Has anybody had any experience of these new trailers or their 14.60 metre counterparts?
Oh the trailers that have done more damage than the IRA 
Oh, are they that bad?
The back end swings out due to the rear steer, and I mean it swings out worse than any rigid we have a few and virtually every one has been damaged.
I have recently added them to my list of “things to be avoided in transport”
But does it swing out any worse than the rear steering axle on say an urban artic?
Can only speak about my company we have 31 with more on order. Company loves them. I’ve not had the training don’t really want it, most of the damage has been caused by tail swing. Gates getting wiped out, trailers getting cracked when pulling out a space etc. I’m sure if you had the same trailer everyday you would adjust no problem ,but problem lies when you have 500 standard trailers and 31 of these it can catch you unawares and forget you’re pulling one.
Long as you adjust for that wild tail swing you should be fine.
merc0447:
Can only speak about my company we have 31 with more on order. Company loves them. I’ve not had the training don’t really want it, most of the damage has been caused by tail swing. Gates getting wiped out, trailers getting cracked when pulling out a space etc. I’m sure if you had the same trailer everyday you would adjust no problem ,but problem lies when you have 500 standard trailers and 31 of these it can catch you unawares and forget you’re pulling one.Long as you adjust for that wild tail swing you should be fine.
just about nailed it mate , if you drive one everyday its not so bad just depends where the hero In the traffic office decides to send you, should be used for trunking only but we know that wont happen 
used to do multi drop with a 18.5 metre trombone really dnt see what ll the fuss is about just keep your wits about you and have a good idea of where you are off to and happy days 
I don’t think it’s the trailer that’s the problem.
All good fun going backwards…
The rear steer axle does not lock, even in reverse!!!
I have seen them cause problems on the bay bananas, they have put really low bumper bars on the back, combined with the rear steer, all good fun.
Pretty stupid idea me thinks, should have just kept the tri axle configuration the same just move it back like a trombone, yes the turning circle would get bigger but not by much… Anyway I haven’t had this displeasure of using one & I’d like to keep it that way!
FarnboroughBoy11:
I don’t think it’s the trailer that’s the problem.
The fact is the idea of the artic outfit was never meant or going to work with large rear overhangs.The more overhang you’ve got the more tail sweep you’ll get which in the case of artics is the worst of all worlds situation being that they are designed to use the tight turning circle of a tractor unit to minimise the effects of cut in but while magnifying the effects of tail sweep.So the last thing that’s needed in the case of an artic is to reduce cut in at the expense of tail sweep by putting the extra length on the rear overhang of a semi trailer. 
There is another way in which they could increase load space by ( much ) more,assuming it’s not an indivisible load,and gross weight capacity,with no,or negligible,effects on either cut in or tail sweep or axle weights,but the government won’t allow it. 
Carryfast:
FarnboroughBoy11:
I don’t think it’s the trailer that’s the problem.The fact is the idea of the artic outfit was never meant or going to work with large rear overhangs.The more overhang you’ve got the more tail sweep you’ll get which in the case of artics is the worst of all worlds situation being that they are designed to use the tight turning circle of a tractor unit to minimise the effects of cut in but while magnifying the effects of tail sweep.So the last thing that’s needed in the case of an artic is to reduce cut in at the expense of tail sweep by putting the extra length on the rear overhang of a semi trailer.
There is another way in which they could increase load space by ( much ) more,assuming it’s not an indivisible load,and gross weight capacity,with no,or negligible,effects on either cut in or tail sweep or axle weights,but the government won’t allow it.
Yep, I agree with Pimpdaddy as well, I’ve always had the opinion that these new longer trailers should have just had fixed tri axles and sacrificed a bit of “cut in” and kept the overhang the same size as a 13.6m trl.
I know it wouldn’t have made the turning circle test but in the real world this would have been the best way to go in my opinion.
Now look what labour wants 
fingermissing:
Now look what labour wants
lol… lets hope Liebor dont get in then.
Its a 10 year government sanctioned trial and some hauliers have invested a hell of a lot of money into the trial. I wonder if labour would compensate them.
These trailers are custom built, can’t exactly get them off the peg from a trailer hire company
Anyways,
Saw an argos one a few months ago, double decker 15.65 Meter long and about 16 foot high, box body.
Looks ok with the new units
There is quite a few permits out there!
I know 3 companies on that list are permitted to use them but dont (yet)
Hey, TC Trans, I see your on the list too!!!
commercialmotor.com/latest-n … d-how-many
Allocation of longer semi-trailers
Company Allocation
14.6 metre 15.65 metre Total
Arla Foods Ltd 26 9 35
A & D Haulage (Telford) ltd 0 1 1
A.B.E (LEDBURY) LTD 1 0 1
Acumen Distribution Ltd 0 4 4
Advanced Processing Ltd 0 9 9
Alan Glendinning Haulage Ltd 1 0 1
Allegro Transport Ltd 0 1 1
Ascott Transport Limited 4 1 5
ASDA Stores Ltd 0 45 45
Associated Cold Stores and Transport Ltd 0 3 3
B. Taylor & Sons Transport Ltd 0 5 5
Bandvulc Tyres Ltd 0 1 1
Benson Box 0 1 1
Bibby Distribution Ltd 0 25 25
Booker Ltd 0 15 15
Branston Ltd 0 1 1
Brewers Road Haulage Ltd 1 0 1
Britannia Superfine Ltd 0 1 1
Brit European Transport Ltd 0 2 2
BTS Haulage Limited 14 5 19
Bunzl Healthcare 2 0 2
Bunzl Retail Supplies 3 1 4
BYFIELD’S TRANSPORT 0 1 1
C ■■■■ Ltd 0 5 5
C S ELLIS (GROUP) LTD 0 1 1
Carntyne Transport Co Ltd 0 5 5
Cartwright Bros (Haulage) Ltd 0 3 3
CARTWRIGHT RENTALS LTD - F T S Hatswell 7 3 10
CARTWRIGHT RENTALS LTD - AHH Pharmaceuticals 7 3 10
CARTWRIGHT RENTALS LTD - Circle Express 7 3 10
Cedartone (Equipment Sales) Limited 0 1 1
CEVA Logistics Limited 0 3 3
CFT Services Limited 0 1 1
Clive Cowern Transport Services Ltd 0 1 1
CM Downton (Haulage Contractors) Ltd 22 38 60
Commercial Vehicle Rental Ltd 0 2 2
Cooperative Group 0 8 8
Culina Logistics Ltd 22 8 30
Cullingworth Commercials & Freight Services Ltd 3 0 3
Currie European Transport Ltd 0 8 8
Davies Turner & Co Ltd 0 2 2
Dechra Ltd T/A National Veterinary Services 1 0 1
DFDS Limited 4 2 6
DHL UK 67 23 90
DSV Road Ltd 0 13 13
EAS Consulting & Logistics 0 1 1
E T Morris & Sons Ltd 7 2 9
E H Nicolls Jnr Ltd 0 4 4
Eddie Stobart Ltd 67 23 90
Elddis Transport (Consett) Limited 9 2 11
Eurofleet Rental Ltd - Widdowsons Ltd 7 6 13
Eurofleet Rental Ltd - AB Produce plc 1 0 1
Eurofleet Rental Ltd - Cotton Transport 1 0 1
Expert Logistics 0 2 2
F Lloyd (Penley) Ltd 0 1 1
Fagan & Whalley Limited 4 0 4
Fergusons Transport Ltd 7 0 7
FITZMAURICE CARRIERS LTD 1 0 1
Fowler Welch Limited 0 3 3
Framptons Transport Services Ltd 7 4 11
Freightforce Distribution 2 1 3
Freshlinc LTD 4 0 4
FTS Hatswell Ltd 0 2 2
GeoPost UK Ltd 64 21 85
Gist Ltd 0 20 20
Great Bear Distribution 15 5 20
Gregory Distribution Ltd 0 1 1
Guy John Keyes 1 0 1
H. Parkinson Haulage Limited 0 5 5
H. T. Gardner Transport 2 1 3
Harvey Grant 0 1 1
Hayton Coulthard 0 1 1
Hermes Parcelnet Ltd 32 11 43
Heverin Haulage Ltd 3 1 4
HLC (Wood Products) Ltd 1 0 1
Home Retail Group (Argos) 0 9 9
Howard Tenens (Andover) Ltd 3 0 3
Howard Tenens (Boston) Ltd 3 0 3
Howard Tenens (Swindon) Ltd 3 0 3
Hyperama Plc 0 1 1
Identity Parade Ltd 7 0 7
J Godfrey & Son Ltd 1 0 1
J&D COWPER LTD 0 1 1
J. Sainsbury’s Plc 7 3 10
Jack Richards & Son Ltd 22 8 30
JAMES SMITH (DENNY) LTD 0 1 1
James Wilby Ltd 0 1 1
JME Transport Ltd 0 13 13
John G Russell Transport Ltd 0 9 9
John Jempson & Son 0 1 1
John Lewis 7 1 8
Katem Logistics Ltd 0 1 1
Kay Transport 0 1 1
Keyes Transport Ltd 1 0 1
King Stag (Transport) Ltd 0 1 1
KNIGHTS OF OLD LTD 0 9 9
Lambert Brothers Haulage Ltd 0 1 1
Langdon Industries Ltd 7 0 7
Lenham Storage Co Ltd 7 3 10
Lenham Storage Southern Ltd 7 3 10
Lloyd Fraser (Contracts) Ltd 7 0 7
Lloyd Fraser Group 0 2 2
Magnum Spedition Ltd/ Magnum Logistics Ltd 1 0 1
Magnus Group Ltd 0 5 5
Maritime Transport Ltd 75 0 75
Matalan 0 3 3
Maxi Group Ltd 19 5 24
MAXIM LOGISTICS LTD 0 3 3
McCarthy Haulage 0 5 5
McClenaghan of Slamannan Ltd 0 1 1
MDF (Great Yarmouth) Ltd 1 1 2
Meachers Global Ltd 7 3 10
Metcalfe Farms (Haulage) Limited 4 2 6
MJD Services (UK) Ltd 0 3 3
Montgomery Distribution Ltd 4 2 6
Montgomery Refrigerated Ltd 7 3 10
Montgomery Transport Ltd 22 8 30
MRCT 7 0 7
Nestle UK Ltd 0 5 5
NFT Distribution Limited 1 1 2
Norbert Dentressangle Logistics UK 0 41 41
Norbert Dentressangle Transport Services Limited 67 23 90
Oaklands Farm Eggs Ltd 0 1 1
Owens (Road Services) ltd 7 0 7
P W Gates Distribution Ltd 0 1 1
Palletline Logistics (Midland) Ltd 4 0 4
Paul Mathew Transport Limited 0 3 3
Pegasus Express Ltd 0 1 1
PF WHITEHEAD TRANSPORT SERVICES Ltd 0 1 1
Pollock (Scotrans) Ltd 0 1 1
Poundland Ltd 0 2 2
PTI Express Ltd 1 0 1
R D Williams and Sons (Haulage) Ltd 0 1 1
R F Straw Services Ltd 0 1 1
R G BASSETT & SONS LTD 4 1 5
R J Jones Group Ltd 0 8 8
R T H-Lubbers UK Ltd 1 1 2
Richard Long Ltd 0 1 1
Richard Preston & Son Ltd 0 5 5
ROBERT WISEMAN DAIRIES 0 3 3
Royal Mail Group 0 45 45
RT Keedwell Group 0 3 3
S & J European Haulage, 0 1 1
Saints Transport Ltd 0 5 5
Samworth Brothers Distribution 0 3 3
Sephton Transport Ltd 0 1 1
Seven Asset Management 0 1 1
Solstor UK Ltd 12 4 16
South West delivery Services Ltd 0 1 1
STARDES LIMITED 1 0 1
Stephen W Thornton Haulage 0 1 1
Steve Prince Transport Ltd 0 1 1
Sundown Products Limited 1 0 1
Superdrug Stores PLC 11 5 16
SW Group Logistics Ltd 0 2 2
T Christie Transport 0 1 1
T.H.Clements & Son Ltd 0 1 1
Tandem Transport Limited 3 2 5
Tesco PLC 0 25 25
The Alternative Parcels Company Limited 0 4 4
The Malcolm Group 11 1 12
TNT UK Limited PDC 0 13 13
Torque 1 0 1
Transam Trucking Limited 0 3 3
TRC Truck Rental Ltd 1 2 3
UDG (Unidrug Distribution Group Ltd) 4 1 5
United Biscuits Distribution Services 0 17 17
UPS Ltd 0 13 13
Waitrose 15 8 23
Walkers Snacks (dist) Ltd 0 32 32
Warburtons Limited 0 1 1
White Logistics and Storage LTD 3 1 4
William West and sons (Ilkeston) Ltd 0 3 3
Wincanton Group Ltd 34 34 68
Wm Morrison Supermarkets PLC 0 38 38
Worksop Industrial Tippers 4 0 4
X D P ltd 0 1 1
Yearsley Group 15 5 20
Yusen Logistics (UK)Ltd 0 5 5
trubster:
fingermissing:
Now look what labour wantslol… lets hope Liebor dont get in then.
What a surprise a bunch of socialist tossers who want freight shifted from road to rail.Or Cam and Clegg’s lot and possibly even the industry itself who range from raving green Lib/Dems to others who just have no idea anyway in not realising the best engineering solution which is drawbar LHV’s.
fingermissing:
Now look what labour wants
Im all for it.
It says in that article ‘In layman terms; a trailer with a single rear-steer axle and two fixed axles is more manoeuvrable than a standard 13.6m long semi-trailer with three fixed axles because there is steering at both ends of the articulated vehicle that allows the truck to be driven in a straighter line.’ Funny that, I’ve seen one today with a smashed back end & the tail lift hanging off…