kr79:
Two weeks on two weeks off sounds great. The wages are obviously going to be doubled so you can actually live I take it.
The reason there’s a shortage of distance drivers is most people would rather spend Friday night imwith there family or down the pub than doing what I am doing sitting in a lorry in Wisconsin conversing with a nutcase on the Internet.
In the UK before the credit crunch and before the Eastern European driver invasion we had a driver shortage not a license holder shortage a driver shortage.
Face it unless you realy want to be a lorry driver it isn’t realy selling it self as a great job unless you do local work like skips and builders merchant deliverys which have pretty regular hours you can’t plan much of a life round been a tramper during the week doing a 60 hour week to earn a half decent wage add on all the other crap it’s not much of a job unless you want to do it.
Where’s the big difference between double manning a wagon and paying the two drivers by the hour or just employing the two drivers seperately on a rota paid on mileage.There’s also information elsewhere that effectively more or less doubling the rate of pay is actually one of the options on the table to make the job more attractive.However it’s obvious that without rotas that won’t make the slightest difference to the issue of drivers not being at home as much as they’d like to be.
So you’re one of the ( very ) rare type of driver who prefers local skip tipper etc etc zb work instead of long haul work.Which seems to just be your own personal issue with the job which you’re then blaming me for.The fact is it takes a very special type of driver to prefer the idea of local zb work v long distance whereas I think you’ll find that there’s a lot more drivers who enter the industry for the travel and freedom of the long distance sector.Assuming that is they’re cut out for it and assuming that the operators can ( eventually ) do something about the issue of 2-3 weeks away living in a truck then 2 days at home and turn around and do it all again.
BigJon:
Canada knew carryfast was coming, the BS detectors set off as he left the house.
Canada is NOT a Colony, it Is and has been a Dominion of the Crown since 1867, We have not used Dominion in reference to our country since we changed Dominion Day to Canada Day, in 1982. The only connection we have with Britain as of present is we share the same head of state… The Queen, She is the Queen of Canada and the Queen of the UK.
Also wtf is an Ethnic British immigrant? why does it matter that you (carryfast) keep refering to imigrants as ethnic ?
So you don’t see any connection between the ethnic British basis of Canada,Australia or New Zealand as being the difference between those countries compared India or China etc etc and it’s those ethnic British roots which made those colonies what they are compared to those other places. 
As for bs I think that fits the Canadian immigration and citizenship policy not the idea of viewing the place as still effectively being a British colony.At least from the point of view of the freedom of movement of indigenous ( as opposed to immigrants regardless of their place of birth ) British labour between the home country and it’s so called ‘dominions’.
Big Jon’s dad:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/work/apply-who-eligible.asp
Who can work in Canada?
Interestingly:
Quoted:
Inadmissibility
Some people are inadmissible—they are not allowed to come to Canada. Several things can make you inadmissible, including involvement in criminal activity, in human rights violations or in organized crime.
You can also be inadmissible for security, health or financial reasons.
/quote
Nothing about being a Brit here.
Now try to find the exact policy as it existed during the 1980’s as regards to the admissability of immigrant British truck drivers who didn’t/don’t have any of those issues to worry about.
Carryfast:
Big Jon’s dad:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/work/apply-who-eligible.asp
Who can work in Canada?
Interestingly:
Quoted:
Inadmissibility
Some people are inadmissible—they are not allowed to come to Canada. Several things can make you inadmissible, including involvement in criminal activity, in human rights violations or in organized crime.
You can also be inadmissible for security, health or financial reasons.
/quote
Nothing about being a Brit here.
Now try to find the exact policy as it existed during the 1980’s as regards to the admissability of immigrant British truck drivers who didn’t/don’t have any of those issues to worry about.
mapleleafweb.com/features/im … nd-debates
Ok, here you are. The history of Canadian immigration policy, so once again, you lose.
As an economic migrant you must have failed to meet the criteria, which wasn’t about your nationality.
See the points scheme. You got points for educational attainment, language skills, connections to Canada, employment skills, and stuff like that. Where did you score too low? Education perchance?
If it is any consolation, I remember doing the points calculation myself just out of interest many years ago. I failed to get enough points to emigrate but as I’m a citizen it doesn’t matter, I can go anyway if and when I want to. You could go now though as a TFW for a couple of years just for the experience.
By the way you are wrong about Canadian drivers prefering long distance work to local work. Canada allows long distance truckers in on an LMO as they can’t find enough local people willing to do the job. That is not so with local work, you cannot get into Canada on an LMO to do local driving because the local drivers will take those jobs. Guess what? You were wrong again. Not exactly unusual though.
Big Jon’s dad:
Carryfast:
Big Jon’s dad:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/work/apply-who-eligible.asp
Who can work in Canada?
Interestingly:
Quoted:
Inadmissibility
Some people are inadmissible—they are not allowed to come to Canada. Several things can make you inadmissible, including involvement in criminal activity, in human rights violations or in organized crime.
You can also be inadmissible for security, health or financial reasons.
/quote
Nothing about being a Brit here.
Now try to find the exact policy as it existed during the 1980’s as regards to the admissability of immigrant British truck drivers who didn’t/don’t have any of those issues to worry about.
mapleleafweb.com/features/im … nd-debates
Ok, here you are. The history of Canadian immigration policy, so once again, you lose.
As an economic migrant you must have failed to meet the criteria, which wasn’t about your nationality.
See the points scheme. You got points for educational attainment, language skills, connections to Canada, employment skills, and stuff like that. Where did you score too low? Education perchance?
If it is any consolation, I remember doing the points calculation myself just out of interest many years ago. I failed to get enough points to emigrate but as I’m a citizen it doesn’t matter, I can go anyway if and when I want to. You could go now though as a TFW for a couple of years just for the experience.
By the way you are wrong about Canadian drivers prefering long distance work to local work. Canada allows long distance truckers in on an LMO as they can’t find enough local people willing to do the job. That is not so with local work, you cannot get into Canada on an LMO to do local driving because the local drivers will take those jobs. Guess what? You were wrong again. Not exactly unusual though.
The fact is in my case I wasn’t given a chance to answer any questions regarding all that bs.The system was based on type of job first and foremeost and it wouldn’t have mattered if I’d have been working for NASA as a rocket scientist in the case of asking for a permit to be allowed in to drive a truck which,at the time,was a job reserved for Canadian nationals only.Or probably Indians .
Ironically in my case the job I was offered was working for a Canadian owner driver from New Brunswick with a contract with a decent long haul distribution company pulling box trailers.Who I was talking to about his wagon,which was parked up in the services on the I 95 during a trip down to Florida from NY while I was on holiday.He was close to retirement and had had enough of running all over North America and wanted to call it a day.He must have though it was Christmas when he found a 28 year old Brit fan of yank trucks who’d jump at the chance of long haul work in North America.Which is why he gave me a business card and told me to get in touch and arrange to get over there to work for him as soon as I got home and he didn’t give a zb about my so called ‘education’ history although it was good enough.‘That’s’ when I ran up against the zb’s/gestapo at the time who ran the Canadian immigration ‘advice’ and authorities over here.Unfortunately for both him and me. 
Carryfast:
‘That’s’ when I ran up against the zb’s/gestapo at the time who ran the Canadian immigration ‘advice’ and authorities over here.
Well, the way I read this is that either you spoke to the Canadian Immigration office at the Embassy in London, or you filled in a form to emigrate. If it was a form that got knocked back, I assume you must have filled it in wrongly. OTOH if you had a conversation or an interview with embassy staff and you came out with some of the attitudes you display on this forum such as Brits having a right to go to “our colony” or some of the blatantly racist statements you make here, it is hardly a surprise they didn’t think you would fit in. They probably wouldn’t appreciate you telling them how to run their economy either. Do you think you may have shot yourself in the foot by not keeping schtum about some of your beliefs?
Big Jon’s dad:
Carryfast:
‘That’s’ when I ran up against the zb’s/gestapo at the time who ran the Canadian immigration ‘advice’ and authorities over here.
Well, the way I read this is that either you spoke to the Canadian Immigration office at the Embassy in London, or you filled in a form to emigrate. If it was a form that got knocked back, I assume you must have filled it in wrongly. OTOH if you had a conversation or an interview with embassy staff and you came out with some of the attitudes you display on this forum such as Brits having a right to go to “our colony” or some of the blatantly racist statements you make here, it is hardly a surprise they didn’t think you would fit in. They probably wouldn’t appreciate you telling them how to run their economy either. Do you think you may have shot yourself in the foot by not keeping schtum about some of your beliefs?
For the umpteenth time it wasn’t anything to do with my so called ‘education’, beliefs,or form filling.That’s because politics aren’t/weren’t part of Canadian immigration policy.‘But’ British nationals asking for a work permit,allowing them to be employed driving trucks,certainly was and 'that’s what stopped me fom even getting to the stage of filling in any forms.
However if Brits who think that Canada is an ethnic British country and that both British ‘and’ Canadian jobs should go to indigenous British ‘and’ Canadian workers,in both countries,on an open door basis,between the two countries,is considered there as zb racist then it’s lucky for me I never got the chance to go.
Carryfast:
Big Jon’s dad:
Carryfast:
‘That’s’ when I ran up against the zb’s/gestapo at the time who ran the Canadian immigration ‘advice’ and authorities over here.
Well, the way I read this is that either you spoke to the Canadian Immigration office at the Embassy in London, or you filled in a form to emigrate. If it was a form that got knocked back, I assume you must have filled it in wrongly. OTOH if you had a conversation or an interview with embassy staff and you came out with some of the attitudes you display on this forum such as Brits having a right to go to “our colony” or some of the blatantly racist statements you make here, it is hardly a surprise they didn’t think you would fit in. They probably wouldn’t appreciate you telling them how to run their economy either. Do you think you may have shot yourself in the foot by not keeping schtum about some of your beliefs?
For the umpteenth time it wasn’t anything to do with my so called ‘education’, beliefs,or form filling.That’s because politics aren’t/weren’t part of Canadian immigration policy.‘But’ British nationals asking for a work permit,allowing them to be employed driving trucks,certainly was and 'that’s what stopped me fom even getting to the stage of filling in any forms.
However if Brits who think that Canada is an ethnic British country and that both British ‘and’ Canadian jobs should go to indigenous British ‘and’ Canadian workers,in both countries,on an open door basis,between the two countries,is considered there as zb racist then it’s lucky for me I never got the chance to go.
Sounds like a win win situation. You wouldn’t have fitted in with your attitudes and they were spared dealing with you. Good job by the embassy staff then.
This allowed you to test drive fire engines round and round the track going nowhere. You could apply to work in Europe but that didn’t go anywhere either, and you could run tilts up to Birmingham. Not a wasted driving career at all then… Maybe you should take up offering careers advice to school leavers? 
Carryfast. Despite Canada being mostly ethnically British with the exception of the largest cities and the French bits, most Canadians under the age of 50 think of British people as foreigners in the same way they think of Germans, Russians or Zimbabweans. Skip forward a generation or two and many young Canadians havent got a clue where Britain is, some havent even heared of it before and all this despite the fact that the British union flag flies in most towns alongside the current Candian flag and the former one and despite the fact that 9 out of 10 of them have a surname placing their ancestry in England, Ireland, Scotland or Wales. The ruling classes of Canada are more hell bent on creating the ultimate multi-cultural utopia than even the tree hugging hippes from British universities that make up our ruling elite are and by and large the white British origined population of Canada has bought in to that idea much more than Britain has.
One thing I would like to know is, as a truck driver, we dont in ourselves qualify for immigration to Canada, however individual provinces have been allowed to somewhat bypass federal procedures and requirements and bring in workers where there is a demand in lower skilled categories, this is how places like New Brunswick, Manitoba and Alberta have been able to bring us all over and how we’ve been able to get permanent residence, in what would otherwise have been impossible, as was indeed the case when you tried in the 80s. Ontario does not offer PNP for truck drivers, in Ontario you can simply work as a truck driver on temporary work permits until you’ve had 4 and then have to leave, never actually being eligable to stay and become a permanent resident. Thats why most of us Brits have ended up in the back end of beyond working for cowboy companies on milleage pay when there are hundreds of companies in the Greater Toronto area offering far better pay and condition and time at home. We can’t go and settle there until we have gained residence in another province, however nobody seems to be able to explain how hundreds of thousands of Indians and Pakistanis’ (called East Indians here) have managed to arrive there and start driving trucks and remain there forever more. We can’t do it, so how the hell can they?
robinhood_1984:
Carryfast. Despite Canada being mostly ethnically British with the exception of the largest cities and the French bits, most Canadians under the age of 50 think of British people as foreigners in the same way they think of Germans, Russians or Zimbabweans. Skip forward a generation or two and many young Canadians havent got a clue where Britain is, some havent even heared of it before and all this despite the fact that the British union flag flies in most towns alongside the current Candian flag and the former one and despite the fact that 9 out of 10 of them have a surname placing their ancestry in England, Ireland, Scotland or Wales. The ruling classes of Canada are more hell bent on creating the ultimate multi-cultural utopia than even the tree hugging hippes from British universities that make up our ruling elite are and by and large the white British origined population of Canada has bought in to that idea much more than Britain has.
One thing I would like to know is, as a truck driver, we dont in ourselves qualify for immigration to Canada, however individual provinces have been allowed to somewhat bypass federal procedures and requirements and bring in workers where there is a demand in lower skilled categories, this is how places like New Brunswick, Manitoba and Alberta have been able to bring us all over and how we’ve been able to get permanent residence, in what would otherwise have been impossible, as was indeed the case when you tried in the 80s. Ontario does not offer PNP for truck drivers, in Ontario you can simply work as a truck driver on temporary work permits until you’ve had 4 and then have to leave, never actually being eligable to stay and become a permanent resident. Thats why most of us Brits have ended up in the back end of beyond working for cowboy companies on milleage pay when there are hundreds of companies in the Greater Toronto area offering far better pay and condition and time at home. We can’t go and settle there until we have gained residence in another province, however nobody seems to be able to explain how hundreds of thousands of Indians and Pakistanis’ (called East Indians here) have managed to arrive there and start driving trucks and remain there forever more. We can’t do it, so how the hell can they?
That’s exactly what I’ve been saying 110% and according to BJD I’m a racist because of it.Who ever amongst the original colonial governors and British forces who founded the place would ever have believed what it all came to. 
The scary bit is how long before the Brits are viewed in the same way in the home country. 
Carryfast:
That’s exactly what I’ve been saying 110% and according to BJD I’m a racist because of it.Who ever amongst the original colonial governors and British forces who founded the place would ever have believed what it all came to.
The scary bit is how long before the Brits are viewed in the same way in the home country.
The US is no different. Totally impossible for British citizens to move there as a truck driver permanentely, the UK isn’t even on the green card lottery while most other countries in the world are, just what are they trying to say here? Despite that, 25% or more of US trucks seem to be driven by Johnny foreigner from Russia, Africa and most of Latin America. When most Americans realise you drive a Canadian truck they ask “Why are you in Canada, its freezing there, why dont you live here?”…their shock at hearing that America doesn’t want British people with clean criminal records, years of driving experience and tens of thousands of dollars in the bank that will be injected in to the American economy if we were to arrive, buy homes and furniture and cars etc and all they will let in are Mexican peasants with no money and Russians with no tracable criminal record and such like. Now that I’ve been here and seen most of Canada and the US, I’m glad I’m not allowed to live in America but its still insulting that the door is firmly closed to British people who’d want to do things properly, yet the back door has been firmly kicked in with Mexicans pouring in and obvious different sets of entry requirements being given to the hordes who’ve arrived from eastern Europe and Russia and set up shop as truck drivers in America.
robinhood_1984:
We can’t do it, so how the hell can they?
Family class immigrants get open work permits as do business class immigrants. The British contingent don’t make as much use of these routes of immigration compared to the wraparoundstetson wallas as our families are a lot looser. We rarely have more than a nucleous of a family while other cultures stick together more with multiple generations sharing the same accomodation and all helping each other to move up the economic ladder.
Brits tend to just moan about how hard it all is instead of knuckling down.
Cultural differences is all it is.
We could learn a thing or two from other cultures.
Have you noticed that in Canada and the US someone who is successful is looked up to as someone to emulate? They get a pat on the back and congratulated on achieving success.
The same person in Britain would be the subject of deep envy and instead of being praised for being successful, they would be the subject of wrecking attempts to bring them down to the level of the have nots. This too is part of culture differences. Pity we can’t raise the have nots upwards instead of dragging the haves down.
Big Jon’s dad:
Family class immigrants get open work permits as do business class immigrants. The British contingent don’t make as much use of these routes of immigration compared to the wraparoundstetson wallas as our families are a lot looser. We rarely have more than a nucleous of a family while other cultures stick together more with multiple generations sharing the same accomodation and all helping each other to move up the economic ladder.
Thats certainly true. I’ve spoken to several East Indians and a few Turks in Canada who are owner drivers and they all started off being a part owner in one truck and over time he bought out his partners or they bought him out and so on until they all owned a truck each. They certainly stick together and help each other out.
robinhood_1984:
Carryfast:
That’s exactly what I’ve been saying 110% and according to BJD I’m a racist because of it.Who ever amongst the original colonial governors and British forces who founded the place would ever have believed what it all came to.
The scary bit is how long before the Brits are viewed in the same way in the home country.
The US is no different. Totally impossible for British citizens to move there as a truck driver permanentely, the UK isn’t even on the green card lottery while most other countries in the world are, just what are they trying to say here? Despite that, 25% or more of US trucks seem to be driven by Johnny foreigner from Russia, Africa and most of Latin America. When most Americans realise you drive a Canadian truck they ask “Why are you in Canada, its freezing there, why dont you live here?”…their shock at hearing that America doesn’t want British people with clean criminal records, years of driving experience and tens of thousands of dollars in the bank that will be injected in to the American economy if we were to arrive, buy homes and furniture and cars etc and all they will let in are Mexican peasants with no money and Russians with no tracable criminal record and such like. Now that I’ve been here and seen most of Canada and the US, I’m glad I’m not allowed to live in America but its still insulting that the door is firmly closed to British people who’d want to do things properly, yet the back door has been firmly kicked in with Mexicans pouring in and obvious different sets of entry requirements being given to the hordes who’ve arrived from eastern Europe and Russia and set up shop as truck drivers in America.
The situation in the USA at present is the same as it was in Canada during the 1980’s.It really isn’t difficult to realise that the whole thing is a cheap labour scam in which discriminatory policies are/have been applied over the years to keep that situation going while trying to hide it in the case of Canada by token opening up of the labour market to Brits while the American labour market still blatantly applies such discrimination without giving a zb. 
Big Jon’s dad:
robinhood_1984:
We can’t do it, so how the hell can they?
Family class immigrants get open work permits as do business class immigrants. The British contingent don’t make as much use of these routes of immigration compared to the wraparoundstetson wallas as our families are a lot looser. We rarely have more than a nucleous of a family while other cultures stick together more with multiple generations sharing the same accomodation and all helping each other to move up the economic ladder.
Brits tend to just moan about how hard it all is instead of knuckling down.
Cultural differences is all it is.
We could learn a thing or two from other cultures.
Have you noticed that in Canada and the US someone who is successful is looked up to as someone to emulate? They get a pat on the back and congratulated on achieving success.
The same person in Britain would be the subject of deep envy and instead of being praised for being successful, they would be the subject of wrecking attempts to bring them down to the level of the have nots. This too is part of culture differences. Pity we can’t raise the have nots upwards instead of dragging the haves down.
None of which is relevant in the case of a young single Brit looking for employed work in Canada of which according to the hype they’ve got loads of such work and a shortage of such drivers.So what’s so wrong with viewing the two countries what they are in being closely tied British based countries in which an open door immigration and labour policy should apply between the two without Brits needing to jump through hoops to get in to work there.I’ll be even more controversial,from your point of view,in saying that British/Canadian car and LGV driving licences should be interchangeable in each country without the need to take different tests.
As for the last paragraph.Are you saying that the US economy wasn’t better off with strong unions keeping wage levels and therefore spending power up.On the basis of them and us between workers and management before Reagan got in and smashed the US unions and gave away all those American unionised jobs to the Chinese and the Mexicans etc etc.
British and Canadian car licences already are interchangeable, except Northern Irish licences, although there isn’t a national Canadian driving licence as such. Each Canadian province and territory issues its own licences which have to be exchanged if you move provinces. No test required for UK car drivers nor drivers from other provinces in Canada.
The provincial class 1 truck drivers licence is not the same as UK HGV licence as it covers driving any class of vehicle except a 2 wheeler. This includes buses, taxis, ambulances, semi trailers, straight trucks etc. Air brakes form an important component of all class 1 licences in Canada. The pretrip is more important than the driving part of the test and the rules of the road are not the same as in the UK as I’m sure you are already aware.
mickyblue:
Carryfast:
kr79:
Two weeks on two weeks off sounds great. The wages are obviously going to be doubled so you can actually live I take it.
The reason there’s a shortage of distance drivers is most people would rather spend Friday night imwith there family or down the pub than doing what I am doing sitting in a lorry in Wisconsin conversing with a nutcase on the Internet.
In the UK before the credit crunch and before the Eastern European driver invasion we had a driver shortage not a license holder shortage a driver shortage.
Face it unless you realy want to be a lorry driver it isn’t realy selling it self as a great job unless you do local work like skips and builders merchant deliverys which have pretty regular hours you can’t plan much of a life round been a tramper during the week doing a 60 hour week to earn a half decent wage add on all the other crap it’s not much of a job unless you want to do it.
Where’s the big difference between double manning a wagon and paying the two drivers by the hour or just employing the two drivers seperately on a rota paid on mileage.There’s also information elsewhere that effectively more or less doubling the rate of pay is actually one of the options on the table to make the job more attractive.However it’s obvious that without rotas that won’t make the slightest difference to the issue of drivers not being at home as much as they’d like to be.
So you’re one of the ( very ) rare type of driver who prefers local skip tipper etc etc zb work instead of long haul work.Which seems to just be your own personal issue with the job which you’re then blaming me for.The fact is it takes a very special type of driver to prefer the idea of local zb work v long distance whereas I think you’ll find that there’s a lot more drivers who enter the industry for the travel and freedom of the long distance sector.Assuming that is they’re cut out for it and assuming that the operators can ( eventually ) do something about the issue of 2-3 weeks away living in a truck then 2 days at home and turn around and do it all again.
Have you got a job?
No luckily for me I haven’t needed one for years.But I think my experiences during my younger years concerning creatain issues related to the job such as the one of the opportunities for working overseas are relevant.
Big Jon’s dad:
British and Canadian car licences already are interchangeable, except Northern Irish licences, although there isn’t a national Canadian driving licence as such. Each Canadian province and territory issues its own licences which have to be exchanged if you move provinces. No test required for UK car drivers nor drivers from other provinces in Canada.
The provincial class 1 truck drivers licence is not the same as UK HGV licence as it covers driving any class of vehicle except a 2 wheeler. This includes buses, taxis, ambulances, semi trailers, straight trucks etc. Air brakes form an important component of all class 1 licences in Canada. The pretrip is more important than the driving part of the test and the rules of the road are not the same as in the UK as I’m sure you are already aware.
So I’m assuming that a test pass with an artic covers the class 1 in Canada 
.In which case what’s the problem with an artic test pass and class 1/C+E licence in uk just being accepted in regards to interchangeability with a Canadian class 1 licence without needing to bother with the Canadian test.Bearing in mind that it’s actually possible for a British driver, using a British licence,to drive a truck in the US or Canada,so long as it’s on temporary entry and vice versa.While the same also applies in the case of Mexican drivers in the case of the USA at least.
While also bearing in mind that the rules of the road were/are different for those Brit drivers running as far as the Middle East with British trucks as soon as they crossed the Channel.In just the same way that the rules of the road are different here for a foreign driver using a foreign licence to drive a foreign truck on temporary entry here and in just the same way as the rules of the road are different for uk drivers,just like other foreign nationals,driving cars using their home issued licences wherever they are in the world.Although in this case,as I’ve said,the issue is just one of the interchangeability of LGV driving licences between 3 closely tied British colonial ‘dominions’ nothing more.In just the same way as obviously seems to apply in Canada in the case of car licences.So why the big deal in the case of LGV licences .
Carryfast:
No luckily for me I haven’t needed one for years.But I think my experiences during my younger years concerning creatain issues related to the job such as the one of the opportunities for working overseas are relevant.
Then whats stopping you having a 6 month holiday over here in Canada? Like I said, if you are willing to come here I’m sure I can sort you a job out within a matter of days with a local company who are always, and I mean always, looking for “meat in the seat” as they refer to it.