This is all pie in the sky as far as I’m concerned.
I’ve already been advised by the Canadian Authorities that without an employer offering me a substantial contract up front (not going to be the case here is it?) I fail the “means test” of not being able to buy a house cash in Canada out of my UK liquidation proceeds.
The whole thing sounds like one of those agency training things that always bang on about there being a shortgage of drivers.
There is a shortgage of well paid jobs (or sponsors in this case) but not a shortage of low-paying firms, or ones willing to take on drivers from south of the border, who’ll be living in their caravans.
Winseer:
This is all pie in the sky as far as I’m concerned.
I’ve already been advised by the Canadian Authorities that without an employer offering me a substantial contract up front (not going to be the case here is it?) I fail the “means test” of not being able to buy a house cash in Canada out of my UK liquidation proceeds.
Or in other words they’ve already reached their quota of Brits and now they’re only accepting their much larger quota of Indians,Chinese,Latin American etc etc etc and that’s the quickest excuse they could think of to put you off.Try re applying this time saying that you’re from the Punjab or Mexico and they might be prepared to forget all that bs.But don’t forget to use the Spanish,Chinese or Indian accent on the phone.
I applied for a job that had “tied accommodation” thrown in, which I thought would get me past the “have to buy a house cash” criteria otherwise.
I suspect I didn’t get a look in, because the standards I’d expect of such “laid on accommodation” would mean I’d blow the whistle on some outside craphouse being used for lodgings (Sheds with beds?) making the whole thing more suitable for the third-world desperate driver, rather than some fussy limey like me. It’s not quotas, but rather it’s under the counter goings on I blame for this sorry state of affairs. Truth be told, the third world has just out-bred us with too many males, and without a severe dieback like WWIII, the economy world-wide can never recover.
Winseer:
I applied for a job that had “tied accommodation” thrown in, which I thought would get me past the “have to buy a house cash” criteria otherwise.
I suspect I didn’t get a look in, because the standards I’d expect of such “laid on accommodation” would mean I’d blow the whistle on some outside craphouse being used for lodgings (Sheds with beds?) making the whole thing more suitable for the third-world desperate driver, rather than some fussy limey like me. It’s not quotas, but rather it’s under the counter goings on I blame for this sorry state of affairs. Truth be told, the third world has just out-bred us with too many males, and without a severe dieback like WWIII, the economy world-wide can never recover.
It doesn’t matter if the third world have populated themselves out of house and home.The fact is it shouldn’t make the slightest difference to us because that’s what borders and the armed forces are for.To keep them out and where they belong.There’s also no need to provide them with our hard earned money in foreign aid either.Which just leaves the inconsistency between the government calling people up in times of war to ‘defend their country’ and protect it’s borders compared to that of big business in saying that national borders and the national interest mean nothing in the case of the importation of cheap labour from poorer countries or the export of jobs in the case of ‘outsourcing’ and importation of goods.
But on the subject of Canadian jobs not going to the Brits on an open door basis it’s just a cheap labour scam dressed up to look like a policy of ‘ethnic diversity’ ( where have we heard that before ) and certainly is based on quotas as part of that scam because it wouldn’t be possible to make it work without them.While the above link to the policy stated by the Canadian authorities themselves proves it.
Canada doesn’t need 33000 more truck drivers, it needs to manage and run its exisiting trucks more realistically so drivers on milleage pay are not sitting around for hours and days on end without the wheels turning babysitting a vehicle for free. The only reason so many of these cowboy companies in Canada (and the US) grow so big is because they dont have to pay the driver any sort of wage according to time attended at work. A north American truck driver is nothing more than an independant contractor who’s not actually independant, we get sent down the road in a company truck as an employee and then when they dont pull their finger out and organise a reload for us once we’re empty, or more to the point, find a better paying reload in two days time, they sit us there for absolutely nothing, or at most a token geasture of something in the order of fifty pounds.
Imagine working for any British firm and leaving your yard on a Monday morning in Birmingham, driving to Glasgow, tipping and then being told to park up for an undisclosed period of time, from the second you arrive at your tip and the wheels stop turning, you stop earning and you dont earn another penny until you receive a message 5 hours, 10 hours, 1 day, 42 hours or whatever later telling you to head to a reload and even then it wont be loading until the next day, even though its only 50 miles away. Canada certainly does not need 33000 more drivers, it needs a legal minimum wage for drivers based on time at work and it needs people running transport companies who know what they’re doing, instead of nascar watching rednecks who if imported for a week to the UK in a job swap would render the British transport industry bankrupt in a matter of days due to their incompetent ineffeciency.
robinhood_1984:
Canada doesn’t need 33000 more truck drivers, it needs to manage and run its exisiting trucks more realistically so drivers on milleage pay are not sitting around for hours and days on end without the wheels turning babysitting a vehicle for free. The only reason so many of these cowboy companies in Canada (and the US) grow so big is because they dont have to pay the driver any sort of wage according to time attended at work. A north American truck driver is nothing more than an independant contractor who’s not actually independant, we get sent down the road in a company truck as an employee and then when they dont pull their finger out and organise a reload for us once we’re empty, or more to the point, find a better paying reload in two days time, they sit us there for absolutely nothing, or at most a token geasture of something in the order of fifty pounds.
Imagine working for any British firm and leaving your yard on a Monday morning in Birmingham, driving to Glasgow, tipping and then being told to park up for an undisclosed period of time, from the second you arrive at your tip and the wheels stop turning, you stop earning and you dont earn another penny until you receive a message 5 hours, 10 hours, 1 day, 42 hours or whatever later telling you to head to a reload and even then it wont be loading until the next day, even though its only 50 miles away. Canada certainly does not need 33000 more drivers, it needs a legal minimum wage for drivers based on time at work and it needs people running transport companies who know what they’re doing, instead of nascar watching rednecks who if imported for a week to the UK in a job swap would render the British transport industry bankrupt in a matter of days due to their incompetent ineffeciency.
To be fair to the rednecks ( who by definition should probably be on our side rather than that of the importation of cheap labour ) it seems that what they’ve got there is a stand off between customer resistance to paying a good rate for the job and the operators who are saying either pay a decent rate or they’ll park the trucks up and wait until they find a job that will pay.
Which then of course hits the drivers who are paid on the same mileage basis that the operator/employer is.It makes no difference in that case wether it’s an owner driver or an employed driver.In that case it seems very close to the type of argument between those like nmm who think that it’s rightly a case of turning down jobs that don’t pay and others who say take what you can get for whatever rate you can get.
The problem is that the latter idea only really works in the case of owner drivers with low overheads who can afford to work for tight margins.Whereas large fleets can’t.Somehow I don’t think that the Canadians do have anything to learn from us.They seem to be under the same financial pressures as British operators probably for similar reasons related to fuel costs and capacity v demand with the rail freight issue factored in and unlike the Brit operators seem to be dealing with the problem in the way that those like nmm suggest.Which arguably seems to be providing more jobs and keeping more drivers in work,at least in the big fleets,than the British way.Because there’s no way of sorting the conflict between drivers paid by the hour from revenues earn’t by the mile which,if the rate is too low or the wheels aren’t turning,just results in redundancy.Instead of the Canadian/US way of being parked up without pay until the wheels start turning for the right rate.
But the driver shortage bs is probably just likely to be a red herring as part of a policy of keeping the immigrant labour supply figures up throughout the economy and therefore wage figures as low as possible which helps no one because that just destroys incomes and spending power in the economy even more thereby creating even less demand than before.
Winseer:
This is all pie in the sky as far as I’m concerned.
I’ve already been advised by the Canadian Authorities that without an employer offering me a substantial contract up front (not going to be the case here is it?) I fail the “means test” of not being able to buy a house cash in Canada out of my UK liquidation proceeds.
The whole thing sounds like one of those agency training things that always bang on about there being a shortgage of drivers.
There is a shortgage of well paid jobs (or sponsors in this case) but not a shortage of low-paying firms, or ones willing to take on drivers from south of the border, who’ll be living in their caravans.
Can only speak for Manitoba …but to get a Labour Market Opinion (LMO)the employer must send you a Contract of employment(talking driving) that says min wage first 3months $3500.rest of contract $4000 monthly.this seems around the average i have seen… if the firm dont have the right figures on the contract …it will be refused by the gov.(it must be average wage for that job in province)…
Not sure what you say about failing the means test… as if you have a contract (job) to go to you do not need to show wheelbarrow loads o money …but you must have enough to live on until you start work and not allowed to claim of gov straight away.
THere are good jobs to start with but you need to dig a bit…and off course more than a few that will take u up the kyber.
As i said before when you get the work permit .say 2yrs you can only extend it 2more yrs MAX ,then leave Canada for 4yrs or apply for Permanent Residency but to get PR you must be able to speak ,read ,write English or French
the last part has came in december 2012. so no doubt this will help ethnic english speakers in the long run .
jimmy
Winseer:
This is all pie in the sky as far as I’m concerned.
I’ve already been advised by the Canadian Authorities that without an employer offering me a substantial contract up front (not going to be the case here is it?) I fail the “means test” of not being able to buy a house cash in Canada out of my UK liquidation proceeds.
The whole thing sounds like one of those agency training things that always bang on about there being a shortgage of drivers.
There is a shortgage of well paid jobs (or sponsors in this case) but not a shortage of low-paying firms, or ones willing to take on drivers from south of the border, who’ll be living in their caravans.
Can only speak for Manitoba …but to get a Labour Market Opinion (LMO)the employer must send you a Contract of employment(talking driving) that says min wage first 3months $3500.rest of contract $4000 monthly.this seems around the average i have seen… if the firm dont have the right figures on the contract …it will be refused by the gov.(it must be average wage for that job in province)…
Not sure what you say about failing the means test… as if you have a contract (job) to go to you do not need to show wheelbarrow loads o money …but you must have enough to live on until you start work and not allowed to claim of gov straight away.
THere are good jobs to start with but you need to dig a bit…and off course more than a few that will take u up the kyber.
As i said before when you get the work permit .say 2yrs you can only extend it 2more yrs MAX ,then leave Canada for 4yrs or apply for Permanent Residency but to get PR you must be able to speak ,read ,write English or French
the last part has came in december 2012. so no doubt this will help ethnic english speakers in the long run .
jimmy
According to the topic title the ‘labour market opinion’ already seems to be not an issue assuming there really is a driver shortage over there.In addition to which,assuming that they want a guaranteed English language capability,then why the need for quotas that discriminate against Brits.Instead of just having a British only immigration policy,that’s based on an open door system for Brits to come and go to work there as they please,on the basis that Canada is still a British colony for the purposes of immigration and movement of people between the two countries.Problem solved.
no shortage in Local ,regional work by the hr…just the long distance work …Canadian kids would rather work in an office 8-5 five days a week . than run 5-14 days in a metal box…
as distance work is paid by the mile say 35c-----42c its the time waiting unpaid for a back load for 75% of drivers that kills the job.
jimmy
It’s probably more an issue of the time off between runs rather than having to spend 2 or 3 weeks away.With the right utilisation of labour and reasonable pay rates they could make doing distance work there better for quality time off at home than local work or office work.While the issues of too much unpaid waiting time for loads is probably just a reflection of the issues of supply and demand and rates in the haulage market in an environment where driver pay is based on mileage.
However that doesn’t have anything to do with the amount of unwarranted aggravation and discriminatory immigration controls involved for British drivers who want to work over there in what is a British colony.Especially in view of the fact that there are jobs available.Although the same typical experience and other qualification bs as drivers are lumbered with here obviously adds to that situation.Therefore nothing in the Canadian employment and immigration system seems to make any sense in an environment of so called driver shortages.Although it would make sense if,like the Canadian immigration policy in recent years since the 1970’s,it’s all about increasing the pool of cheap labour to lower terms and conditions expectations.In which case no surprise that an open door immigration and employment policy isn’t being applied in the case of British immigrant workers.Whereas there certainly seems to be a policy of quotas in favour of immigrant labour from poorer countries with obviously lower expectations than their British counterparts which reflect that.
Carryfast:
It’s probably more an issue of the time off between runs rather than having to spend 2 or 3 weeks away.With the right utilisation of labour and reasonable pay rates they could make doing distance work there better for quality time off at home than local work or office work.While the issues of too much unpaid waiting time for loads is probably just a reflection of the issues of supply and demand and rates in the haulage market in an environment where driver pay is based on mileage.
However that doesn’t have anything to do with the amount of unwarranted aggravation and discriminatory immigration controls involved for British drivers who want to work over there in what is a British colony.Especially in view of the fact that there are jobs available.Although the same typical experience and other qualification bs as drivers are lumbered with here obviously adds to that situation.Therefore nothing in the Canadian employment and immigration system seems to make any sense in an environment of so called driver shortages.Although it would make sense if,like the Canadian immigration policy in recent years since the 1970’s,it’s all about increasing the pool of cheap labour to lower terms and conditions expectations.In which case no surprise that an open door immigration and employment policy isn’t being applied in the case of British immigrant workers.Whereas there certainly seems to be a policy of quotas in favour of immigrant labour from poorer countries with obviously lower expectations than their British counterparts which reflect that.
You don’t half come out with some first class bullshine.
In your own link to the Canadian government immigration policy it says that immigrants used to come primarily from Europe and to a lesser extent from China. This policy changed to give equal opportunities to immigrants from anywhere in the world rather than prioritising British immigrants. The important part was no longer nationality but skill level. Canada only wanted skilled workers or semiskilled workers to fill jobs where there was a shortage of locals willing or able to fill the jobs. That has changed again by adding a requirement for some fluency in either English or French and preferably both.
They still don’t want misfits or bullshine merchants. I take it you applied to go to Canada and got knocked back. Clue: It wasn’t because you are British. Maybe you can think about why else it may have been.
Canada has not been a British colony for a very long time. It was also a French colony for a time if you go back far enough. Then it was part of the British Commonwealth not as a colony but as an independant country. Britain has turned its back on the Commonwealth in preference to being in the EU. If we ever leave the EU we may find the Commonwealth doesn’t want to know us. We just might be told to go ■■■■ ourselves.
As Canada isn’t a British colony (nor a French colony) why ever would you think they should have an open door policy for Brits. Don’t forget how many Brits aren’t native to Britain as waves of immigrants to Britain now have British passports. Of course all EU nationals have the right to come here too. When do they become Brits too, if ever?
Do you think all our ex colonies should have an open door for Brits or just Canada or just for people named Geoffrey?
Carryfast:
Or in other words they’ve already reached their quota of Brits and now they’re only accepting their much larger quota of Indians,Chinese,Latin American etc etc etc and that’s the quickest excuse they could think of to put you off.Try re applying this time saying that you’re from the Punjab or Mexico and they might be prepared to forget all that bs.But don’t forget to use the Spanish,Chinese or Indian accent on the phone.
This link doesn’t say what your chip thinks it does. Put your victim googles away and read it again. There are no quotas for different nationalities or races. There are skill, education, honesty and attitude requirements and now language requirements which are stricter than previously. This may not fit your world view but there you go. Get over it.
Carryfast the fact is not enough people want to live in a tin box for mileage pay when they can get a job paying half decent money and be at home.
The fact is the job isn’t like smokey and the bandit and in reality is most of the time pretty boring. It’s Friday afternoon 2.30 Friday afternoon here I’ve just stopped for dinner and have another four or five hours to do and will be spending my Friday night in a truckstop in Wisconsin. The fact is not enough people want to live this kind of lifestyle to cover the job with Canadian born drivers.
Although Canada hasn’t been affected by the global downturn as much as other nations the states has and every truckstop you go in there are magazines full of long distance jobs.
I think a decent pay structure with a decent basic would help alleviate the driver shortage.
Winseer:
This is all pie in the sky as far as I’m concerned.
I’ve already been advised by the Canadian Authorities that without an employer offering me a substantial contract up front (not going to be the case here is it?) I fail the “means test” of not being able to buy a house cash in Canada out of my UK liquidation proceeds.
The whole thing sounds like one of those agency training things that always bang on about there being a shortgage of drivers.
There is a shortgage of well paid jobs (or sponsors in this case) but not a shortage of low-paying firms, or ones willing to take on drivers from south of the border, who’ll be living in their caravans.
Fairly easy to get in as a truck driver at the moment no proff of money needed either.
At the moment it is fairly easy for a Brit to get out here as a driver. So what’s the problem. Think as usual someone is throwing up obsticales.
And it’s not a colony!!! It’s still a dominion though
kr79:
At the moment it is fairly easy for a Brit to get out here as a driver. So what’s the problem. Think as usual someone is throwing up obsticales.
And it’s not a colony!!! It’s still a dominion though
Absolutely!
It’s as hard as you want to make it. Do your homework, make a few phone calls, wrap stuff up at home, jump on a plane, and viola… you’re over the pond and on the road.
Winseer:
This is all pie in the sky as far as I’m concerned.
I’ve already been advised by the Canadian Authorities that without an employer offering me a substantial contract up front (not going to be the case here is it?) I fail the “means test” of not being able to buy a house cash in Canada out of my UK liquidation proceeds.
The whole thing sounds like one of those agency training things that always bang on about there being a shortgage of drivers.
There is a shortgage of well paid jobs (or sponsors in this case) but not a shortage of low-paying firms, or ones willing to take on drivers from south of the border, who’ll be living in their caravans.
Can only speak for Manitoba …but to get a Labour Market Opinion (LMO)the employer must send you a Contract of employment(talking driving) that says min wage first 3months $3500.rest of contract $4000 monthly.this seems around the average i have seen… if the firm dont have the right figures on the contract …it will be refused by the gov.(it must be average wage for that job in province)…
Not sure what you say about failing the means test… as if you have a contract (job) to go to you do not need to show wheelbarrow loads o money …but you must have enough to live on until you start work and not allowed to claim of gov straight away.
THere are good jobs to start with but you need to dig a bit…and off course more than a few that will take u up the kyber.
As i said before when you get the work permit .say 2yrs you can only extend it 2more yrs MAX ,then leave Canada for 4yrs or apply for Permanent Residency but to get PR you must be able to speak ,read ,write English or French
the last part has came in december 2012. so no doubt this will help ethnic english speakers in the long run .
jimmy
No, the job being offered was OTE (which I’m told was a complete no no from the very start!) and laid on as ‘no tied accommodation beyond 6 months’, which wasn’t deducted from pay. In other words, I could have turned up in Canada, been told on day 2 that “we’ve got no wheels turning, so you’re not getting paid, but you’ll still be paying us rent for the accommodation provided out of your savings”. The authorities didn’t like it without me having a substantial wedge to go over there with. I’m talking around the half a mil CD$ mark here, which is about the cash price of a decent 3 bedroomed semi in the south of England right now. No way I’m going to have that kind of money short of my retirement in these times of stagnant pay for a decade plus already.
I’m guessing a proper contract worth something to the authorities would be something like “guaranteed 2 years pay minimum base earnings” factors thrown in. Obviously, they are not going to want the guaranteeing of any pay at all, if the incoming driver is an unknown quantity that might take the ■■■■, and be off sick all the time, or go for some other dodge that brings the Brit worker into disrepute worldwide.
I would have been happy signing up to a contract with no sick pay at all - provided I get the guaranteed pay aspect for “going to work” each day they ask me.
Carryfast:
It’s probably more an issue of the time off between runs rather than having to spend 2 or 3 weeks away.With the right utilisation of labour and reasonable pay rates they could make doing distance work there better for quality time off at home than local work or office work.While the issues of too much unpaid waiting time for loads is probably just a reflection of the issues of supply and demand and rates in the haulage market in an environment where driver pay is based on mileage.
However that doesn’t have anything to do with the amount of unwarranted aggravation and discriminatory immigration controls involved for British drivers who want to work over there in what is a British colony.Especially in view of the fact that there are jobs available.Although the same typical experience and other qualification bs as drivers are lumbered with here obviously adds to that situation.Therefore nothing in the Canadian employment and immigration system seems to make any sense in an environment of so called driver shortages.Although it would make sense if,like the Canadian immigration policy in recent years since the 1970’s,it’s all about increasing the pool of cheap labour to lower terms and conditions expectations.In which case no surprise that an open door immigration and employment policy isn’t being applied in the case of British immigrant workers.Whereas there certainly seems to be a policy of quotas in favour of immigrant labour from poorer countries with obviously lower expectations than their British counterparts which reflect that.
You don’t half come out with some first class bullshine.
In your own link to the Canadian government immigration policy it says that immigrants used to come primarily from Europe and to a lesser extent from China. This policy changed to give equal opportunities to immigrants from anywhere in the world rather than prioritising British immigrants. The important part was no longer nationality but skill level. Canada only wanted skilled workers or semiskilled workers to fill jobs where there was a shortage of locals willing or able to fill the jobs. That has changed again by adding a requirement for some fluency in either English or French and preferably both.
They still don’t want misfits or bullshine merchants. I take it you applied to go to Canada and got knocked back. Clue: It wasn’t because you are British. Maybe you can think about why else it may have been.
Canada has not been a British colony for a very long time. It was also a French colony for a time if you go back far enough. Then it was part of the British Commonwealth not as a colony but as an independant country. Britain has turned its back on the Commonwealth in preference to being in the EU. If we ever leave the EU we may find the Commonwealth doesn’t want to know us. We just might be told to go [zb] ourselves.
As Canada isn’t a British colony (nor a French colony) why ever would you think they should have an open door policy for Brits. Don’t forget how many Brits aren’t native to Britain as waves of immigrants to Britain now have British passports. Of course all EU nationals have the right to come here too. When do they become Brits too, if ever?
Do you think all our ex colonies should have an open door for Brits or just Canada or just for people named Geoffrey?
You say it’s me who’s talking bs.You’re having a laugh.
The fact is the Canadian government over the years,since at least the 1970’s,has used a bs politically correct,reverse racist,so called ‘multi cultural’ immigration system,that descriminates against ethnic British immigrants and which has varied from at worse outright refusal to allow them to take up jobs when offered,as in my case,or at best made them jump through hoops to enter the country.While no surprise opening up it’s job market to ethnic Asian and other poor country groups who,since that time,have been allowed in in far greater numbers than Brits as part of a deliberate policy of ethnic social engineering.Which doesn’t seem consistent with the interests of keeping the place an ethnic British based colony/country which started out with a 60% ethnic British colonial make up of it’s total population before then sorting out the French and showing them who’s boss.
Although such a policy would make sense in the case of a country that wants to use cheap imported labour from poorer countries with obviously lower expectations than Brits in regard to terms and conditions at the expense of turning a British based country into a multicultural zb up.
