Some body wole me from my period of availability.
Now then truckers ill give you the answer.
If you collect your solo unit and whilst doing your feeble and often un diligent checks if you happen to notice in your semi comatose state that the unit is defect free and has no abs or ebs warning on ze dash then its defect free so go ahead tick all the box and nill defect.
After your brew and ciggy then go and find the trailer.
If whilst checking there are no faults on abs or ebs and tyres ect then get ready to go.
If and before you leave the depot or site whilst driving the abs or ebs illuminate then stop clean and straighten any abs pins and try again.
If on the second attempt and before you are en route the lights illuminate then VOSA and FTA confirm the vehicles need to be fixed before the delivery.
If lights come on en route then the driver should record as such and it needs to be booked in after and before the next shifts delivery.
How to comply
And how to protect yourself others and the company you work for.
Don’t believe anything else.
To protect yourself and transport safety.
Compliance in the long run towers over all.
Now I’m going back to my P O A
Ross v stobart:
Some body wole me from my period of availability.
Now then truckers ill give you the answer.
If you collect your solo unit and whilst doing your feeble and often un diligent checks if you happen to notice in your semi comatose state that the unit is defect free and has no abs or ebs warning on ze dash then its defect free so go ahead tick all the box and nill defect.
After your brew and ciggy then go and find the trailer.
If whilst checking there are no faults on abs or ebs and tyres ect then get ready to go.
If and before you leave the depot or site whilst driving the abs or ebs illuminate then stop clean and straighten any abs pins and try again.
If on the second attempt and before you are en route the lights illuminate then VOSA and FTA confirm the vehicles need to be fixed before the delivery.
If lights come on en route then the driver should record as such and it needs to be booked in after and before the next shifts delivery.
How to comply
And how to protect yourself others and the company you work for.
Don’t believe anything else.
To protect yourself and transport safety.
Compliance in the long run towers over all. Now I’m going back to my P O A
We have some old trailers which do not have an ABS socket at all.
So the unit’s ABS lead stays in it’s hidey hole.
Why does the orange light come on and is it ok to use?
"gazzah:
"We have even spoken to Vosa about it and they wont put anything in writing regarding this problem.
they put this in writing
VOSA Memo 12 /11
Memo No 12/11 Title IM 38 HGV/PSV ABS Warning Lamp Prohibition Issue Subject area Revised procedure for Prohibition Issue for ABS Malfunction Indicator Lamp illumination From Simon J Griffiths Contact details Simon.Griffiths2@vosa.gov.uk 07967 126518 0117 954 3468 To (Action required) VEs, SVEs TE’s STE’s AM Copy to (for information) Testing Staff, SMs, QA&I officers, Training Services, RM’s, Press Office. RHA, FTA. CPT and SMMT Expiry date N/A Supersedes Memos N/A
Purpose: The purpose of this memo is to define the procedure for Delayed Prohibition Issue requirements applicable when an illuminated ABS Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) is found
Process Users: Vehicle Examiners
Initiating Inputs: An illuminated ABS MIL is found at roadside inspection
Outputs: To ensure VOSA applies a consistent procedure in accordance with the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 Regulation 18, that does not compromise road safety
Procedure — General Rules: - C&U Regulation 18(1A) & (1B) gives dispensation for the sanction level applied for an ABS MIL defect if the defect occurs “during the journey or is being driven to a place where the ABS is to undergo repair” - It is acknowledged that it is not possible for an examiner to independently determine whether a MIL has become illuminated during a journey, at the start of which the ABS system was functioning correctly - This procedure therefore shows the process to be used in order for the Examiner to decide, to the best of his ability using the evidence supplied, whether or not the dispensation (as specified by C&U Reg 18) can be applied to the specific circumstance in question, e.g. an illuminated ABS MIL. - This procedure applies to Anti-Lock Braking System MIL only, and not Electronic Braking System MIL - By “this journey” it is meant, the current journey which must have been started within the day. For practical purposes a day is defined as any 24 hour period that begins when a driver starts work after a daily or weekly rest. It is not a rolling period.
This Procedure applies to domestic and non-domestic vehicles Procedure: Responsibility Procedure Notes 1. Vehicle Examiner Examiner finds ABS MIL illuminated 2. Vehicle Examiner Establish if the MIL is coloured red or yellow/amber 3. Vehicle Examiner If lamp is coloured red the normal prohibition sanction level as specified by the Categorisation of Defects is applied 4.Vehicle Examiner If the ABS MIL is yellow/amber but a secondary red (Stop) warning lamp is illuminated, this must be treated the same as a red lamp 5. Vehicle Examiner If the lamp in coloured yellow/ amber the examiner will need to obtain evidence from the vehicle driver that the MIL became illuminated during this journey 6. Vehicle Examiner Evidence for 5 above must consist of the following and be available at the time of inspection: 6. (i) Walk around check sheet correctly completed indicating correctly functioning braking system The check sheet may be electronic. The check sheet may specify ‘ABS’ 6. (ii) A defect reporting log which must include date, time, location, mileage (at time of incident), details of action taken (including any rectification if applicable) Note. ‘Action taken’ must contain information such as driver checked no visible defect evident or OBD interrogation occurred and note that brake performance and operation appears to be normal. 7. Vehicle Examiner If the examiner is satisfied that, from the evidence provided, the defect occurred within the present journey, and/or the vehicle is en route to a place of repair (or a repairer is travelling to the scene) and that no other obvious braking defect is present then an Inspection Notice is to be issued
xamtex:
antilock brakes always default to full braking in the event of a failure…
Sorry No, that is incorrect. On some vehicles the modulator valve which operates the rear brakes is solely activated by the electronic EBS connection. Since there is no pneumatic trigger link between the footbrake valve and the Modulator these brakes will not work should the electronic signal fail.
The warning light should however be on in such cases, unless of course the bulb has blown… so it might be worthwhile checking that the bulb is working before you set off.
Its illegal to leave the yard with an abs light on be it yellow or red.You should have 3 powers down the ABS lead 1 red main solenoid power, 2 ABS trigger valve, 3 sensing
eg red pin 1 black pin 2 white pin 5 the brown and yellow are earths.
EBS is pins 6 and 7 and have no input for the ABS.
You can drive back to the yard or place of repair with an amber ABS light if it comes on en route.
renaultman:
Depends on the age of the trailer, some older trailers will put a yellow light out, until you get to 10mph, I think? If it goes out when you start driving, then you have no ABS fault, if it doesn’t, then you do.
These trailers normally have a green light near the front marker lights, this should flash a few times, if you apply the brakes when you 1st turn the ignition on, then go out.
If the light stays on all the time your brake lights are on, you have an ABS fault, and you will get a gv9 if you get stopped.
It is a bit frightening, that I have just had to explain this to the Foreman fitter at my local DAF workshop, before they started ripping everything apart in search of an ABS fault
renaultman:
Depends on the age of the trailer, some older trailers will put a yellow light out, until you get to 10mph, I think? If it goes out when you start driving, then you have no ABS fault, if it doesn’t, then you do.
These trailers normally have a green light near the front marker lights, this should flash a few times, if you apply the brakes when you 1st turn the ignition on, then go out.
If the light stays on all the time your brake lights are on, you have an ABS fault, and you will get a gv9 if you get stopped.
It is a bit frightening, that I have just had to explain this to the Foreman fitter at my local DAF workshop, before they started ripping everything apart in search of an ABS fault
an abs green light works with the brake lights,
if u touch the footbrake down just to so the brake lghts come on with the ignition on it should illuminate, u should hear the valve blow off, the light should go out for a few seconds then come back on and stay on
Both abs solenoids should “spit” when you couple the ABS lead if you have the yellow line connected as a self test.If they spit and the light stays on above 10 km then 9 times out of10 you have a wheel sensor failure.
Some older ABS leads have a couple of pins less than the newer ones. So a simple change of the ABS lead can resolve the problem.
As already pointed out, WD40 works wonders.
But what no one ever seems to check is the ABS fuse. This can blow when swapping trailers, When water gets in the ABS lead contacts (hence the use of WD40), and when jacknifing the lorry and stretching the lead.
axletramp:
We have some old trailers which do not have an ABS socket at all.
So the unit’s ABS lead stays in it’s hidey hole.
Why does the orange light come on and is it ok to use?
Because it should be powered through the S susie as its generation one ABS. Also connected through the brake light but about as much good as f all as it takes the modulators at least 5 seconds to self test and apply the brakes.Better to leave abs disconnected and run the brakes on default.
"gazzah:
"We have even spoken to Vosa about it and they wont put anything in writing regarding this problem.
they put this in writing
VOSA Memo 12 /11
Memo No 12/11 Title IM 38 HGV/PSV ABS Warning Lamp Prohibition Issue Subject area Revised procedure for Prohibition Issue for ABS Malfunction Indicator Lamp illumination From Simon J Griffiths Contact details Simon.Griffiths2@vosa.gov.uk 07967 126518 0117 954 3468 To (Action required) VEs, SVEs TE’s STE’s AM Copy to (for information) Testing Staff, SMs, QA&I officers, Training Services, RM’s, Press Office. RHA, FTA. CPT and SMMT Expiry date N/A Supersedes Memos N/A
Purpose: The purpose of this memo is to define the procedure for Delayed Prohibition Issue requirements applicable when an illuminated ABS Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) is found
Process Users: Vehicle Examiners
Initiating Inputs: An illuminated ABS MIL is found at roadside inspection
Outputs: To ensure VOSA applies a consistent procedure in accordance with the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 Regulation 18, that does not compromise road safety
Procedure — General Rules: - C&U Regulation 18(1A) & (1B) gives dispensation for the sanction level applied for an ABS MIL defect if the defect occurs “during the journey or is being driven to a place where the ABS is to undergo repair” - It is acknowledged that it is not possible for an examiner to independently determine whether a MIL has become illuminated during a journey, at the start of which the ABS system was functioning correctly - This procedure therefore shows the process to be used in order for the Examiner to decide, to the best of his ability using the evidence supplied, whether or not the dispensation (as specified by C&U Reg 18) can be applied to the specific circumstance in question, e.g. an illuminated ABS MIL. - This procedure applies to Anti-Lock Braking System MIL only, and not Electronic Braking System MIL - By “this journey” it is meant, the current journey which must have been started within the day. For practical purposes a day is defined as any 24 hour period that begins when a driver starts work after a daily or weekly rest. It is not a rolling period.
This Procedure applies to domestic and non-domestic vehicles Procedure: Responsibility Procedure Notes 1. Vehicle Examiner Examiner finds ABS MIL illuminated 2. Vehicle Examiner Establish if the MIL is coloured red or yellow/amber 3. Vehicle Examiner If lamp is coloured red the normal prohibition sanction level as specified by the Categorisation of Defects is applied 4.Vehicle Examiner If the ABS MIL is yellow/amber but a secondary red (Stop) warning lamp is illuminated, this must be treated the same as a red lamp 5. Vehicle Examiner If the lamp in coloured yellow/ amber the examiner will need to obtain evidence from the vehicle driver that the MIL became illuminated during this journey 6. Vehicle Examiner Evidence for 5 above must consist of the following and be available at the time of inspection: 6. (i) Walk around check sheet correctly completed indicating correctly functioning braking system The check sheet may be electronic. The check sheet may specify ‘ABS’ 6. (ii) A defect reporting log which must include date, time, location, mileage (at time of incident), details of action taken (including any rectification if applicable) Note. ‘Action taken’ must contain information such as driver checked no visible defect evident or OBD interrogation occurred and note that brake performance and operation appears to be normal. 7. Vehicle Examiner If the examiner is satisfied that, from the evidence provided, the defect occurred within the present journey, and/or the vehicle is en route to a place of repair (or a repairer is travelling to the scene) and that no other obvious braking defect is present then an Inspection Notice is to be issued
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Just a shame they know jack eh!Wouldnt know an ABS system if it bit them in the arse.
Whether they know jack ■■■■ or not, this is what they put in writing, and unless you are 100% correct, it don’t really matter what the apprentice thinks does it?
Wheel Nut:
Whether they know jack [zb] or not, this is what they put in writing, and unless you are 100% correct, it don’t really matter what the apprentice thinks does it?
Wheel Nut:
Whether they know jack [zb] or not, this is what they put in writing, and unless you are 100% correct, it don’t really matter what the apprentice thinks does it?
On DAF’s if the EBS and VSC come on and STAY on its a sensor in the hub at fault, but getting some DAF dealers to change them is not that easy. We kept being fobbed off by DAF, by the time we found out what the solution is we got rid of the DAF’s…good bloody riddence
I had a red ABS/EAB warning light on a Backsore (AXOR)
It transpired that the red line had kinked on the curtain tensioners and the trailer was running out of air quickly. Pulled in to the garage and after the smell of brake dust dispersed (and a coffee was obtained of course) then I proceeded on my merry way.
I am just thankful that the light came on rather than it jamming on in lane 1 of a dual carriageway at night.
trubster:
I had a red ABS/EAB warning light on a Backsore (AXOR)
It transpired that the red line had kinked on the curtain tensioners and the trailer was running out of air quickly. Pulled in to the garage and after the smell of brake dust dispersed (and a coffee was obtained of course) then I proceeded on my merry way.
I am just thankful that the light came on rather than it jamming on in lane 1 of a dual carriageway at night.
The blue wire (7) on the N susie used to be linked to to a trailer air tank pressure sensor but they decided that it was not needed anymore.
trubster:
I had a red ABS/EAB warning light on a Backsore (AXOR)
It transpired that the red line had kinked on the curtain tensioners and the trailer was running out of air quickly. Pulled in to the garage and after the smell of brake dust dispersed (and a coffee was obtained of course) then I proceeded on my merry way.
I am just thankful that the light came on rather than it jamming on in lane 1 of a dual carriageway at night.
The blue wire (7) on the N susie used to be linked to to a trailer air tank pressure sensor but they decided that it was not needed anymore.
That was a long time ago. There was only the one (N) suzie then, a shorted switch could be a nuisance. Following a car rear ending one of our trailers on the M6, the company I was working for back in 1978 decided to fit really high intensity rear foglights to all trailers. The cheapest way to do it was to disconnect the low pressure switch and use its wiring to power the new foglights.
I ripped out the ebs lead (the big one) the other day. The on call manager called MAN breakdown and they said it was legal to drive with amber lights as braking performance and abs would still function correctly.
