom probition but that has never worked well
it is easy to find nutters. Yes.
It sis not so easy to sort out the genuinely dangerous ones from the many that rant and rave etc. If all nutters were locked up then the jails would be overflowing with TNUK members!
Make your mind up!
Is it made up up stuff that you feel very confident about?
My Mate Told Me?
Opinion rather than fact?
Clearly although it could be any of the above it is ■■■■■■■■.
Yes, you are getting things muddled up.
I asked when I said that nothing could be done? You still haven`t answered
The risks are perceived to higher and more widely spread now.
Boris had plans? Well that would be a novelty! 
It was leaked to the papers? Johnson was seen by holiday makers wandering around an Italian airport.
Leaked? As opposed to Johnson’s attempt tom cover up his security breach came out into the open?
The Italians were monitoring the villa as a matter of course because of ex(?)KGB involvement there.
We have laws to stop us driving without full blown prohibition of alcohol.
Ministers who can’t be trusted to behave sensibly should have personnel to hold their hands and stop foolish acts.
make my mind up about what
tell you what come with me to my old school and ill show you the teachers that remember me and Sir John’s son or if you like i can give you the run down of the elphicke family tree. or maybe just google mark field and see who he is married to.
i have answered you but you have chosen to selectively quote in an attempt to try and make me look stupid again. let me try again.
if they need 31 million for new security measures that you obviously agree with what has changed between 2016 and now that warrants 31 million being spent unless of course all these upstanding women and children that have been displaced from Gaza palatine Syria etc and security checked before being right to stay or British citizenship suddenly aren’t so upstanding
most people in the public eye don’t behave sensibly everyday almost there is something in the media,
quoting drink driving laws is pointless we have laws against murder and theft but people still do it. What there isn’t laws against is getting someone drunk and giving them a good time to gain something and there is no way there could be as i meant and said as well you know.
I don’t the passage of time matters; I suspect there’s similar nutters out there, simmering away, ready to do something radical. I’m reasonably confident that our security services could have a tale or two to tell about some “almost” events.
I think the things we’re seeing now, so called “pro-Palestinian marches” that despite not making the news all the time, are I believe still occurring every weekend - happy to be corrected on that by someone living closer to London.
We’ve got people, probably looking little different to you or me, chanting for “Jihad” on the streets of the UK. you may consider that alarmist, I don’t know, but I’m not mad keen on it TBH.
The world is an angry and crazy place these days, it feels even worse than things were during “The Troubles” of the 70’s and 80’s.
The DfT tells we DGSA’s they’d like us all signed up to the Protect UK app based system, they’re clearly genuinely concerned about the potential misuse of High Consequence Dangerous Goods, I expect you’ll have recently seen the “Lockdown” video as part of your Tanks module, I’ve looked for it on YouTube, can’t find it right now but I’m sure it’s there
I asked you where the Tony Blair went jogging without security story came from. You responded that, you went to a private school, had mates, and it may only be opinion not fact.
I still don`t think you have explained anything.
Talking about the family tree of school chums and teachers is further away than ever.
I really don’t follow that.
Are you saying that because laws are broken, it is pointless having laws?
Because people do stupid things, and some are worse than others, then that is good reason to have minders near them. Those who “slip the leash” are, at the least, irresponsible.
|We have had various groups regardless of skin colour shouting all sorts of slogans and daubing buildings etc and the security forces by which i mean military intelligence to the local police force have been able to deal with for decades.
My mother was working teaching in the evening round the corner from brixton at the time of the poll tax riots all the police did was evacuate her class and ■■■■■■ everyone to their cars or out of the area that was all that was needed at the time as it was a small band of local individuals. Nowadays technology has allowed the zealots a platform and a voice so zealots can muster in larger numbers and the public is more aware of it.
There is also a great need to protect the guilty that i suspect wasn’t around in the 70’s and 80’s.
@franglais ill reply like this as its getting long winded to keep quoting different bits The reference to sir David was that it appeared you didn’t relive that i was at school with his son. It was the son that daddy got him a job that one of the people he was protecting was tony blare. The reference to family tree was defending the familial ties that again you seemed to disbelieve.
As to your second point i am not saying laws are pointless you brought up laws against drink driving as an argument against my point that they only way to stop the culture of backroom boozy deals was prohibition presumably implying that a law would stop it. no it wouldn’t. Personally I think we should have stricter laws with harsher punishments.
I never said I disbelieved where you said you went to school. nor any family stuff. I didn’t see it’s relevance until you explained it.
So, you are saying that a son of someone who said he was on Blair`s team etc etc.
Got it. “My Mate Told Me” then.
My point was that drink-driving laws decrease drink-driving.
Having supervision of boozing individuals may well curb their enthusiasm for the bottle.
If you are in favour of stricter laws and punishments, I do wonder what you think would be appropriate punishment for a minister who goes to meet the son of a foreign agent, deliberately losing his security detail, and apparently getting inebriated?
my point is its not my mate down the pub its blogs i went to school with that has a known job because its backroom dealing father got it for him.
I do not know the true reason for that meeting and i suspect people never will however everyone should be held accountable for their actions as Boris always did when he did something wrong.
Fair do’s mate, you had me going for a while.
Now I know you aren’t serious! 
Fair
name one thing Boris did wrong that he didn’t acknowledge. Of course i know your rhetoric about Boris but most of it is false media spun rubbish designed to turn the masses against a politician that did what he said and didn’t follow the mass plan to destroy true democracy and what was once a great country.
I do wonder if you would rather have a politician that all they can say no matter the question is “im a single mum” than someone that does what they say and tries to sort stuff
Repeating the same lie nine times although he said he would correct the record after being pulled up about it, he never has.
Boris Johnson makes false employment claim for ninth time in Parliament - Full Fact
A lie he knows is false because he said he would correct it…Repeated again and again and again…
“He did what he said”?
No border in the Irish Sea.
We will follow the science.
Funding the New Hillingdon Hospital
All WhatsApps and notes have been given to the enquiry
Johnson was found by the Standards Committee (not media rumour) to have lied on an unprecedented scale, and he then slagged off the committee,. He didn`t apologise at all!
Who could that be I wonder? And that wouldn`t be you about to start slagging off someone else would it?
I mean, even if all other politicians were double murderers would that make Johnson an honest man?
Graduate labour market statistics, Calendar year 2022 – Explore education statistics – GOV.UK not a lie true
that is a fact of maritime law and what he actually said was no hard border which there isnt
and so he did the study from imperial collage London said that many could die of the pandemic if nothing was done he did something and blow me the infection rate dropped.
what giving money to a hospital that will improve the service of the community that he comes from how dare he. Diane Abbot made the street where her house is a pedestrian zone adding over 2 million pounds to the value of her house as soon as she got into power. Labour's Diane Abbott backs traffic scheme that would boost the value of her home | Daily Mail Online
im not sure which investigation your referring to the one that proved he did nothing wrong but the media still cried about how unfair it all was sparking another waste of public money with another inquiry
if you were accused of something proven not guilty and then forced to prove it again you would be annoyed in fact we have laws that prevent you from being prosecuted twice for the same thing.
0/6 try harder