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but thats your british union operated british workmans standard of workmanship to blame for that,hence the end of most of british industry years ago.
even the Q E 2 got refitted in germany because nobody in britain could give a guaranteed price or timescale quote to do the job.
I remember someone telling me that the QE2 went over schedule/budget when being fitted out from new because all the fittings that were installed by the dayshift each day were removed by the nightshift the following night.
thatl be similar to the glasgow council houses getting renovated with the new kitchens going in during the day,then the scallys breaking in and nicking them at night…
if i remember correctly the contract went abroad the same as for the warships because no uk shipyard could guarantee a fixed price nor accept penalty costs if it went over budget or over completion date though the foriegn shipyards could.
truckyboy:
must admit that it does look like car ramps at the back.a 2 tier boat…sounds good, and makes sense…just wonder where the drivers lounge would be…
If you click on the youtube link above, you can see that it’s not 2 vehicle decks unfortunately, but yes it would have made sense but would probably have cost a lot more money to alter the landing docks/ramps
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but thats your british union operated british workmans standard of workmanship to blame for that,hence the end of most of british industry years ago.
even the Q E 2 got refitted in germany because nobody in britain could give a guaranteed price or timescale quote to do the job.
Luckily, after Brexit, the rest of the world will be climbing over one and other to buy their goods from us again…
(Well, as long as manufacturers aren’t moving production to, say, Malaysia. … Yes, that’s you, Mr. Dyson…)
truckyboy:
must admit that it does look like car ramps at the back.a 2 tier boat…sounds good, and makes sense…just wonder where the drivers lounge would be…
If you click on the youtube link above, you can see that it’s not 2 vehicle decks unfortunately, but yes it would have made sense but would probably have cost a lot more money to alter the landing docks/ramps
Extensive works are being carried out on both sides to accommodate the new ferries.
the nodding donkey:
Luckily, after Brexit, the rest of the world will be climbing over one and other to buy their goods from us again…
(Well, as long as manufacturers aren’t moving production to, say, Malaysia. … Yes, that’s you, Mr. Dyson…)
Since when did the EU ever stop anyone from taking advantage of cheap labour costs whether East Euro or Far Eastern.While it’s so much better to go on paying the EU a fortune in contributions to add to the unsustainable imports bill.While no doubt Kahn’s Labour rabble will then hypocritically moan about the resulting austerity and unemployment.
truckyboy:
must admit that it does look like car ramps at the back.a 2 tier boat…sounds good, and makes sense…just wonder where the drivers lounge would be…
If you click on the youtube link above, you can see that it’s not 2 vehicle decks unfortunately, but yes it would have made sense but would probably have cost a lot more money to alter the landing docks/ramps
Dunno if that’d work well?
If too much time is spent faffing around loading and debarquing then any advantage in the extra number of vehicles carried is lost by the lower number of crossings made. One could cancel out the other. Guess it will be better, especially on such a short crossing to just keep it going?
the nodding donkey:
Luckily, after Brexit, the rest of the world will be climbing over one and other to buy their goods from us again…
(Well, as long as manufacturers aren’t moving production to, say, Malaysia. … Yes, that’s you, Mr. Dyson…)
Since when did the EU ever stop anyone from taking advantage of cheap labour costs whether East Euro or Far Eastern.While it’s so much better to go on paying the EU a fortune in contributions to add to the unsustainable imports bill.While no doubt Kahn’s Labour rabble will then hypocritically moan about the resulting austerity and unemployment.
Are you really this naive? You, and your band of “let’s make Britain great again” brudders, are sleepwalking Britain over a cliff.
What exactly are we going to trade with the world? Steel? Cars? Flowers? Vegetables? Computers?TV’s?
What, do WE own and manufacture in sufficient quantities, to export to “the rest of the world”?
And whilst you’re at it, do so maths googling. 500 million consumers in Europe. Mainly affluent. 360 million in America… not waiting g to buy our cars.
Tell me, we’re are the affluent consumers around the world, desperately waiting to buy our goods?
And stop blabbing about dogma. Brexit is not about you showing of how many -ist and whiles you can cram into a post. Brexit is about survival.
C/F’s googled bit about the ship building is utter pish … it just aint going to happen. Very few shipbuilding skills in UK any longer and even if ships were built for the domestic market there are no one, or a very few old dinosaurs who could crew them !! Yours truly included …
the nodding donkey:
Luckily, after Brexit, the rest of the world will be climbing over one and other to buy their goods from us again…
(Well, as long as manufacturers aren’t moving production to, say, Malaysia. … Yes, that’s you, Mr. Dyson…)
Since when did the EU ever stop anyone from taking advantage of cheap labour costs whether East Euro or Far Eastern.While it’s so much better to go on paying the EU a fortune in contributions to add to the unsustainable imports bill.While no doubt Kahn’s Labour rabble will then hypocritically moan about the resulting austerity and unemployment.
Are you really this naive? You, and your band of “let’s make Britain great again” brudders, are sleepwalking Britain over a cliff.
What exactly are we going to trade with the world? Steel? Cars? Flowers? Vegetables? Computers?TV’s?
What, do WE own and manufacture in sufficient quantities, to export to “the rest of the world”?
And whilst you’re at it, do so maths googling. 500 million consumers in Europe. Mainly affluent. 360 million in America… not waiting g to buy our cars.
Tell me, we’re are the affluent consumers around the world, desperately waiting to buy our goods?
And stop blabbing about dogma. Brexit is not about you showing of how many -ist and whiles you can cram into a post. Brexit is about survival.
How do you explain a 50 billion Euro trade deficit with Germany alone let alone the rest of the EU as opposed to a £34 billion trade surplus with the US.Let alone the irony of remainers moaning about how will we trade after Brexit on a topic which is all about a simple order for a couple of small river ferries which was hawked around the EU to the lowest bidder obviously based on the lowest labour costs.While Brit ship manufacturing workers have to live hand to mouth struggling for every order they can get while your Federalist allies like Hammond and May pretend to be supporting their industry.On that note the problem with UK manufacturing isn’t one of under capacity it’s all about much needed orders being placed with foreign suppliers at Brit workers’ expense.
raymundo:
C/F’s googled bit about the ship building is utter pish … it just aint going to happen. Very few shipbuilding skills in UK any longer and even if ships were built for the domestic market there are no one, or a very few old dinosaurs who could crew them !! Yours truly included …
Taking advantage of the lowest cost labour costs isn’t the same thing as saying we don’t have the skills or the capacity given the work.It’s clear that the skills are only being lost because the work is needlessly being taken out of the country to save labour costs.Not the work is being taken out of the country because we don’t have the capacity or the skills.
Carryfast:
While Brit ship manufacturing workers have to live hand to mouth struggling for every order they can get
British shipyards have plenty of work, not one of them is living hand to mouth struggling for orders,however they are geared towards building naval vessels rather than commercial vessels, it is a competitive world for sure but they still win plenty of tenders and have have orders on the books for a good few years hence.
truckyboy:
must admit that it does look like car ramps at the back.a 2 tier boat…sounds good, and makes sense…just wonder where the drivers lounge would be…
If you click on the youtube link above, you can see that it’s not 2 vehicle decks unfortunately, but yes it would have made sense but would probably have cost a lot more money to alter the landing docks/ramps
Dunno if that’d work well?
If too much time is spent faffing around loading and debarquing then any advantage in the extra number of vehicles carried is lost by the lower number of crossings made. One could cancel out the other. Guess it will be better, especially on such a short crossing to just keep it going?
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A good example of this is the two Spirit boats on Dover Calais. So big they take an age to load and unload and as a consequence are always late. Lovely boats but a real pain in the arse if they put you beside the outer hull, can be 30 to 40 minutes after docking before you finally drive off.
raymundo:
C/F’s googled bit about the ship building is utter pish … it just aint going to happen. Very few shipbuilding skills in UK any longer and even if ships were built for the domestic market there are no one, or a very few old dinosaurs who could crew them !! Yours truly included …
Taking advantage of the lowest cost labour costs isn’t the same thing as saying we don’t have the skills or the capacity given the work.It’s clear that the skills are only being lost because the work is needlessly being taken out of the country to save labour costs.Not the work is being taken out of the country because we don’t have the capacity or the skills.
How many shipyards do you personally know of that have closed in the last 30 years, not many I suspect whereas I know of quite a few. So where are the skills needed if very few people are doing the job ■■?
A good example of this is the two Spirit boats on Dover Calais. So big they take an age to load and unload and as a consequence are always late. Lovely boats but a real pain in the arse if they put you beside the outer hull, can be 30 to 40 minutes after docking before you finally drive off.
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the two birkenhead/belfast tubs are of similar greif.
as far as im aware,then the officers are italians as the boats foriegn built and on lease,the deckhands are all flipflops and taliban,and its as if the boats were built to suit left hookers as most of the time as its loading,most of the trucks have to do a blindside reverse into the lanes as they always start from the oposite side to the access ramp coupled with the fact you are packed so tight you cant open your doors then the boat is constantly late.
theres also the fact you dont know if the taliban are blowing their whistle at you,or someone else thats about to take the side out of something dont help either…tragic.
truckman020:
was going to say they will start charging soon,but isn’t there some seafaring law from many years ago that says they cant[the government]
Isn’t it run by Transport For London? Guess they could charge if they wished? But maybe running a free ferry is cheaper than a bridge or tunnel there?
Other ferries charge without their cap’ns being hung from the yardarm!
