Make sure you check your contracts with both companies.
My company don’t allow me to work for another company without written permission.
And someone will always grass you up!!
ROG:
kr79:
Christ almighty if you get a pull off vosa just keep your cake hole shut about the supermarket gig. Unless your wearing your supermarket uniform in the tipper how will they know.If stopped by VOSA and the only records are for 1 or 2 days and only on weekends for example do you think they will accept that the driver does nowt for the rest of the week ?
As i said earlier in this thread, i cant see a problem with carrying a few timesheets around with you for the previous 4 weeks work.
It should seem imediately apparent that the OP is’nt working 23 hours a day or driving 80 hrs a week FFS! 
I tell ya, no wonder this ■■■■ hole country is in such a ■■■■■■ state with all the buracratic B.S and red tape. It boils my ■■■■.
any work should be recorded. within drivers regs, driving, outwith driving regs, other work! not recording your activities is an offence so it is up to you whether you take the risk or not
I expect she’s got bored now and gone to work.
GasGas:
I expect she’s got bored now and gone to work.
Or with 2 jobs, she doesn’t have he time to post 
Thanks guys some really in depth usefull advice Cant wait to start on the tipper now!
As for working 2 jobs its only until i have enough hours to be able to give up the supermarket job, lorries is where my heart is lol.
Trucker-Lass22:
As for working 2 jobs its only until i have enough hours to be able to give up the supermarket job, lorries is where my heart is lol.
Do you have the option in the supermarket job to reduce those hours as the tipper hours go up ■■?
If stopped by VOSA and the only records are for 1 or 2 days and only on weekends for example do you think they will accept that the driver does nowt for the rest of the week ?
there are weeks when i only work 1 or 2 days ■■ depends on availability of work. some weeks i may work 6 days. if vosa dont believe me they can check with my employer. its not the best of situations to be in but it balances it out. im quite happy ,i`m fed and watered,got a roof over my head and clothes on my back and a social life 
dew:
Easy, the other line of work is for a supermarket, just tell them if asked your shelf stacking or some other in store job, no driving involved. As long as the payslips don’t say “Driver” on them then there’s no real way they can track it back, nor would they bother.
.
Oh dear. Another person who needs to go do a DCPC… Non-Driving work counts as “Other Work” for the purposes of the EU Drivers Hours Regs and if VOSA suspect you had another non driving job and were not taking sufficient weekly rests they sure as hell would investigate it.
merc0447:
Maybe its been a while since you’ve had a full roadside check rog but the only things vosa ask you is what time you started, where you started, where your heading and what your cargo is. Then they take your charts into the porta cabin and scan them. They dont ask you what you do in your spare time. They are just wheel tappers. No way on this earth could they get access to confidential inland revenue records at the roadside maybe in a full blown company investigation they could.
And then they have roadside checks where they’ll have a few agencies there including DWP.
Saaamon:
Cheers lol. I’m of the keep quiet opinion, although its not the most “professional” route it is the easiest lol.
Its not even “not the most professional route”. It is outright illegal and running bent.
Conor:
Saaamon:
Cheers lol. I’m of the keep quiet opinion, although its not the most “professional” route it is the easiest lol.Its not even “not the most professional route”. It is outright illegal and running bent.
How exactly? To be running bent you’ve got to be exceeding drivers hours. Carrying enough paper to coat the M25 around is just wasting everybodies time.
dew:
Conor:
Saaamon:
Cheers lol. I’m of the keep quiet opinion, although its not the most “professional” route it is the easiest lol.Its not even “not the most professional route”. It is outright illegal and running bent.
How exactly? To be running bent you’ve got to be exceeding drivers hours. Carrying enough paper to coat the M25 around is just wasting everybodies time.
Dont need to carry a lot of paper around just a diary with all your work times in simple as that
Or you could do yourself a folder with daily time sheet’s not rocket science & not taking up that much room to keep you legal & stop you getting a fine much cheaper dont you think
animal:
dew:
Conor:
Saaamon:
Cheers lol. I’m of the keep quiet opinion, although its not the most “professional” route it is the easiest lol.Its not even “not the most professional route”. It is outright illegal and running bent.
How exactly? To be running bent you’ve got to be exceeding drivers hours. Carrying enough paper to coat the M25 around is just wasting everybodies time.
Dont need to carry a lot of paper around just a diary with all your work times in simple as that
Or you could do yourself a folder with daily time sheet’s not rocket science & not taking up that much room to keep you legal & stop you getting a fine much cheaper dont you think
Apart from to the letter of the law it wouldn’t be legal 
The only legal records are analogue tacho chart, digi printout or entered into a digi tacho via manual entry. Oh … you can also use a legally required domestic hours log book - but it has to be legally required and van driving wouldn’t need a log book.
Of course any VOSA guy with a decent approach will be happy with a diary or time sheets.
Van driving you should keep records as they come under Domestic driving Hours
We did have daily time sheets & when I asked about it to VOSA ( ok a few year back when I was driving vans they were fine with that & the diary )
animal:
Van driving you should keep records as they come under Domestic driving HoursWe did have daily time sheets & when I asked about it to VOSA ( ok a few year back when I was driving vans they were fine with that & the diary )
A vehicle exempt from operator licensing is exempt from record keeping for domestic rules (GV262-03 page 27) - therefore a 3.5t van is exempt. A bin wagon on door to door would be exempt tacho but would require a log book.
Of course - if you drive the 3.5t van then get in a tacho wagon - records are required for the work done.
dew:
Conor:
Its not even “not the most professional route”. It is outright illegal and running bent.How exactly? To be running bent you’ve got to be exceeding drivers hours.
And if you’re doing a non-driving job as well and not getting sufficient weekly rest between the two or compensating for reduced rest as required then you’re running bent.
dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/R … Europe.pdf
in this booklet is an example of drivers log sheet (click on record keeping and is on page 49 )
I spoke to someone at vosa when starting out hgv driving and he said if I filled this in with non hgv as other work and put in any hours hgv driving that would be ok to produce if stopped
As long as my rest is in scope I dont have to worry , log self employed work as other work eg mon hrs 9-5 dont have to specifiy,
then say tues do 9-5 hgv just put in on tacho with my start and finish times , carry 4 of these sheets with me when driving hgv in case stopped , so have a months worth of records to show vosa , if dont do any hgv scope driving then just write across the week no hgv driving dont even bother to fill in , as dont need records for that week ,
I always make sure that my rest is in scope ie 45 hrs every two weeks and if reducing always keep to the law on rest
hope this helps
Carrying a record of van driving hours is at some point going to get you into trouble if you forget how many hours you’ve done then get pulled over your going to get a fine for the sake of doing abit of extra driving in a van ffs. If they stop you and ask what your doing apart from tipper driving just say nothing, your partner is on good money or you live at your parents etc.
Conor:
Saaamon:
Cheers lol. I’m of the keep quiet opinion, although its not the most “professional” route it is the easiest lol.Its not even “not the most professional route”. It is outright illegal and running bent.
That made me laugh lol!
Saaamon:
Carrying a record of van driving hours is at some point going to get you into trouble if you forget how many hours you’ve done then get pulled over your going to get a fine for the sake of doing abit of extra driving in a van ffs. If they stop you and ask what your doing apart from tipper driving just say nothing, your partner is on good money or you live at your parents etc.Conor:
Saaamon:
Cheers lol. I’m of the keep quiet opinion, although its not the most “professional” route it is the easiest lol.Its not even “not the most professional route”. It is outright illegal and running bent.
That made me laugh lol!
A record of van driving hours does not need to be carried - only a record of ‘X’ hours work (i.e. 8:00 - 16:00 OTHER WORK no mention of driving). The driving of the van does not count towards driving hours under EU regs. The OP could drive the 3.5t van for 10 hours non stop on Monday, then drive the tipper for 10 hours on Tuesday. By the end of the Tuesday shift she would only have done a total of 10 hours driving so far that week. The van driving is work - not driving.
If the OP took your advice and didn’t tell VOSA the truth as you have suggested (Just say nothing) she could find herself in far deeper water than she would be for a few hours over a driving limit. Falsification of records springs to mind.
The thing about this whole thread is that the OP has nothing to hide. On the supermarket days fill in an analogue chart and carry it in the tipper (or do it all on the digi via manual entry). If stopped it is all above board. No need to mention the 3.5t van even - just “I work at a supermarket, here are my legally required records of other work”. Even if they then asked if the OP drives a van during the supermarket work - it matters not because driving the van is not driving under EU Regs!
The only really complicated bit is if van driving and tipper driving take place in the same shift - then the driving of the van does matter because domestic limits must be obeyed.
The domestic hours and EU hours really do not play well together