does 3 x 1/2hr breaks cover you?
No.
2 x 45’s, so either 4 x 30 or 1 x 15 + 1 x 30 + 1 x 15 + 1 x 30
dCPC advert number ■■■■■?
No, the first 2 half hour breaks would reset you back to 4.5hrs so you’d then need a second 45min break (or 15+30) later in the shift.
do drivers need training?
del949:
do drivers need training?
I pointed that out in my answer, but then I thought, he’s come on here to ask, so that’s his training complete surely 
surely this is basic stuff. 
I’ll put my hand up and admit that I am not always clear on some of the more complicated situations not ever having had to use them.
Still, credit to the lad for asking and not just making a mistake.
I thought I knew the hours regs well enough to get by, but two people have mentioned that your second 45m break can be split to 15 & 30 mins.
I thought you could only do this on your first break?
del949:
credit to the lad for asking and not just making a mistake.
He will still get slagged off by someone on here. Some people must think we are born with a tachograph stuck up our behinds…
People really do come up with the most stupid anwsers sometimes.Does anybody actually read tacho rules? It seems not or people wouldnt say daft things like “i didnt think you could do that on your second break”.Its down to the driver to know the rules and with it seeming like theres alot who cant be bothered or dont know or dont want to then the cpc will be a good thing then theres no excuse for not knowing.
thelorryist:
I thought I knew the hours regs well enough to get by, but two people have mentioned that your second 45m break can be split to 15 & 30 mins.I thought you could only do this on your first break?
You can do it on your 1st, 2nd, 3rd or however many 45 min breaks you may desire.
del949:
do drivers need training?
You are not alone, I meet drivers here who have no idea about hours of service. It’s so simple here but guys don’t understand the split break system of taking 2 hour off duty, then 8 in the sleeper. One of our guys was parked outside a drop a few weeks ago and said he had booked 3 hour then booked 7 in the sleeper, I told him no but he wouldn’t have it. Result !he got a violation on his log. The same guy thinks if a trailer is empty it is ok to log off and drive 
I explained to him that if that were legal nobody would ever run out of time on our job
Pat, thats exaclty what I meant when i said that I have little knowledge of the “unusual” bits of tacho legislation, i.e. int he UK the variations that are allowed for ferries etc.
I have never done this the type of work that uses these so have had no experience and will admit that if I needed to know I would be posting questions on here.
But there is a difference between things that are specific to certain circs and the basic rules.
Don’t be harsh towards lads asking questions. Only an idiot wouldn’t ask if he wasn’t sure. I’ve learned some stuff in my time on here. Yes the information is out there but the only information you can quote in a court of law is often incomprehensible to a lot of drivers, including me. When I started out nobody gave a toss except the law if you were stopped. There was no tacho analysis, often tachos weren’t even kept. I worked for what was the biggest in the UK at the time and looking back now it was shocking what went on but nobody cared! I think the training system should incorporate a section on drivers hours and vehicle checks.It’s obviously the biggest issue drivers have aside from pay! No pass, no drive.
thelorryist:
I thought I knew the hours regs well enough to get by, but two people have mentioned that your second 45m break can be split to 15 & 30 mins.I thought you could only do this on your first break?
Article 7
After a driving period of four and a half hours a driver shall
take an uninterrupted break of not less than 45 minutes,
unless he takes a rest period.
This break may be replaced by a break of at least 15 minutes
followed by a break of at least 30 minutes each distributed
over the period in such a way as to comply with the provisions
of the first paragraph.
There you go, nothing about it only being the first break and if it isn’t in there it isn’t a thing.
Of course a driver should know the basic rules, but there are all kinds of exceptions that he may not normally use.
A driver who spent the last ten years doing 8/9 hours a day in an 18 tonner may well not be too sure about the rules for a second break when he goes over ten hours. In 40+ years of driving, I have never double manned so I am not too clear about the rules; neither am I totally sure of the rules about split breaks on ferries. What I do know, is that there are rules and where to find them - so, in the unlikely event, I will look them up. I wouldn’t ask on here because I would get flamed for being an idiot.
When I did my CPC (the manager’s version) I had to learn all sorts of stuff about construction and use, TIR and international rail freight. I promptly forgot it all, but (in those pre-internet days) I had Croner’s exellent guide to look it up if I needed to.
Pat Hasler:
It’s so simple here but guys don’t understand the split break system of taking 2 hour off duty, then 8 in the sleeper.
Not legal !
3+9 as of 2007.
turnip:
Pat Hasler:
It’s so simple here but guys don’t understand the split break system of taking 2 hour off duty, then 8 in the sleeper.Not legal !
3+9 as of 2007.
Only on this side of the pond
Pat Hasler:
del949:
do drivers need training?You are not alone, I meet drivers here who have no idea about hours of service. It’s so simple here but guys don’t understand the split break system of taking 2 hour off duty, then 8 in the sleeper. One of our guys was parked outside a drop a few weeks ago and said he had booked 3 hour then booked 7 in the sleeper, I told him no but he wouldn’t have it. Result !he got a violation on his log. The same guy thinks if a trailer is empty it is ok to log off and drive
I explained to him that if that were legal nobody would ever run out of time on our job
Obviously not that simple it 3 hours then 9 for a split daily rest.
Maybe DCPC IS a good idea after all.