Hi all,
Just a quick question on the 48h average rule. In previous employment there was always somebody in the office keeping a check on drivers hours making sure nobody went over the 48h average and your figures were always readily accessible.
Company I am at now doesn’t make my figures easily accessible and when I asked for them I got a lot of resistance and have been told its the drivers responsibility to keep track. I’m pretty sure this is not correct but would like some conformation.
It might well be a good idea for a driver to keep his or her own check on their working time, but it is NOT incumbent upon them. It is the responsibility of the traffic office or more specifically the buck stops with the traffic manager/ O licence holder.
the maoster:
It might well be a good idea for a driver to keep his or her own check on their working time, but it is NOT incumbent upon them. It is the responsibility of the traffic office or more specifically the buck stops with the traffic manager/ O licence holder.
Thanks, that’s pretty much what I thought. Is there any documentation, I assume in the o licence cpc, that I can refer to if they try to argue against this?
Do DVSA have any sanctions for WTD breaches because they were not there before 
WTD for the driver is done by the admin computers when the card is downloaded - most drivers do not have that facility
ROG:
- most drivers do not have that facility
It’s quite straightforward if you keep a diary Rog. I never use POA so anything that is not break during my day is working time. If I for example do a 13 hour day and then park up for the night I simply request the tacho to display my day, if I’ve had 3 hours and 50 minutes for example on break throughout the day I merely subtract that from my 13 hours and write down 9 hours and 10 minutes working time for the day.
C’mon, how many of you are now checking my maths? 
the maoster:
ROG:
- most drivers do not have that facility
It’s quite straightforward if you keep a diary Rog. I never use POA so anything that is not break during my day is working time. If I for example do a 13 hour day and then park up for the night I simply request the tacho to display my day, if I’ve had 3 hours and 50 minutes for example on break throughout the day I merely subtract that from my 13 hours and write down 9 hours and 10 minutes working time for the day.
C’mon, how many of you are now checking my maths?
Yes, pretty straightforward to work out working time for a day, but then to add up a week, then work out an average for a 17 or 26 rolling reference period is a bit more challenging, but still doable.
However to expect thousands of drivers to do this and not make any mistakes? Completely unreasonable I would say, especially when guy in office can use the software and get 100% accurate figures for all company drivers in around 30secs.
What are the consequences if a company ignore the 48h rule and have multiple drivers breaking it consistently?
Dave73-UK:
the maoster:
It might well be a good idea for a driver to keep his or her own check on their working time, but it is NOT incumbent upon them. It is the responsibility of the traffic office or more specifically the buck stops with the traffic manager/ O licence holder.Thanks, that’s pretty much what I thought. Is there any documentation, I assume in the o licence cpc, that I can refer to if they try to argue against this?
Zac_A:
Dave73-UK:
the maoster:
It might well be a good idea for a driver to keep his or her own check on their working time, but it is NOT incumbent upon them. It is the responsibility of the traffic office or more specifically the buck stops with the traffic manager/ O licence holder.Thanks, that’s pretty much what I thought. Is there any documentation, I assume in the o licence cpc, that I can refer to if they try to argue against this?
So I just say refer to Article 9b of Directive 2002/15/EC ?
Dave73-UK:
Hi all,
Just a quick question on the 48h average rule. In previous employment there was always somebody in the office keeping a check on drivers hours making sure nobody went over the 48h average and your figures were always readily accessible.
Company I am at now doesn’t make my figures easily accessible and when I asked for them I got a lot of resistance and have been told its the drivers responsibility to keep track. I’m pretty sure this is not correct but would like some conformation.
Believe it or not but theres an app for that
Search for "Trucker timer "- not sure of cost (I downloaded it years ago ) once you get it set up and runnig reasonably well it will do all this for you.
I’ve just screenshotted this from my phone to give you an idea
There is a bit more to it as a single day of holiday counts as 8 hours work and if a full week is taken (Monday to Sunday), it counts as 48 hours work or something like that. Also, a certain number of days holiday can be nullified in the reference period if you are taking over the statutory I think. Kind of hard to keep track of if you don’t have an app such as Tachomaster which gives a running total and an average.
The real max hours fanatics work it all out down to the last minute making sure never to take a full week of holiday and get it on POA whenever possible to get as many sixty-five hour weeks in as possible while still averaging 47.999 hours.
beefy4605:
Believe it or not but theres an app for that
Search for "Trucker timer "- not sure of cost (I downloaded it years ago ) once you get it set up and runnig reasonably well it will do all this for you.
I’ve just screenshotted this from my phone to give you an idea
Am I right in thinking that the app is not automatic, you have to press a button every time you change mode (eg other work to driving) like having a second (non automatic) tacho?
stu675:
beefy4605:
Believe it or not but theres an app for that
Search for "Trucker timer "- not sure of cost (I downloaded it years ago ) once you get it set up and runnig reasonably well it will do all this for you.
I’ve just screenshotted this from my phone to give you an ideaAm I right in thinking that the app is not automatic, you have to press a button every time you change mode (eg other work to driving) like having a second (non automatic) tacho?
You can do it that way if you wish or you can set it up to integrate with the GPS in your phone - it works well when you get it set up properly but it won’t be 100% accurate - crawling in traffic can catch it out but its usually within 15 minutes at the end of the day when compared to the tacho . I use it for keeping a record of start and finish times (as we are paid by the hour now ) and its easy to pull up the times off the tacho to compare driving times . Is it 100 % accurate to the second - no but as a guide / start point , for someone wanting to get on top of tacho rules and regs and keep an eye on WTD its a great place to start .
Great thanks, better than I thought. [emoji106]