It says in that article âIn layman terms; a trailer with a single rear-steer axle and two fixed axles is more manoeuvrable than a standard 13.6m long semi-trailer with three fixed axles because there is steering at both ends of the articulated vehicle that allows the truck to be driven in a straighter line.â Funny that, Iâve seen one today with a smashed back end & the tail lift hanging offâŚ
Maybe they forgot to tell the driver that such outfits can only be used in a straight line.
I think I can understand where theyâre going wrong.They need to stop the unit from articulating around the axis of the trailer pin by making a non turning fifth wheel.Then make the whole outfit turn around the axis of itâs fixed rear axles instead.IE a rigid thatâs as long as an artic. The fact that the unit can no longer turn independently of the trailer will then reduce the tail sweep to manageable,or at least less severe,levels and even if itâs still too much the driver would at least be able to see what the rear corners are doing in the mirrors.
But seriously no the ârear steerâ axle in this case is just there to support the extra length on the back and be able move with the tail sweep which is caused by the overhang past the fixed rear axles.
All this â â â â balling around these parties doâŚthey dont seem to realise the massive fiancial risk hauliers are taking in purchasing these trailers only to be potentially told in ten or so years time your trailer can not be used anymore.
With regards to the allocation list, I did not appreciate there was as many take upâs with the shorter version.
I think theyâre a flipping waste of time myself, the extra hassle involved for a few extra pallets just isnât worth it. The length most of us run at now is more than enough for me.
Whatâs up with rear over hangâ â ? Used to run into centre of London with a trombone out to bout 52ft and few feet over hang on the back no problem. Run California over here axles got to be set at 40ft so you have a 13 ft over hang. Take your time and think a bit more
taffytrucker:
Whatâs up with rear over hangâ â ? Used to run into centre of London with a trombone out to bout 52ft and few feet over hang on the back no problem. Run California over here axles got to be set at 40ft so you have a 13 ft over hang. Take your time and think a bit more
A trombone doesnât alter the overhang because it extends in front of the axles.Adimittedly if thereâs one place with a more stupid government than the uk itâs California.The thinking required is about at the same level.Youâve got an artic with almost as much tail sweep as cut in so when you turn it you have to balance that by allowing almost as much room on the side that youâre turning to than the side that youâre turning away from although thatâs not much help in the case of traffic that gets to close while youâre in the middle of a turn.But being that thereâs no way to see what the rear corners are actually doing youâll only know for sure when you here the crash thatâs if you here it.
Great speel bout nothing CF. Of course the trombone is affected youâre a lot longer plus the over hang and different for turns etc. Or are you talking through your vast experience again.
End of the day you addapt your driving style to what you are hauling and get on with it after all paid to drive the truck not just sit behind a steering wheel
taffytrucker:
Great speel bout nothing CF. Of course the trombone is affected youâre a lot longer plus the over hang and different for turns etc. Or are you talking through your vast experience again.
End of the day you addapt your driving style to what you are hauling and get on with it after all paid to drive the truck not just sit behind a steering wheel
Unless youâre saying that a trombone trailer extends the overhang not the middle of the trailer then I think youâre confusing cut in with tail sweep.IE the extra length of a trombone will make no difference to the tail sweep but it will make a difference to the cut in and cut in is a lot easier to deal with than tail sweep.Which is why anyone with any sense is saying that the extra length should have been added in front of the fixed axles and the axles then moved back keeping the overhang the same.
You seem to have spent too long driving in California with a 53 ft trailer.
taffytrucker:
Great speel bout nothing CF. Of course the trombone is affected youâre a lot longer plus the over hang and different for turns etc. Or are you talking through your vast experience again.
End of the day you addapt your driving style to what you are hauling and get on with it after all paid to drive the truck not just sit behind a steering wheel
Unless youâre saying that a trombone trailer extends the overhang not the middle of the trailer then I think youâre confusing cut in with tail sweep.IE the extra length of a trombone will make no difference to the tail sweep but it will make a difference to the cut in and cut in is a lot easier to deal with than tail sweep.Which is why anyone with any sense is saying that the extra length should have been added in front of the fixed axles and the axles then moved back keeping the overhang the same.
You seem to have spent too long driving in California with a 53 ft trailer.
Bless you CF. No you extend the trailer out but because of where you are going you still to have the rear over hang because if you moved them back more you wouldnât have enough room coz of the tracking of the trailer when youâre turning so you have to keep in mind that and the extra swing on the tail
No been to CA since xmas I donât think n donât miss it
Took a Trumbone 55â out through Huddersfield and into a small village a few weeks back, no problem, and had a fantastic collection of wing mirrors when Iâd done
Seen quite a few round here as H Parkinson have got loads for doing the toilet roll out of Barrow, none of theirâs look to be bashed in either, Drivers and Screwdrivers perhaps?
Also seen a Marshallâs brick wagon that looks like one, but I didnât think theyâd get any more in under weight limits?
taffytrucker:
Great speel bout nothing CF. Of course the trombone is affected youâre a lot longer plus the over hang and different for turns etc. Or are you talking through your vast experience again.
End of the day you addapt your driving style to what you are hauling and get on with it after all paid to drive the truck not just sit behind a steering wheel
Unless youâre saying that a trombone trailer extends the overhang not the middle of the trailer then I think youâre confusing cut in with tail sweep.IE the extra length of a trombone will make no difference to the tail sweep but it will make a difference to the cut in and cut in is a lot easier to deal with than tail sweep.Which is why anyone with any sense is saying that the extra length should have been added in front of the fixed axles and the axles then moved back keeping the overhang the same.
You seem to have spent too long driving in California with a 53 ft trailer.
Bless you CF. No you extend the trailer out but because of where you are going you still to have the rear over hang because if you moved them back more you wouldnât have enough room coz of the tracking of the trailer when youâre turning so you have to keep in mind that and the extra swing on the tail
No been to CA since xmas I donât think n donât miss it
I think the overhang/tail sweep is the same on a trombone trailer no matter what length you set it at isnt it?
Assuming the axles are fixed.
taffytrucker:
Great speel bout nothing CF. Of course the trombone is affected youâre a lot longer plus the over hang and different for turns etc. Or are you talking through your vast experience again.
End of the day you addapt your driving style to what you are hauling and get on with it after all paid to drive the truck not just sit behind a steering wheel
Unless youâre saying that a trombone trailer extends the overhang not the middle of the trailer then I think youâre confusing cut in with tail sweep.IE the extra length of a trombone will make no difference to the tail sweep but it will make a difference to the cut in and cut in is a lot easier to deal with than tail sweep.Which is why anyone with any sense is saying that the extra length should have been added in front of the fixed axles and the axles then moved back keeping the overhang the same.
You seem to have spent too long driving in California with a 53 ft trailer.
Bless you CF. No you extend the trailer out but because of where you are going you still to have the rear over hang because if you moved them back more you wouldnât have enough room coz of the tracking of the trailer when youâre turning so you have to keep in mind that and the extra swing on the tail
No been to CA since xmas I donât think n donât miss it
I think the overhang/tail sweep is the same on a trombone trailer no matter what length you set it at isnt it?
Assuming the axles are fixed.
Thatâs what I was trying to tell him because the axles stay in the same places relative to the back end of the trailer.Whereas on this lash up theyâre fixated on not increasing the cut in issue so theyâve added all the extra length behind the fixed axles then theyâve nailed a steering axle on the back which just follows the extra tail sweep around.
Iâm driving one of these. Interesting to maneuver and of course as a newbie driver Iâm glad Iâve got the night run as other drivers are more patient with my reversing⌠which is getting better lol.
Do have to watch leaving the yard though as without care its easy to clip the gate with the swingâŚ
The company isnât on that list but they are subbying for someone who is.
CF I was using the extra length of a trombone trailer plus the over hang as an example. You have the extra length as its extended so therefor cuts in behind you plus with the overhang no much different to the new length trailers plus with them you have rear steer something we didnât have. Even the driver above as he says a newbie can cope fine with care. So whats the fuss about. Take your time and if unsure get out and check
Have driven the 15.65 quite often, main problem is when you try and park on MSAâs⌠especially when someone parks tight up alongsideâŚ
Once planners understand that not every delivery point can accept them things will improve. Having said that most of the 15s go to RDCs.
Just got to remember that tail swing, other than that I like them (which probably means I will smash one up tonight!!!)
Was overtaking one of Palletlines down Keele Bank last night and he had to back off rapidly when the rear end began rocking violently from left to right, at one stage i really thought he was going to lose it!
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