albion1971:
I guess what I’m saying is, in the interests of self preservation would it not be smarter to choose a more suitable cycle to deal with the cycle paths than put yourself in a potentially dangerous road ■■
Sorry to be pedantic but there is nothing dangerous about the roads.It is the drivers and the cyclists that are the problem.
Attitudes on both sides need to change for a start!
Realistically to all intents and purposes the only difference between the average pavement or shared pedestrian/cycleway and the road is that on the pavement there’s a lot less chance of being flattened by a truck or a bus and there’s often less pot holes and craters than on the road.Which can only mean that all the downsides,against using offroad provision or pavements,is all in the cyclists heads.While,as shown in the video example,which was ironically first posted by Boomerang Dave ,cyclists who’d prefer to stay on the road are just doing it to cause aggravation and/or ride like their tour de france heroes on the road in traffic on their way to work or wherever without any regard whatsoever to the conditions and risks which they are in and expecting everyone else around them to make allowances for.
In other words the majority of them are just a bunch of stupid selfish tossers and the only attitudes which need to change are theirs.
albion1971:
I guess what I’m saying is, in the interests of self preservation would it not be smarter to choose a more suitable cycle to deal with the cycle paths than put yourself in a potentially dangerous road ■■
Sorry to be pedantic but there is nothing dangerous about the roads.It is the drivers and the cyclists that are the problem.
Attitudes on both sides need to change for a start!
Realistically to all intents and purposes the only difference between the average pavement or shared pedestrian/cycleway and the road is that on the pavement there’s a lot less chance of being flattened by a truck or a bus and there’s often less pot holes and craters than on the road.Which can only mean that all the downsides,against using offroad provision or pavements,is all in the cyclists heads.While,as shown in the video example,which was ironically first posted by Boomerang Dave ,cyclists who’d prefer to stay on the road are just doing it to cause aggravation and/or ride like their tour de france heroes on the road in traffic on their way to work or wherever without any regard whatsoever to the conditions and risks which they are in and expecting everyone else around them to make allowances for.
In other words the majority of them are just a bunch of stupid selfish tossers and the only attitudes which need to change are theirs.
Please answer these two simple questions in ten words or less:
When did you last ride a bicycle on a public road?
albion1971:
I guess what I’m saying is, in the interests of self preservation would it not be smarter to choose a more suitable cycle to deal with the cycle paths than put yourself in a potentially dangerous road ■■
Sorry to be pedantic but there is nothing dangerous about the roads.It is the drivers and the cyclists that are the problem.
Attitudes on both sides need to change for a start!
Realistically to all intents and purposes the only difference between the average pavement or shared pedestrian/cycleway and the road is that on the pavement there’s a lot less chance of being flattened by a truck or a bus and there’s often less pot holes and craters than on the road.Which can only mean that all the downsides,against using offroad provision or pavements,is all in the cyclists heads.While,as shown in the video example,which was ironically first posted by Boomerang Dave ,cyclists who’d prefer to stay on the road are just doing it to cause aggravation and/or ride like their tour de france heroes on the road in traffic on their way to work or wherever without any regard whatsoever to the conditions and risks which they are in and expecting everyone else around them to make allowances for.
In other words the majority of them are just a bunch of stupid selfish tossers and the only attitudes which need to change are theirs.
Please answer these two simple questions in ten words or less:
When did you last ride a bicycle on a public road?
When did you last drive an HGV on a public road?
Thatcher, unions, convoy, double drive, 1970s, two stroke, keyboard, warrior.
albion1971:
I guess what I’m saying is, in the interests of self preservation would it not be smarter to choose a more suitable cycle to deal with the cycle paths than put yourself in a potentially dangerous road ■■
Sorry to be pedantic but there is nothing dangerous about the roads.It is the drivers and the cyclists that are the problem.
Attitudes on both sides need to change for a start!
Realistically to all intents and purposes the only difference between the average pavement or shared pedestrian/cycleway and the road is that on the pavement there’s a lot less chance of being flattened by a truck or a bus and there’s often less pot holes and craters than on the road.Which can only mean that all the downsides,against using offroad provision or pavements,is all in the cyclists heads.While,as shown in the video example,which was ironically first posted by Boomerang Dave ,cyclists who’d prefer to stay on the road are just doing it to cause aggravation and/or ride like their tour de france heroes on the road in traffic on their way to work or wherever without any regard whatsoever to the conditions and risks which they are in and expecting everyone else around them to make allowances for.
In other words the majority of them are just a bunch of stupid selfish tossers and the only attitudes which need to change are theirs.
Please answer these two simple questions in ten words or less:
When did you last ride a bicycle on a public road?
When did you last drive an HGV on a public road?
Thatcher, unions, convoy, double drive, 1970s, two stroke, keyboard, warrior.
That’s 10 I think
I don’t often actually laugh at something I read, but that’s quality!
Blimey that will be fun not.Just remember that the tour de france is held once a year on closed roads and those who follow it are mostly as unhinged as most cyclists .Don’t be surprised to find that the average RN will be populated by loads of trucks trying to make up time while trying to also avoid the autoroute tolls and not all,or in fact many,will be driven by those with much sympathy for the cycling cause.Which probably just leaves the arguably ‘slightly’ safer option of reducing the odds by using the uk/spain ferry services instead.
Blimey that will be fun not.Just remember that the tour de france is held once a year on closed roads and those who follow it are mostly as unhinged as most cyclists .Don’t be surprised to find that the average RN will be populated by loads of trucks trying to make up time while trying to also avoid the autoroute tolls and not all,or in fact many,will be driven by those with much sympathy for the cycling cause.Which probably just leaves the arguably ‘slightly’ safer option of reducing the odds by using the uk/spain ferry services instead.
Haven’t done much international work, have you? You haven’t answered my two very simple questions either.
albion1971:
I guess what I’m saying is, in the interests of self preservation would it not be smarter to choose a more suitable cycle to deal with the cycle paths than put yourself in a potentially dangerous road ■■
Sorry to be pedantic but there is nothing dangerous about the roads.It is the drivers and the cyclists that are the problem.
Attitudes on both sides need to change for a start!
Realistically to all intents and purposes the only difference between the average pavement or shared pedestrian/cycleway and the road is that on the pavement there’s a lot less chance of being flattened by a truck or a bus and there’s often less pot holes and craters than on the road.Which can only mean that all the downsides,against using offroad provision or pavements,is all in the cyclists heads.While,as shown in the video example,which was ironically first posted by Boomerang Dave ,cyclists who’d prefer to stay on the road are just doing it to cause aggravation and/or ride like their tour de france heroes on the road in traffic on their way to work or wherever without any regard whatsoever to the conditions and risks which they are in and expecting everyone else around them to make allowances for.
In other words the majority of them are just a bunch of stupid selfish tossers and the only attitudes which need to change are theirs.
Please answer these two simple questions in ten words or less:
When did you last ride a bicycle on a public road?
When did you last drive an HGV on a public road?
You must have missed the bit where I said that I’ve never been stupid enough to want to ride a bicycle on the road I kept to the pavements and that would have been,you’ve guessed it,yes the early 1970’s.Being that I was old enough and sensible enough and good enough to earn the money to afford,and to drive,a decent car at the age of 17 in the late 1970’s and used the bus to get to work during the small amount of time it took to reach that age.
As for driving an HGV all that matters is that during around the 20 years that I did drive them I didn’t flatten any cyclists having done all my HGV training in the urban areas of what was Middlesex and West London and passed two HGV tests first time both taken at Yeading.Then spent a good deal of time in that area amongst others driving very cyclist unfriendly special types wagons where lets just say that the conditions weren’t exactly as easy as many other places around the country in regards to having to negotiate urban hazards of which cyclists were just some although luckily not in the numbers of today and often with the sense to stay off the roads and keep to the pavements.
Blimey that will be fun not.Just remember that the tour de france is held once a year on closed roads and those who follow it are mostly as unhinged as most cyclists .Don’t be surprised to find that the average RN will be populated by loads of trucks trying to make up time while trying to also avoid the autoroute tolls and not all,or in fact many,will be driven by those with much sympathy for the cycling cause.Which probably just leaves the arguably ‘slightly’ safer option of reducing the odds by using the uk/spain ferry services instead.
Haven’t done much international work, have you? You haven’t answered my two very simple questions either.
I can probably guarantee that I’ve driven enough miles on foreign roads to obviously know better than you in that I won’t be riding a bike to Spain even if I wanted to.As for the answers to the questions try some better specs.
albion1971:
I guess what I’m saying is, in the interests of self preservation would it not be smarter to choose a more suitable cycle to deal with the cycle paths than put yourself in a potentially dangerous road ■■
Sorry to be pedantic but there is nothing dangerous about the roads.It is the drivers and the cyclists that are the problem.
Attitudes on both sides need to change for a start!
Realistically to all intents and purposes the only difference between the average pavement or shared pedestrian/cycleway and the road is that on the pavement there’s a lot less chance of being flattened by a truck or a bus and there’s often less pot holes and craters than on the road.Which can only mean that all the downsides,against using offroad provision or pavements,is all in the cyclists heads.While,as shown in the video
example,which was ironically first posted by Boomerang Dave ,cyclists who’d prefer to stay on the road are just doing it to cause aggravation and/or ride like their tour de france heroes on the road in traffic on their way to work or wherever without any regard whatsoever to the conditions and risks which they are in and expecting everyone else around them to make allowances for. :roll
In other words the majority of them are just a bunch of stupid selfish tossers and the only attitudes which need to change are theirs.
Prehaps they dont want to ride on pavements as they are used by pedestrians and they are going to most probaly end up wrapped round a buggy or shopping troley before long.
Blimey that will be fun not.Just remember that the tour de france is held once a year on closed roads and those who follow it are mostly as unhinged as most cyclists .Don’t be surprised to find that the average RN will be populated by loads of trucks trying to make up time while trying to also avoid the autoroute tolls and not all,or in fact many,will be driven by those with much sympathy for the cycling cause.Which probably just leaves the arguably ‘slightly’ safer option of reducing the odds by using the uk/spain ferry services instead.
Haven’t done much international work, have you? You haven’t answered my two very simple questions either.
I can probably guarantee that I’ve driven enough miles on foreign roads to obviously know better than you in that I won’t be riding a bike to Spain even if I wanted to.As for the answers to the questions try some better specs.
I’m not psychic. If I was i wouldn’t have asked the question before you posted completely different answers to the ones requested.
So you drove around West London years ago, well done. You haven’t ridden a bicycle since the 1970’s and you won’t say when you last drove an HGV. You imagine that RN’s are full of lorries avoiding tolls?!
Carryfast:
I can probably guarantee that I’ve driven enough miles on foreign roads to obviously know better than you in that I won’t be riding a bike to Spain even if I wanted to.As for the answers to the questions try some better specs.
Cycling is, in fact, incredibly popular in Spain and France, much more so than over here. Possibly due to the weather and availability of good cycling terrain. There are plenty of good lower category roads covering the same routes as the signed RNs keeping them away from mainstream traffic and “tourists” . I’ve seen loads on the old road over Somosierra that runs next the national 1, for example
Plenty of companies that specialise in cycling holidays and I’ve seen plenty on the Santan ferry.
I know this because I’ve actually seen it from my lorry
albion1971:
I guess what I’m saying is, in the interests of self preservation would it not be smarter to choose a more suitable cycle to deal with the cycle paths than put yourself in a potentially dangerous road ■■
Sorry to be pedantic but there is nothing dangerous about the roads.It is the drivers and the cyclists that are the problem.
Attitudes on both sides need to change for a start!
Realistically to all intents and purposes the only difference between the average pavement or shared pedestrian/cycleway and the road is that on the pavement there’s a lot less chance of being flattened by a truck or a bus and there’s often less pot holes and craters than on the road.Which can only mean that all the downsides,against using offroad provision or pavements,is all in the cyclists heads.While,as shown in the video
example,which was ironically first posted by Boomerang Dave ,cyclists who’d prefer to stay on the road are just doing it to cause aggravation and/or ride like their tour de france heroes on the road in traffic on their way to work or wherever without any regard whatsoever to the conditions and risks which they are in and expecting everyone else around them to make allowances for. :roll
In other words the majority of them are just a bunch of stupid selfish tossers and the only attitudes which need to change are theirs.
Prehaps they dont want to ride on pavements as they are used by pedestrians and they are going to most probaly end up wrapped round a buggy or shopping troley before long.
If they intend to ride everywhere at up to 30-35 mph that would obviously be a certainty.Which would obviously mean that their attitudes regarding speed would also have to change in addition to their views on ignoring shared pedestrian/cycleway provision.So the choice is ride on the pavements at a reasonable speed or continue to use the roads also ignoring the existing shared cycleway/pedestrian provision.In which case it’s a bit unfair for them to then blame truck and bus drivers when the odds say that some will inevitably get flattened or when they find themselves being passed by a truck with the same clearance that they seemed happy enough to undertake it with moments before.
Blimey that will be fun not.Just remember that the tour de france is held once a year on closed roads and those who follow it are mostly as unhinged as most cyclists .Don’t be surprised to find that the average RN will be populated by loads of trucks trying to make up time while trying to also avoid the autoroute tolls and not all,or in fact many,will be driven by those with much sympathy for the cycling cause.Which probably just leaves the arguably ‘slightly’ safer option of reducing the odds by using the uk/spain ferry services instead.
Haven’t done much international work, have you? You haven’t answered my two very simple questions either.
I can probably guarantee that I’ve driven enough miles on foreign roads to obviously know better than you in that I won’t be riding a bike to Spain even if I wanted to.As for the answers to the questions try some better specs.
I’m not psychic. If I was i wouldn’t have asked the question before you posted completely different answers to the ones requested.
So you drove around West London years ago, well done. You haven’t ridden a bicycle since the 1970’s and you won’t say when you last drove an HGV. You imagine that RN’s are full of lorries avoiding tolls?!
It’s not looking good for you, is it?
I didn’t say that the RN’s are ‘full’ of trucks or they wouldn’t ever be worth using with a car .However there’s usually ‘enough’ trucks running at sufficient speeds to make things a ‘bit’ uncomfortable for any cyclist who’s bothered about being passed a bit close by a truck travelling at around 30 mph in Chiswick.
As Billybigrig says you could use the lesser D roads in which case the problem probably won’t be trucks but not very good drivers of cars going too fast for those roads and the slower traffic like cyclists who might be using them.
Scanner:
Undertaking a stationary vehicle is quite different to being overtaken by same when it is travelling at 30/40/50MPH.
It’s called physics.
The vehicle in question wasn’t exactly stationary it was in fact running at around a similar speed as the cyclist was.While that still doesn’t answer the issue of ignoring a marked cycleway and then moaning about being passed by the truck in question with the same amount of clearance when the cyclist shouldn’t even have been there.
Don’t be surprised to find that the average RN will be populated by loads of trucks trying to make up time while trying to also avoid the autoroute tolls and not all,or in fact many,will be driven by those with much sympathy for the cycling cause
No, you said this. Completely different.
I’m not bothered by people passing me “a bit close”. I would like people to give me enough room to safely pass, but I’m not going to lose any sleep over it if they don’t. I’m going to Chiswick tomorrow actually, it’s not a problem cycling around there.
Scanner:
Undertaking a stationary vehicle is quite different to being overtaken by same when it is travelling at 30/40/50MPH.
It’s called physics.
The vehicle in question wasn’t exactly stationary it was in fact running at around a similar speed as the cyclist was.While that still doesn’t answer the issue of ignoring a marked cycleway and then moaning about being passed by the truck in question with the same amount of clearance when the cyclist shouldn’t even have been there.
Scanner:
Undertaking a stationary vehicle is quite different to being overtaken by same when it is travelling at 30/40/50MPH.
It’s called physics.
The vehicle in question wasn’t exactly stationary it was in fact running at around a similar speed as the cyclist was.While that still doesn’t answer the issue of ignoring a marked cycleway and then moaning about being passed by the truck in question with the same amount of clearance when the cyclist shouldn’t even have been there.
What vehicle? You didn’t specify one.
Yes I did unless you’ve already forgotten about this post.
Scanner:
Undertaking a stationary vehicle is quite different to being overtaken by same when it is travelling at 30/40/50MPH.
It’s called physics.
The vehicle in question wasn’t exactly stationary it was in fact running at around a similar speed as the cyclist was.While that still doesn’t answer the issue of ignoring a marked cycleway and then moaning about being passed by the truck in question with the same amount of clearance when the cyclist shouldn’t even have been there.
What vehicle? You didn’t specify one.
Yes I did unless you’ve already forgotten about this post.
I’ve just watched the video. It’s heavy traffic, the cyclist is making progress. Tipper man either doesn’t see him or deliberately gives him a nudge. Either way he’s in the wrong.
,cyclists who’d prefer to stay on the road are just doing it to cause aggravation and/or ride like their tour de france heroes on the road in traffic on their way to work or wherever without any regard whatsoever to the conditions and risks which they are in and expecting everyone else around them to make allowances for. 
