Thought that was your next career move?
Can’t beat them join um 
come and join the tangs my man…overspeeds will be a thing of the past so long as they still make magnets and wires…(not forgetting those wee flipflop electronic remote control doodahs) apparantly they dont work…
dieseldog999:
come and join the tangs my man…overspeeds will be a thing of the past so long as they still make magnets and wires…(not forgetting those wee flipflop electronic remote control doodahs) apparantly they dont work…
Is that an old Volvo Dog?
Going on dog no wonder your stuck in the 1980s.
Bet vosa say whats this?
And let you on your merry way
Fair play
lets not make it too easy.
this was on the good part going past the old dunragit bridge,big wide road,so no contest,but it was well off the clock going down the hills past the vosa station which we incorrectly still class as castle kennedy…on principal i like to keep er lit at that point(so long as the big cars have been spotted and accounted for elsewhere…so…overspeeds■■?..pah
dieseldog999:
lets not make it too easy.
this was on the good part going past the old dunragit bridge,big wide road,so no contest,but it was well off the clock going down the hills past the vosa station which we incorrectly still class as castle kennedy…on principal i like to keep er lit at that point(so long as the big cars have been spotted and accounted for elsewhere…so…overspeeds■■?..pah
Hat off to you dieseldog999, past the vosa station 
well i knew it was shut at the time well before i got there,but theres pride and principal involved here…same as those pishy wee advisory thingys that light up green going through the villages and into stranraer/cairnryan…green for 30 and under and flashing red if above…on principal il never go through them on green even if im in a queue…i like to see at least 38 even if its only for 50 yards. 
dieseldog999:
well i knew it was shut at the time well before i got there,but theres pride and principal involved here…same as those pishy wee advisory thingys that light up green going through the villages and into stranraer/cairnryan…green for 30 and under and flashing red if above…on principal il never go through them on green even if im in a queue…i like to see at least 38 even if its only for 50 yards.
Hell yeah
robroy:
simcor:
Companies have to be seen to be compliant though by DVSA by having proof they take action as a responsible employer. Balderdash with some firms I agree. But they have to show they take it seriously. Whether we like it or not it will only get worse.Ok, but my point was how will a driver (or all of their drivers for that matter) doing 53 mph affect their ‘O’ licence.
The legal limit is 60mph, and the set limit for a limiter is 56, so why would DVSA be even mildly interested in this case of the reason Beav got reprimanded.
Rob the vehicles are limited by law to the limiter speed. Simple as that, going over that set speed should not be done. They have to show they take it seriously for the eventualities we have seen recently with poor driving let alone speed being a factor. When bad accidents happen then things like over speeds will be looked into. If everyone in a company is over speeding regularly and a lot and infringements etc. Then things like o licence curtailment are a possibility.
Whether you agree or not makes no difference to me, but when DVSA do an audit they look into everything and enough concerns and they are likely to take action.
Hi,
Basically this is a spur of the moment reaction, without considering the longer term implications.
Discuss it with the agency first, put your point of view, see what they say.
eagerbeaver:
Been limping over the last few weeks and today I did a shift for Culina, Port Salford. I actually did a shift for them on Saturday and some of the load went over and I was asked to return it to the depot.Went back in yesterday and did 3 drops in the North East with no issues whatsoever. They asked me to come back in this morning (0700 start) which I did, 2 drops- Preston and Bolton. Set off for Preston and I was just approaching the drop (James Hall) when my personal phone rang, so I pulled into the services next door. It was my agency who said that Culina had rang them and noticed from the telematics that I had ’ speeded ’ on a number of occasions yesterday. As a result of a partially shot load on the Saturday and these ’ speeding ’ reports from yesterday’s telematics, they wanted me to do a ’ driving assessment ’ next week for them
I asked the agency lad if it would be paid (not that I would demean myself by doing one anyway
), and he replied " No "
So I explained that he should contact Culina and tell them that only slaves and prisoners should work for free. I then bought a paper, turned the wagon around, and drove it straight back down the motorway and parked it outside the security hut.
I handed the truck keys to the security lad and got in my car and came home for a nice cup of tea. So, what would you lot have done?
Exactly the same. Respect.
I’m with you 100% on this one beaver.
The speed limit is 60 mph so there was never overspeeding. Telematics can never tell if some idiot took a corner or speed bump too hard but office decide 54 mph on a DC an issue. Total boleeks .
You report to them that the load can no longer be secured properly with the supplied equipment after one of the drops and they instruct you to continue anyway showing complete disregard for the law and the customers goods and now they want to assess you!!! Unbelievable !!!
However if they were professional enough to phone me directly to chat about their concerns and hear my side of the story before rushing to judgement that I need an assessment then I would probably have finished the shift for them.
But they were too aloof to lower themselves to talking to me so just called the agency instead. They are unprofessional, incompetent and well out of order.
I think you were very polite to promptly return their equipment to where you got it under the circumstances.
But to answer your question I would like to think I had the cojones at the time take the truck back too.
Very well done amigo.
robroy:
simcor:
Companies have to be seen to be compliant though by DVSA by having proof they take action as a responsible employer. Balderdash with some firms I agree. But they have to show they take it seriously. Whether we like it or not it will only get worse.Ok, but my point was how will a driver (or all of their drivers for that matter) doing 53 mph affect their ‘O’ licence.
The legal limit is 60mph, and the set limit for a limiter is 56, so why would DVSA be even mildly interested in this case of the reason Beav got reprimanded.
EU law and the Construction and Use regulations both say 90kph/56mph so if DVSA find on an inspection, be it road side or at the office, vehicles are regularly being driven over that, even if it is just on the downhills, it could result in issues for the operator. Besides, its their vehicle, if they decide that exceeding 50 mph isn’t the way they want their vehicle driven, they have a right to set that restriction and insist that anyone taking their coin obeys the rules.
dieseldog999:
if they had strapped it and loaded it right it would never have moved,and overspeeds count for nothing .nothing for o licence operators or vosa for the driver.its only the fannys in the office to bleat on about to smack your wrists…good man anyway.no loss as far as work goes.
dd999, its not their job to strap it right, its Eagerbeavers job to ensure its strapped right. If he can’t strap it properly its his job to refuse to take it out on public roads. He has already explained it was a curtain sider job so he could easily have found out about the problem by opening the sides and looking, not cracking on because he is on a day rate and the sooner he gets it done, the sooner he can bugger off home to Mrs Eagerbeaver and dinner outside of the dog.
If it had gone wrong bigstyle and the load had spilled on the road, it would be Eagerbeaver who would be prosecuted for, and likely found gulty for, driving offences, Culina would just be investigated and likely not prosecuted by the HSE.
Hurryup&wait:
However if they were professional enough to phone me directly to chat about their concerns and hear my side of the story before rushing to judgement that I need an assessment then I would probably have finished the shift for them.But they were too aloof to lower themselves to talking to me so just called the agency instead. They are unprofessional, incompetent and well out of order.
Again, Culina did the right thing. Absent a multi day confirmed asignment, Culina had no authority or right to talk to Eagerbeaver about work on a future date. After all, Culina could be arranging the driving assessment for a day EB had already booked off, or a day the agency planned to supply him to Fowler Welch instead. Culina’s agreement is with the agency and its with the agency they should discuss these things. Then the agency staff should liase with EB to find out if A) he wanted to do the assessment, he was always free to refuse and just not go back to Culina, or B) not both EB with the issue and just never send him there again.
nightline:
Now if they were treating you bad or truck was scrap then yes
Could you not have completed the day and when you got back you could have then thrown your dody out of the pram
My thoughts exactly, however:
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If they were treating me bad, I would have made a complaint to the agency about their customers behaviour, and told them that I will not take that sort of crap from anyone. You expect respect, then give it back.
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If the truck was scrap, then it wouldn’t have left the yard. It may be your O licence, but it is also my driving licence. (Done it before. Not taking a truck out that was dodgy.)
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I would have done the days work, and then refused a freebie driving assesment and if the agency don’t/won’t pay me for the days work, a day in the small claims court would have resulted.
And finally. When does 53mph constitute an overspeed? The law is 60mph on motorways. It is a very contentious subject is overspeed, period.
Ken.
nsmith1180:
robroy:
simcor:
Companies have to be seen to be compliant though by DVSA by having proof they take action as a responsible employer. Balderdash with some firms I agree. But they have to show they take it seriously. Whether we like it or not it will only get worse.Ok, but my point was how will a driver (or all of their drivers for that matter) doing 53 mph affect their ‘O’ licence.
The legal limit is 60mph, and the set limit for a limiter is 56, so why would DVSA be even mildly interested in this case of the reason Beav got reprimanded.EU law and the Construction and Use regulations both say 90kph/56mph so if DVSA find on an inspection, be it road side or at the office, vehicles are regularly being driven over that, even if it is just on the downhills, it could result in issues for the operator. Besides, its their vehicle, if they decide that exceeding 50 mph isn’t the way they want their vehicle driven, they have a right to set that restriction and insist that anyone taking their coin obeys the rules.
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So basically you are reiterating what I said…ie
Anything over the legal limit, could be a concern for DVSA in terms of an ‘O’ licence.
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Anything over the limit the individual co sets, which is well under 56 …is not.
That was exactly my point to Simcor.
robroy:
simcor:
Companies have to be seen to be compliant though by DVSA by having proof they take action as a responsible employer. Balderdash with some firms I agree. But they have to show they take it seriously. Whether we like it or not it will only get worse.Ok, but my point was how will a driver (or all of their drivers for that matter) doing 53 mph affect their ‘O’ licence.
The legal limit is 60mph, and the set limit for a limiter is 56, so why would DVSA be even mildly interested in this case of the reason Beav got reprimanded.
Rob you and I are both jaded and world weary enough to know that the 53 mph thing is total ■■■■■■■■. It doesn’t mean that Culina are a bad Co by a long shot, it merely means that they’ve swallowed all this “compliance” crap that is perpetuated by all these pointy shoe wearing non job holders! Basically they’ve employed somebody on an artificially inflated wage who’s only job is to monitor compliance. He/she is smart enough to realise that if he/she doesn’t produce a paper trail of his/her achievements then the Co might start asking why they are employed. A vanity position basically.
As for The Beaver he differs from me in as much as I prefer to smile whilst sticking a stiletto into the companies ribs whereas he goes for the pool cue to the teeth method! Whatever, at least he possesses cojones and a spine.
robroy:
So basically you are reiterating what I said…ieAnything over the legal limit, could be a concern for DVSA in terms of an ‘O’ licence.
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Anything over the limit the individual co sets, which is well under 56 …is not.
That was exactly my point to Simcor.
No one knows what the terms of their O-licence are. Maybe they have agreed a voluntary undertaking to restrict their vehicles to 53mph. Maybe its a clause in their insurance. Maybe its Mr Culina on a powertrip. Whichever it is, it doesn’t matter. Its their vehicle, drivers should drive it in the way they are instructed by the owner provided that instruction doesn’t break the law.
It really is quite simple, if you think you know better than the bosses, put your money where your mouth is and put your own on the road. If you ain’t willing to do that, shut up, drive as you are told and make sure you tick all the boxes before you pull away because while they are paying the bills its their call, not yours.
the maoster:
As for The Beaver he differs from me in as much as I prefer to smile whilst sticking a stiletto into the companies ribs whereas he goes for the pool cue to the teeth method! Whatever, at least he possesses cojones and a spine.
No he doesn’t, if he had cojones and a spine he would have stood and argued his case rather than the passive aggressive hissyfit of dumping the wagon at the gate and going home.
Was he wrong to take the original load. Yes.
Does he have anyone else to blame. No.
Was he right to refuse to finish the run he was on. No.
Was he right to refuse to do an unpaid assessment. Hell Yes.
The assessment is the only thing about this whole situation that EagerBeaver did right. Everything else is just a catalogue of why he should be ushered out of the industry as fast as humanly possible. Its drivers like Beaver that give the rest of us a bad name.
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Unfortunately nearly every industry is the same, so not sure what beavers next career move may be… It seems that most jobs now entail following some bullcrap from somewhere, even beig self employed is full of the same crap, couple of mates are self employed builders and the crap that some customers come up with is mind boggling… was taking truck back a good idea? I wouldn’t, would have finished shift and took it up face to face with transport office on return. Imho it will just give culina and other employers to recruit from abroad. Right or wrong…
We all have different ways of dealing with issues at work.
Some stick to the rules are polite and try their best to be a good employee. That does not mean the company walk all over them. Give and take with a decent company and a decent driver works wonders.
Then you have the companies that just use drivers and unfortunately some drivers work for them.
In this situation best to find another job.
Then we have the stroppy aggressive driver who does not like to be told what to do and eventually he or she leaves or the company find a way to push them out.
Companies and drivers who break the rules and regs put lives at risk and neither deserve to be on the road in my book.