25000 to 33000 truck drivers needed in Canada

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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kr79:
Carryfast the fact is not enough people want to live in a tin box for mileage pay when they can get a job paying half decent money and be at home.
The fact is the job isn’t like smokey and the bandit and in reality is most of the time pretty boring. It’s Friday afternoon 2.30 Friday afternoon here I’ve just stopped for dinner and have another four or five hours to do and will be spending my Friday night in a truckstop in Wisconsin. The fact is not enough people want to live this kind of lifestyle to cover the job with Canadian born drivers.
Although Canada hasn’t been affected by the global downturn as much as other nations the states has and every truckstop you go in there are magazines full of long distance jobs.
I think a decent pay structure with a decent basic would help alleviate the driver shortage.

And you’re saying any truck driver couldn’t handle that lifestyle assuming that some civilised working conditions were applied to it in the form of employing enough drivers to allow as much time at home as spent away on the road such as that idea of 2-3 weeks on 2-3 weeks off which effectively is no more difficult to sort out than 4 on 4 off shifts in other sectors of the industry.

As for the pay they can’t afford to pay drivers on a hourly basis out of earnings based on mileage especially when there doesn’t seem to be enough demand from the customers to run those miles for a decent rate. :bulb:

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Winseer:

JIMBO47:

Winseer:
This is all pie in the sky as far as I’m concerned.

I’ve already been advised by the Canadian Authorities that without an employer offering me a substantial contract up front (not going to be the case here is it?) I fail the “means test” of not being able to buy a house cash in Canada out of my UK liquidation proceeds.

The whole thing sounds like one of those agency training things that always bang on about there being a shortgage of drivers.
There is a shortgage of well paid jobs (or sponsors in this case) but not a shortage of low-paying firms, or ones willing to take on drivers from south of the border, who’ll be living in their caravans. :frowning:

Can only speak for Manitoba …but to get a Labour Market Opinion (LMO)the employer must send you a Contract of employment(talking driving) that says min wage first 3months $3500.rest of contract $4000 monthly.this seems around the average i have seen… if the firm dont have the right figures on the contract …it will be refused by the gov.(it must be average wage for that job in province)…
Not sure what you say about failing the means test… as if you have a contract (job) to go to you do not need to show wheelbarrow loads o money …but you must have enough to live on until you start work and not allowed to claim of gov straight away.
THere are good jobs to start with but you need to dig a bit…and off course more than a few that will take u up the kyber.
As i said before when you get the work permit .say 2yrs you can only extend it 2more yrs MAX ,then leave Canada for 4yrs or apply for Permanent Residency but to get PR you must be able to speak ,read ,write English or French
the last part has came in december 2012. so no doubt this will help ethnic english speakers in the long run .
jimmy

No, the job being offered was OTE (which I’m told was a complete no no from the very start!) and laid on as ‘no tied accommodation beyond 6 months’, which wasn’t deducted from pay. In other words, I could have turned up in Canada, been told on day 2 that “we’ve got no wheels turning, so you’re not getting paid, but you’ll still be paying us rent for the accommodation provided out of your savings”. The authorities didn’t like it without me having a substantial wedge to go over there with. I’m talking around the half a mil CD$ mark here, which is about the cash price of a decent 3 bedroomed semi in the south of England right now. No way I’m going to have that kind of money short of my retirement in these times of stagnant pay for a decade plus already. :frowning:

I’m guessing a proper contract worth something to the authorities would be something like “guaranteed 2 years pay minimum base earnings” factors thrown in. Obviously, they are not going to want the guaranteeing of any pay at all, if the incoming driver is an unknown quantity that might take the ■■■■, and be off sick all the time, or go for some other dodge that brings the Brit worker into disrepute worldwide. :confused:

I would have been happy signing up to a contract with no sick pay at all - provided I get the guaranteed pay aspect for “going to work” each day they ask me. :exclamation:

While in my case it was just a case of outright refusal to grant a work permit to drive a truck no ifs no buts.While being told by the Canadian authorities that even if they did grant one,which they wouldn’t,the job would need to remain advertised in case a Canadian wanted it.Although I’m betting that plenty of Asian etc immigrants have had an easier time getting in. :unamused:

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Carryfast:
You say it’s me who’s talking bs.You’re having a laugh. :unamused:

The fact is the Canadian government over the years,since at least the 1970’s,has used a bs politically correct,reverse racist,so called ‘multi cultural’ immigration system,that descriminates against ethnic British immigrants and which has varied from at worse outright refusal to allow them to take up jobs when offered,as in my case,or at best made them jump through hoops to enter the country.While no surprise opening up it’s job market to ethnic Asian and other poor country groups who,since that time,have been allowed in in far greater numbers than Brits as part of a deliberate policy of ethnic social engineering.Which doesn’t seem consistent with the interests of keeping the place an ethnic British based colony/country which started out with a 60% ethnic British colonial make up of it’s total population before then sorting out the French and showing them who’s boss.

Although such a policy would make sense in the case of a country that wants to use cheap imported labour from poorer countries with obviously lower expectations than Brits in regard to terms and conditions at the expense of turning a British based country into a multicultural zb up. :unamused:

parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/Resea … 0920-e.htm

I don’t know why you keep digging up links that undermine your argument.

from your link:
"Moreover, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms addresses the elimination of expressions of discrimination by guaranteeing both equality and fairness to all under the law, regardless of race or ethnicity. Section 15(1) states:

Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, ■■■, age, or mental or physical disability. "

Far from reverse racism and discrimination against British potential immigrants, the law says they must have equal chances compared to all other groups. Everyone has to jump through the same hoops. Mayby you are just crap at jumping? Probably your chip puts you off balance.

Since then the language requirement has been beefed up. As English is your native tongue, you should have an advantage compared to other non English or French speaking candidates.
You almost certainly failed the attitude test or you didn’t fill in your application properly. Bitterness doesn’t help you know?

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Big Jon’s dad:

Carryfast:
You say it’s me who’s talking bs.You’re having a laugh. :unamused:

The fact is the Canadian government over the years,since at least the 1970’s,has used a bs politically correct,reverse racist,so called ‘multi cultural’ immigration system,that descriminates against ethnic British immigrants and which has varied from at worse outright refusal to allow them to take up jobs when offered,as in my case,or at best made them jump through hoops to enter the country.While no surprise opening up it’s job market to ethnic Asian and other poor country groups who,since that time,have been allowed in in far greater numbers than Brits as part of a deliberate policy of ethnic social engineering.Which doesn’t seem consistent with the interests of keeping the place an ethnic British based colony/country which started out with a 60% ethnic British colonial make up of it’s total population before then sorting out the French and showing them who’s boss.

Although such a policy would make sense in the case of a country that wants to use cheap imported labour from poorer countries with obviously lower expectations than Brits in regard to terms and conditions at the expense of turning a British based country into a multicultural zb up. :unamused:

parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/Resea … 0920-e.htm

I don’t know why you keep digging up links that undermine your argument.

from your link:
"Moreover, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms addresses the elimination of expressions of discrimination by guaranteeing both equality and fairness to all under the law, regardless of race or ethnicity. Section 15(1) states:

Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, ■■■, age, or mental or physical disability. "

Far from reverse racism and discrimination against British potential immigrants, the law says they must have equal chances compared to all other groups. Everyone has to jump through the same hoops. Mayby you are just crap at jumping? Probably your chip puts you off balance.

Since then the language requirement has been beefed up. As English is your native tongue, you should have an advantage compared to other non English or French speaking candidates.
You almost certainly failed the attitude test or you didn’t fill in your application properly. Bitterness doesn’t help you know?

Which part of during the 1980’s there were no ‘applications’,because Canadian truck driving jobs weren’t open to immigrant drivers,at that time,even though Canadian employers seemed happy enough to employ them,including myself,don’t you understand.

Although having said that I’m betting that it was a bs policy directed at Brits in order to implement an obvious policy of changing the population make up of the country which history and the figures show worked.

But reverse racism yes any deliberate policy that’s designed to change the demographics and ethnic make up of the population from one that reflects a mainly British ethnic base and make up,in an ethnic British country,to one that doesn’t,is reverse racism.IE why the zb should the Brits only have ‘equal chances’ with Asians etc etc in our own country and colonies.Which just leaves the question who gains from this.

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You didn’t seem to have much success with job applications did you

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switchlogic:
You didn’t seem to have much success with job applications did you

At least it’s something which you can’t say I’ve got no experience of as usual.In this case there was actually no problem with the job application.The problem was with the Canadian government’s bs immigration policies as they apply to British immigrant workers.Which no surprise aren’t much different now.

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Considering how many on this forum are over there working and and how many drivers I’ve worked with who’ve ended up in Canada I’m not sure how they discriminate against the British. Just because they didn’t want you doesn’t mean they don’t want a whole nationality.

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switchlogic:
Considering how many on this forum are over there working and and how many drivers I’ve worked with who’ve ended up in Canada I’m not sure how they discriminate against the British. Just because they didn’t want you doesn’t mean they don’t want a whole nationality.

It’s a ‘bit’ easier for the Brits to get there in recent years than it was in previous ones when I applied.However my point is that in addition to the impossibility of British drivers to get in then,even now it’s just a easy for Asians etc etc to get into Canada as Brits or just a difficult for Brits to get in as Asians etc etc depending on your point of view. :unamused:

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Carryfast:

JIMBO47:

Kerbdog:
Soon Canada and the US will enter into a union with Mexico and then there will be 100,000 new drivers willing to work for half the wages although their English won’t be that good as they can only speak fluently in Spanish. :laughing:

Nope not in Canada they wont.
New rules came in that to apply for residency and citizenship you must be able to read /write /understand English /french.
Even born an bred UK citizens have to do the exams unless you have english o levels and even then some are being made to do the tests. :blush:
and same as uk …well its the law no internal movements to be done ie…Leave Canada --Deliver -in–USA next move has to be back to Canada.
jimmy.

A Mexican truck hauling a load from USA-Canada isn’t internal/cabotage just as a Polish truck hauling a load from UK-Italy isn’t.

While those of us ethnic fluent English speaking ( because it’s our own language remember ) Brits who’ve been refused entry to Canada in the past,while Asians etc etc have been allowed in,know all about Canada’s immigration policy,which is based on a deliberate quota system based on racial diversity not one related to the English language. :unamused:

you wont see a Mexican truck doing a run like that the checks they have to go through is carzy just to go 10 mins inside the US. Last week I picked up produce from Mexico in Texas and ran it to regina SK so for get that part to start with, the english speak and writing test has only come in this year and its to stop problems like you have in the UK with non english speaking people living there

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Carryfast:
Then they want to deal with the issues of being away from home too long by adding satellite tracking,EOBR’s and zb speed limiters and double manning trucks etc etc.Instead of what’s needed in employing more drivers on shorter rotas like 2-3 weeks away and 2-3 weeks home while keeping log books and a good old fashioned,non green party policy,regarding speed and fuel use and fuel pricing policy.

Then added to that they say they want to allow foreign drivers in but of course the Brits don’t get special treatment for immigration purposes in what is our own colony.In which case Asians etc etc have as much,if not more,chance as Brits not forgetting Canada’s bs reverse racist immigration policy which is based on ‘diversity’ quotas.

Then last but not least they come out with bs like rail freight isn’t a growing threat to the long haul trucking industry there just as it is everywhere else. :unamused:

right ok so the qualcom is used to track the truck and so you can get you run details thats nowt different to the trackers back home and they use that because a lot of places you cant get a cell signal so its also for safety if you break down and its - 40!!!
most of the guys I know the time depends on them if you dont wanna go away for 3 weeks or more at a time then dont its simple and i most def dont know a driver tha has that amount of time off on a regular basis. Saw you mention about ‘double manning’ wake up CF unless its a modern design truck you wont fit 2 bunks in the sleeper as they are not tall enoug for that and TEAM running has been around for a while as far as I know you get paid more for it but its hard work and the truck is on the go 24 hrs a day stopping only for fuel and to drop and reload

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Carryfast:

switchlogic:
Considering how many on this forum are over there working and and how many drivers I’ve worked with who’ve ended up in Canada I’m not sure how they discriminate against the British. Just because they didn’t want you doesn’t mean they don’t want a whole nationality.

It’s a ‘bit’ easier for the Brits to get there in recent years than it was in previous ones when I applied.However my point is that in addition to the impossibility of British drivers to get in then,even now it’s just a easy for Asians etc etc to get into Canada as Brits or just a difficult for Brits to get in as Asians etc etc depending on your point of view. :unamused:

Talking through your vast experiance then

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taffytrucker:

Carryfast:

JIMBO47:

Kerbdog:
Soon Canada and the US will enter into a union with Mexico and then there will be 100,000 new drivers willing to work for half the wages although their English won’t be that good as they can only speak fluently in Spanish. :laughing:

Nope not in Canada they wont.
New rules came in that to apply for residency and citizenship you must be able to read /write /understand English /french.
Even born an bred UK citizens have to do the exams unless you have english o levels and even then some are being made to do the tests. :blush:
and same as uk …well its the law no internal movements to be done ie…Leave Canada --Deliver -in–USA next move has to be back to Canada.
jimmy.

A Mexican truck hauling a load from USA-Canada isn’t internal/cabotage just as a Polish truck hauling a load from UK-Italy isn’t.

While those of us ethnic fluent English speaking ( because it’s our own language remember ) Brits who’ve been refused entry to Canada in the past,while Asians etc etc have been allowed in,know all about Canada’s immigration policy,which is based on a deliberate quota system based on racial diversity not one related to the English language. :unamused:

you wont see a Mexican truck doing a run like that the checks they have to go through is carzy just to go 10 mins inside the US. Last week I picked up produce from Mexico in Texas and ran it to regina SK so for get that part to start with, the english speak and writing test has only come in this year and its to stop problems like you have in the UK with non english speaking people living there

So far.That’s until the land of the free and Canada suddenly wake up and realise that they’re pushing a bs global free market agenda of east european tramping operations throughout europe.While at the same time trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted by trying to stop the same thing eventually happening over there on their own turf regarding the Mexican fleet. :unamused:

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taffytrucker:

Carryfast:
Then they want to deal with the issues of being away from home too long by adding satellite tracking,EOBR’s and zb speed limiters and double manning trucks etc etc.Instead of what’s needed in employing more drivers on shorter rotas like 2-3 weeks away and 2-3 weeks home while keeping log books and a good old fashioned,non green party policy,regarding speed and fuel use and fuel pricing policy.

Then added to that they say they want to allow foreign drivers in but of course the Brits don’t get special treatment for immigration purposes in what is our own colony.In which case Asians etc etc have as much,if not more,chance as Brits not forgetting Canada’s bs reverse racist immigration policy which is based on ‘diversity’ quotas.

Then last but not least they come out with bs like rail freight isn’t a growing threat to the long haul trucking industry there just as it is everywhere else. :unamused:

right ok so the qualcom is used to track the truck and so you can get you run details thats nowt different to the trackers back home and they use that because a lot of places you cant get a cell signal so its also for safety if you break down and its - 40!!!
most of the guys I know the time depends on them if you dont wanna go away for 3 weeks or more at a time then dont its simple and i most def dont know a driver tha has that amount of time off on a regular basis. Saw you mention about ‘double manning’ wake up CF unless its a modern design truck you wont fit 2 bunks in the sleeper as they are not tall enoug for that and TEAM running has been around for a while as far as I know you get paid more for it but its hard work and the truck is on the go 24 hrs a day stopping only for fuel and to drop and reload

It wasn’t me who said that double manning was the way to fix the problems driver shortages caused by long haul work involving too little time at home.That was the Canadian transport representative’s idea.My idea is to use the two drivers to run on a rota of 2-3 weeks on 2-3 weeks off.

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taffytrucker:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:
Considering how many on this forum are over there working and and how many drivers I’ve worked with who’ve ended up in Canada I’m not sure how they discriminate against the British. Just because they didn’t want you doesn’t mean they don’t want a whole nationality.

It’s a ‘bit’ easier for the Brits to get there in recent years than it was in previous ones when I applied.However my point is that in addition to the impossibility of British drivers to get in then,even now it’s just a easy for Asians etc etc to get into Canada as Brits or just a difficult for Brits to get in as Asians etc etc depending on your point of view. :unamused:

Talking through your vast experiance then

Obviously yes unless what I was told by the Canadian immigration authorities in the 1980’s was bs to keep Brits out which,as I’ve said,wouldn’t surprise me.

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Carryfast:
Obviously yes unless what I was told by the Canadian immigration authorities in the 1980’s was bs to keep me out which,as I’ve said,wouldn’t surprise me.

Fixed that for you

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I’ve already offered to help him across here Switchlogic. I can get him a job next week if he wants it, no messing about, it can happen. Alas, he doesn’t want to come now!

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Two weeks on two weeks off sounds great. The wages are obviously going to be doubled so you can actually live I take it.
The reason there’s a shortage of distance drivers is most people would rather spend Friday night imwith there family or down the pub than doing what I am doing sitting in a lorry in Wisconsin conversing with a nutcase on the Internet.
In the UK before the credit crunch and before the Eastern European driver invasion we had a driver shortage not a license holder shortage a driver shortage.
Face it unless you realy want to be a lorry driver it isn’t realy selling it self as a great job unless you do local work like skips and builders merchant deliverys which have pretty regular hours you can’t plan much of a life round been a tramper during the week doing a 60 hour week to earn a half decent wage add on all the other crap it’s not much of a job unless you want to do it.

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Canada knew carryfast was coming, the BS detectors set off as he left the house.

Canada is NOT a Colony, it Is and has been a Dominion of the Crown since 1867, We have not used Dominion in reference to our country since we changed Dominion Day to Canada Day, in 1982. The only connection we have with Britain as of present is we share the same head of state… The Queen, She is the Queen of Canada and the Queen of the UK.

Also wtf is an Ethnic British immigrant? why does it matter that you (carryfast) keep refering to imigrants as ethnic ?

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jobbank.gc.ca/res-eng.aspx?P … =No&nsrc=1

Link to the official government job ads site, search was for truck drivers in Alberta. From the page that loads, you can modify the search to other provinces or other locations.
330 job adverts for truck drivers in Alberta when I looked this morning. Many on hourly pay.

jobbank.gc.ca/prov-eng.aspx?OpPage=50
Noted at top of page that if not a citizen or a PR you will need a work permit.

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cic.gc.ca/english/work/apply … igible.asp

Who can work in Canada?

Interestingly:

Quoted:

Inadmissibility

Some people are inadmissible—they are not allowed to come to Canada. Several things can make you inadmissible, including involvement in criminal activity, in human rights violations or in organized crime.

You can also be inadmissible for security, health or financial reasons.

/quote
Nothing about being a Brit here.