Can I ask. You can only do 60 hours work a week breaks don’t count a get that.
But does the week start at 00.01 mon same as when your driving time resets for the week?
Reason ask say I start my working week on a sunday finish on the Friday. As been told were expected to work one sunday a month now. Would the hours on Sunday count with the rest of my working week. Or would it reset at midnight and be added on to previous week.
edd1974:
Can I ask. You can only do 60 hours work a week breaks don’t count a get that.
But does the week start at 00.01 mon same as when your driving time resets for the week?
Reason ask say I start my working week on a sunday finish on the Friday. As been told were expected to work one sunday a month now. Would the hours on Sunday count with the rest of my working week. Or would it reset at midnight and be added on to previous week.
The week for the 60 hour a week rule starts and ends at Sunday midnight, you can work 60 hours in a fixed week (00:00 Monday to 24:00 Sunday).
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trevHCS:
Unless you worl for a supermarket or similar corp, take no notice of WTD averages, nighttime 10 hour limits or anything else that stops you earning money. EU regs are to be adhered to strictly, anything else just pay lip service to unless company complain.Btw its up to the company to figure averages not you so they prob will complain if that’s your excuse for not completing the job.
So I’m not supposed to keep an eye on staying within the law. You must be management. Use the rule book against a driver when it suits, but get affronted when a driver has the audacity to try to stay within the law when you merely want to overwork him.
I’m looking at other jobs anyway. Sod em. Sack me if they like. I’m not going to let them treat me like a slave.
Do you worry about Mot,tax on the vehicle?.As said.The wtd directive 48hr average is the problem for the office to keep an eye on.And as Rog said.There has’nt been anyone prosecuted for it in all the years its been in practice.
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Juddian:
In one of it’s main (the better part) previous incarnations, your lot used to pay stand down time, @ £100 a day if my memory serves, or was it £120, can’t remember now.
Have they stopped this now?
If so another nail in the coffin, no wonder the drivers are disappearing onto ECM.edit…ah i see you don’t use POA, we had an agreement when i was there that so long as you used 1.25 (one and a quarter) hours of POA in a week, you’d qualify for the full stand down pay when your hours were getting high, that meant at least an extra couple of weeks paid holiday a year for many…worth speaking to the shop steward about this, if you ask management?..er just don’t.
There’s no paid stand down time. At the current rate I’m looking at two weeks without pay during this period. I have told the allocator I was finishing too late on Fridays on a regular basis. So what do they do, they plan me in another 13 hour day on a Friday. Im not doing it. I did 8 hours, parked up, and went home. Monday is going to the interesting when they ring asking what time I’ll be tipped when I’m still loading up.
I might give ECM a call. You don’t see many sub 11 loads with them do you. That kind of puts me off, but if it’s good long runs I would jump at it.
Edit; I’ve printed out the application form, will fill it in and post it off on Monday if I get any grief.
they don’t have to stand you down.
You go in they say go sit in the canteen for 8 hrs on poa then go home .
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from 7 years ago
Still no prosecutions under working time regs for hauliers
21 April 2011
Six years after the introduction of the working time regulations and still no transport company has been prosecuted for breaches of the regulations.
In the latest available results, VOSA says it carried out 565 visits to operators’ premises in the third quarter of 2010, resulting in advice being given to 79 operators. No improvement notices were issued, which is the next stage if advice is ignored. “We have not prosecuted anyone under the regulations, preferring to prosecute for drivers’ hours offences where found,” says a VOSA spokesman.
The Road Transport (Working Time) Regulations came into force in April 2005 as part of the Working Time Directive (WTD), which applies to all industry sectors, and limit average working time to 48 hours a week. They also require records to be kept for two years.
“There was no need for it and we have called for one set of regulations and not two,” says Jack Semple, director of policy at the Road Haulage Association. “It’s a bad law. The drivers’ hours rules take precedence over the WTD.”
from 7 years ago
Still no prosecutions under working time regs for hauliers
21 April 2011
Six years after the introduction of the working time regulations and still no transport company has been prosecuted for breaches of the regulations.In the latest available results, VOSA says it carried out 565 visits to operators’ premises in the third quarter of 2010, resulting in advice being given to 79 operators. No improvement notices were issued, which is the next stage if advice is ignored. “We have not prosecuted anyone under the regulations, preferring to prosecute for drivers’ hours offences where found,” says a VOSA spokesman.
The Road Transport (Working Time) Regulations came into force in April 2005 as part of the Working Time Directive (WTD), which applies to all industry sectors, and limit average working time to 48 hours a week. They also require records to be kept for two years.
“There was no need for it and we have called for one set of regulations and not two,” says Jack Semple, director of policy at the Road Haulage Association. “It’s a bad law. The drivers’ hours rules take precedence over the WTD.”
Says it all right there.
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DickyNick:
When you say your already 44 hours over, what do you mean? What’s your current average?48 hours, plus 44 (or 52 if bank holiday counts) in 11 weeks. Average would be around 52 hours a week. That said I’ve had a weeks holiday and 1 bank holiday which can be deducted?
No. The week holiday counts as 48hrs work, the bank holiday counts as 8hrs work.
“There was no need for it and we have called for one set of regulations and not two,” says Jack Semple, director of policy at the Road Haulage Association. “It’s a bad law. The drivers’ hours rules take precedence over the WTD.”
Yes there was a need for it, it is ridiculous in the 21st Century that you have people working 60hrs or more a week. I bet the RHA prefer drivers hours rules to take precendence over the WTD as it means their members can work their slaves up to 15hrs a day without having to have a single minute’s break and up to 84hrs a week. Even the Victorians didn’t think that was reasonable for employers to do.
Conor:
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DickyNick:
When you say your already 44 hours over, what do you mean? What’s your current average?48 hours, plus 44 (or 52 if bank holiday counts) in 11 weeks. Average would be around 52 hours a week. That said I’ve had a weeks holiday and 1 bank holiday which can be deducted?
No. The week holiday counts as 48hrs work, the bank holiday counts as 8hrs work.
If one day = 8 hours
Why is five days (8+8+8+8+8=40 hours) 48 hours
Surely on a 5 day week 1 day for the purpose of holidays/bank holidays should be 1/5 of 48 hours or 8.6 hours or 8 hours 36 minutes.
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If one day = 8 hoursWhy is five days (8+8+8+8+8=40 hours) 48 hours
Surely on a 5 day week 1 day for the purpose of holidays/bank holidays should be 1/5 of 48 hours or 8.6 hours or 8 hours 36 minutes.
Maybe it should but it’s doesn’t.
A full weeks leave (Monday to Sunday) counts as 48 hours for the RT(WT)R.
Anything less than a full week Monday to Sunday counts as 8 hours for each day.
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