The law as I know it states that a drivers rest can be reduced to 9 hours 3 times a week, but who can decide without offence,or offending.
Goes back to trampers again,and bounces back to none trampers.
Its not a big issue,with trampers.
Ill give an example.
Your planner gives you the next shifts job.
By the time your finished the shift before your not going to get 11 off.
What do you do,tell you boss,the planner that your having 11off.
Deliveries gonna be late.!
So that’s the,question.
How does the employers navigate this area of breaks, does the planner ask if the,driver wants to reduce.
Is it a problem if the driver says he wants 11 off
If it’s legal, they can ask you to do it. It really is that simple.
The only way you can refuse it is if you genuinely believe that you would not be rested enough for your next shift and that road safety would be compromised as a result. However if I was your gaffer and you did that I would be assuming that meant you weren’t up to the job and looking for a way to get rid of you…
repton:
If it’s legal, they can ask you to do it. It really is that simple.
The only way you can refuse it is if you genuinely believe that you would not be rested enough for your next shift and that road safety would be compromised as a result. However if I was your gaffer and you did that I would be assuming that meant you weren’t up to the job and looking for a way to get rid of you…
Paul
If I was his gaffer, I’d be questioning myself as to why I employed such a whining ■■■■ bag.
I would be asking both gaffer and driver why this was not sorted out at the job interview
We are all different and require various amounts of sleep so we can drive safely
If the driver needs 8 hours sleep in order to drive safely and it takes 45 mins to go to/from base plus eating and washing time then it aint gonna work for that driver to reduce the daily rest
Ross v stobart:
The law as I know it states that a drivers rest can be reduced to 9 hours 3 times a week
Three times between weekly rests - not three times per week
You see people like me work like most people.
If I can’t find work because I work legally,and the only ones who find,work are prepared to flout the law.
I can tell you this,im a good driver, don’t ■■■■ up.
I’ve never had an accident,I’ve a clean licence.
I’m polite to other road users.
I like the police,and vosa.
I’m entitled to work.
repton:
If it’s legal, they can ask you to do it. It really is that simple.
The only way you can refuse it is if you genuinely believe that you would not be rested enough for your next shift and that road safety would be compromised as a result. However if I was your gaffer and you did that I would be assuming that meant you weren’t up to the job and looking for a way to get rid of you…
Paul
I agree with this ^ you would be within your right to refuse in and out but if it happens too often your gaffer ain’t going to be happy now is he, sometimes you have to box clever.
Ross v stobart:
You see people like me work like most people.
If I can’t find work because I work legally,and the only ones who find,work are prepared to flout the law.
I can tell you this,im a good driver, don’t [zb] up.
I’ve never had an accident,I’ve a clean licence.
I’m polite to other road users.
I like the police,and vosa.
I’m entitled to work.
You wouldn’t want me to be a criminal.
Work legally,
Stop abusing POA.
So we are all criminal because we want to work, in the 20 years of driving I have never been asked by any transport manager to use POA, I have use it to suit the situation that as arisen during the working day. I have legally followed the rules of the RTD working time and have not received an infringement for it.
You my be right that you are not required to be at a workstation for a POA, that is right but you using a situation that happen to you as the reason of POA been abused if you think its is why don’t you go on the government website and lodge a petition. to get it abolished.
Thanks for,the,e petition info.
I know of that already, I found information on e petition when I read about a young boy who was killed by a hgv driver who fell asleep.
The mother started a e petition, she got credit from members of parliament,but she only got just over a thousand signatures.
So she failed.
The urtu union also tried,but also failed.
The union failed in part as a result of the Ross v stobart fiasco.
Ronnie arnott of vosa commented that because of the judgment it would be work from key in to key out,minus break.
David glinos from the dft explained it would grind the transport industry to a halt.
The dft have explained the guidance may have to change.
Its all messed up.
All I really,wanted is better conditions for drivers.
There are done out there who want the same.
I spoke
I spoke with a driver today,he told me he works off the card sometimes.
The job destroyed his family,didn’t see his kids,
Another driver told me he works the tachograph to suit himself.
workers in Felixstowe are complaining of the same.
The dft know its not working but are afraid to act.
The industry has got the government by the balls because the government need all the funds from licencing and tax,fuel duty and all the rest.
honestly its not a rant against stobarts,they were just an employer who was making the most avoiding the regulations.
Most operators expect the same.
Its a dead horse.
These threads are really a rant against the misinterpretation of the law.
You know the law doesn’t work for the individual,its for everyone.
The working time regulations concern all road users,drivers,pedestrians,everyone.
You can’t tell me that most accidents don’t happen because if inattention.
Fatigue is present in most accidents.if you could stop 1 accident it would be worth it.
The industry needs to comply with the law.
If it can’t then it should opt out completely,rather than ■■■■■ footing arroyod
Campaign to raise awareness of sleep disorder after fatalcrash … www.newsshopper.co.uk/…/9193032. …Aug 12, 2011 — Carole Upcraft has launched an e-petition calling for the government to pressure lorry drivers to have …
And its not the industry at fault its the driver we have a choice to say no, to do long hours we have the choice to sleep when we get home, we have the choice to do what we want, and that includes earning a living wage.
As yourself this if you don’t like using POA, what’s stopping you from doing just that, like I said in my last post no TM in 20 years as asked me to use it.
You blame the industry for it but there working to the regulations that are there for you and the
IMHO you are just trying to get your point across about you individual case
You know what I really cant be bothered chatting to idiots like you.
Life is to short.
Just why is it that drivers have their tacho default to bteak.
Dont answer.
Im not interested in your insults.
Ross v stobart:
You know what I really cant be bothered chatting to idiots like you.
Life is to short.
Just why is it that drivers have their tacho default to bteak.
Dont answer.
Im not interested in your insults.
Your boring, and offensive.
Enjoy your cab happy trucker.
Work till you drop.
Enjoy you 81 hours a week.
Just stay away from members of the public.
Go and a job in somalia where thrre,are no laws.
What’s wrong stupid, can’t you even troll without getting upset
You constantly troll this board spouting your self opinionated rubbish about how all drivers except you are breaking the law and get upset when someone points out to you that you’re constantly talking rubbish
Do you not think it’s time you got over what happened at Stobarts or are you happy to spend your entire life whining like a big baby about it ?
Oh gosh, complaints of complaints.
It must be difficult for you guys to acknowledge that you ain’t got a clue how the working time regulations work.
I’m not really in your area of contravention.
I don’t work so many hours any more,as I can refuse to work say a six day shift.
I’m trying to reduce my work to stay in the correct side of the law.
As I said before this has nothing to do with stobarts.
It was about getting the opinion of drivers about how they are the working time law.
You keep referring to stobarts, are you a stobart spotter.by any chance.
In case your mistaken this us about drivers abusing the use of POA.
I believe your one of those drivers who when the wheels army moving,you consider it a break it poa.
Well if it works for you good.
I don’t get upset at these comments, my son finds them hilarious.
My little Lad thinks your,all cowboys.
Me personally I believe you should have a good defence if your in a accident.
Say you tired and your heed was with the fairies.
If it’s not about Stobarts why have you included them in your user-name, the simple fact is that you lost a case at tribunal and can’t get over it.
You keep bleating on about how other people don’t understand the regulations when it’s pretty obvious that you’re pretty clueless about the regulations.
You constantly suggest that other drivers are running bent but can’t back it up with anything other than hear say.
If you have such a dislike for drivers why are you on a drivers forum ?
