Would someone please enlighten me to see if I have this right.
My boss has told me that time spent in the warehouse as a spare driver counts towards the overall hours which include my driving hours. This has come to light as I did some work ages ago for an agency as I thought that I had a day to spare. Being in the warehouse unloading trunkers shouldn’t count towards driving hours. Or am I wrong.
Example
Day1 Normal day - work 8 hours with 5 hours driving
Day2 - same
Day3 - Same
Day4 - Spare driver (warehouse)
Day5 - Normal day
Day6 - Normal day
day7 - Agency
We do a 6 week rosta with 6on 2 off for 4 weeks and 5 on 3 off for 2 weeks.
Time spent in the warehouse is OTHER WORK and not DRIVING time.
If you come under EU driver regs in any fixed week (Mon 0000 to Sun 2400) then all the OTHER WORK done in that fixed week must be recorded.
The way to record that OTHER WORK is to either input it into a digi tacho or (the easiest way IMO) is to fill in a seperate tacho card for each day you did that OTHER WORK.
The info required will be your name. date, start & finish time on each card.
On days where you come under EU regs (drive), all the DRIVING & OTHER WORK for that day must be on the one tacho card if possible.
The OTHER WORK, if card is not in the truck, must be put on the back of the card.
EXAMPLE -
Work in warehouse from 7 to 9
insert card - Drive truck from 9 to 11 - remove card if necessary
Work in warehouse from 11 to 1230
Break from 1230 to 130
In this example the OTHER WORK from 7 to 9 must be manually put onto the back of the tacho before inserting the card into the truck
The OTHER WORK & BREAK (plus everything else done that day) must also be manually put on the back of the same card.
If digi tacho in truck and you do not have the opportunity to do a manual input for the whole day then a combination of digi and card may be used
I’ve tried to explain as best I can but I’m not a site tacho GURU
I expect coffeeholic or tachograph will see this and correct me if I am wrong
I did, the patern was weird as even though you had the Mon-Sun syndrome Warburtons works on a different patern. It used to be a 6on 2off for 4 weeks and then 5on 3off for 2 weeks. Made the 6 days a hell of a hard tome as the last 2 days felt like an eternity. Got a spread sheet on how it all works.
Paul-H:
Would someone please enlighten me to see if I have this right.
My boss has told me that time spent in the warehouse as a spare driver counts towards the overall hours which include my driving hours. This has come to light as I did some work ages ago for an agency as I thought that I had a day to spare. Being in the warehouse unloading trunkers shouldn’t count towards driving hours. Or am I wrong.
Example
Day1 Normal day - work 8 hours with 5 hours driving
Day2 - same
Day3 - Same
Day4 - Spare driver (warehouse)
Day5 - Normal day
Day6 - Normal day
day7 - Agency
We do a 6 week rosta with 6on 2 off for 4 weeks and 5 on 3 off for 2 weeks.
can i ask you about your weekly rest as i can not see that in your example
if you do 6 8 hour days in four consecutive weeks you mite not be getting you weekly rest that is required
you must have
In any two consecutive weeks a driver shall take at least:
– two regular weekly rest periods, or
– one regular weekly rest period and one reduced weekly
rest period of at least 24 hours. However, the reduction
shall be compensated by an equivalent period of rest
taken en bloc before the end of the third week following
the week in question.
‘weekly rest period’ means the weekly period during
which a driver may freely dispose of his time and covers
a ‘regular weekly rest period’ and a ‘reduced weekly rest
period’:
– ‘regular weekly rest period’ means any period of rest
of at least 45 hours,
– ‘reduced weekly rest period’ means any period of
rest of less than 45 hours, which may, subject to the
conditions laid down in Article 8(6), be shortened
to a minimum of 24 consecutive hours;
Day1 Normal day - work 8 hours with 5 hours driving
Day2 - same
Day3 - Same
Day4 - Spare driver (warehouse)
Day5 - Normal day
Day6 - Normal day
day7 - Agency
As day 1 and day 7 are both EU reg days, I was wondering that as well because all the other days would need to be recorded which would not show a weekly rest after 6 X 24 hour periods
Ah well thats the Warburtons thing, some boys are doing a daily 10-12 hour day with about 90% of it being driving. Few are doing more, don’t ask me how Warburtons gets away with it but there must be something going on. I was on a few routes that finished on average by 11is each day, some didn’t so hence my reluctance to wrk for them any more. I do keep a spreadsheet of all my driving hours and it makes interesting reading.
Paul-H:
Day1 Normal day - work 8 hours with 5 hours driving
Day2 - same
Day3 - Same
Day4 - Spare driver (warehouse)
Day5 - Normal day
Day6 - Normal day
day7 - Agency
Based on the info given, although start time day one and finish time day 7 would make things clearer, you are going to have trouble squeezing a weekly rest into the required time frame. Doing that in consecutive weeks would make it even more difficult with the requirement to have at least one full rest period in any two weeks.
You say you work about 8 hours a day and are finished about 11:00. This gives a start time of 03:00 Monday and means you must have commenced a weekly rest period by latest 03:00 Sunday, Day 7 in your example. Finished 11:00 Day 6 (Saturday) followed by 9 hours daily rest means you could start the agency shift at 20:00 but would have to be finished by 03:00, working beyond that or starting work after 03:00 on the Sunday would not be legal.
This what the work schedule looks like, on my days off if I had the available time I’d do some agency work. The basic time was Start @ 4am supossed finish 12:30pm. Sometimes you can finish a bit early but by the time you get unloaded do the paperwork, get debriefed it usually makes the end time about midday. Sundays can be easy as there are not so many drops involved, could be home by 10 -11am.
Week1
Monday Off
Tuesday Off
Wednesday
Thursday
Friday
Saturday
Sunday
Week2
Monday
Tuesday Off
Wednesday Off
Thursday
Friday
Saturday
Sunday
Week3
Monday
Tuesday
Wednesday Off
Thursday Off
Friday
Saturday
Sunday
Week4
Monday
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday Off
Friday Off
Saturday
Sunday
Week5
Monday
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday
Friday Off
Saturday Off
Sunday Off
Week6
Monday
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday
Friday
Saturday Off
Sunday Off
Week7
Monday Off
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday
Friday
Saturday
Sunday
Have to admit that it was not all the time, do need my beauty sleep. Sometimes I just couldn’t resist another day out. All legal and above board of course.
This is where my exIT background comes in very handy. Have a little program and spreadsheet that works out all the hours and tells me if and when I could do an agency shift, but that’s in the past right now. We’ll have to see what happens after my 2 days ‘rest’ if Warburtons decides to honour my request and do a ‘pay in lieu’ or make me work my notice.
delboytwo:
would that be difficult to do in week 5 and 6
would it not be just week 5 cos of his start time been in week 4 @4 am on Saturday he must have is weekly rest by 4 am Friday of week 5
He is starting a weekly rest about 11:00 on the Thursday of week 5.
He could work Saturday or Sunday in week 5 quite easily. After finishing work about 11:00 Thursday he could even work Saturday after fitting in a full weekly rest if he didn’t start before 0800, although a full weekly rest isn’t required because week 4 had one. After working Saturday he could take the Sunday as another weekly rest and he could then work the following Saturday as well. If he worked only the Sunday in week 5 he wouldn’t be able to work the Saturday in week 6 but the Sunday would be no problem.
He could also work Friday and Saturday, or Friday and Sunday, in week 5 as long as he doesn’t start on Friday until 24 hours after he finished on Thursday and if doing Friday and Sunday there is at least 24 hours between finishing Friday and starting Sunday. Obviously any agency day he does immediately before a normal work day he would have to finish in time to fit a daily rest in.
