Time to update the FAQ section fro Driver’s House Regs. Might be useful. And a quick link can be placed in each offending topic. 
switchlogic:
As I see it at least they ask. The amount of experienced lorry drivers who think they know it all about drivers hours but can’t even get some of the basics right baffles me, not people asking for help.
We’re talking about a job where some blokes admit to pooing in their footwells and you’re baffled?!
Whats wrong with asking for help?
Think because the legislation is made out to be a lot more complicated that is it. Even doing the DCPC doing one on drivers hours is 7hours on it. When i was at college had a lecture all morning on programing lecture told us after an hour most peoples heads are frazzled and stop taking things in so was time to go for a ■■■ or a coffee come back will feel better and take more in.
Doing DCPC sitting for hours on end wishing it was time to go home, can see people drifting off.
Think with most drivers just need to keep it simple and what effects them.
ROG:
toby1234abc:
The Dcpc only covers basic tachograph rules.
For a first timer, using ferry mode can be confusing with the wording of it.
Using analogue tachos for seven days a week, even though six shifts is the maximum.
Three hour split breaks means nine off everyday.Are you assuming that the shift always starts at the same time each day?
What many fail to consider is a tramper who may utilise the max hours between weekly rests which often means starting shifts at different times each day and taking the minimum rest times between those shifts ending with 7, 8 or perhaps 9 shifts between two weekly rests
Indeed, I did three full shifts with 9 hour drivers in a shade over 48 hours this week
Radar19:
Whats wrong with asking for help?
Nothing wrong in asking for help, but surely it’s easier to type “hgv hours” into Google and go straight to government website where it’s all clearly explained than type several sentences on here and then have to wait for a series of different answers.
wing-nut:
Radar19:
Whats wrong with asking for help?Nothing wrong in asking for help, but surely it’s easier to type “hgv hours” into Google and go straight to government website where it’s all clearly explained than type several sentences on here and then have to wait for a series of different answers.
On which government website are the regulations clearly and comprehensively explained ?
tachograph:
On which government website are the regulations clearly and comprehensively explained ?
gov.uk/government/uploads/s … europe.pdf
It’s always told me everything I need to know and I think it explains it all quite clearly
wing-nut:
tachograph:
On which government website are the regulations clearly and comprehensively explained ?gov.uk/government/uploads/s … europe.pdf
It’s always told me everything I need to know and I think it explains it all quite clearly
I also think it’s quite a good guide, but some of the questions on this board seem to revolve around misunderstandings from that very booklet amongst other things.
How many people know what the NSL sign looks like let alone what it means ?..Ive been driving for 2 months now, I had to go back on the gov website to " refresh " my memory on WTD 6 hrs break.
But…To be honest , It takes a few mins for the brain to recall the answers,
I think that any question is a good one, It is a little sad that new drivers ask very very basic questions instead of google .
Maybe , They ask their question after a 12 or 15 shift and their brain is fried …Who knows …
tachograph:
I also think it’s quite a good guide, but some of the questions on this board seem to revolve around misunderstandings from that very booklet amongst other things.
Have to agree, it can all get very confusing. Don’t have a problem with people asking questions just that some, such as one earlier, asking if walk round checks contributed to driving time are a little too basic and I get the impression they don’t think before they post.
Some of the trash given out on my DCPC was terrible, the instructor told drivers they couldn’t have breaks at their steering wheels and even told of a driver that had been done for this 
She told them that reducing their daily rest was actually 3 times in a fortnight and this was effective from the date of the course because VOSA could see that they had done a “drivers hours” module and therefore would know this one driver even stated that he gets infringements for too many reductions and he never even reduces, I thought it was strange that he worked for us and never reduced so I asked him “so you never work over 13 hours then?” His reply was “yeah, most days, but I always have 11 hours off” 
I must admit I have asked for help on here and the questions I have asked may have seamed basic to those that knew the answers, but it’s good to get clarification if you’re not 100% especially if you have someone with more experience telling you something to make you doubt yourself.
wing-nut:
Radar19:
Whats wrong with asking for help?Nothing wrong in asking for help, but surely it’s easier to type “hgv hours” into Google and go straight to government website where it’s all clearly explained than type several sentences on here and then have to wait for a series of different answers.
Most of the time they only deal with “perfect” situations. Does that parallel park reverse on your test teach you everything there is about reversing? Of course it doesn’t so you ask for help when backing into tight spaces. Same goes for questions on driver hours, they are all unique to the driver in question and it can be a lot easier for said driver to understand if someone explains it to them with their situation in mind. That way there is no misinterpretation or getting the rules wrong.
Everyone learns in different ways, so different explanations (as long as they’re correct) of the same thing one of them will click. Lets face it trying to read the tacho regs is way better than counting sheep if you can’t get to sleep 
, unless you’re ROG or Connor
Darb:
one driver even stated that he gets infringements for too many reductions and he never even reduces, I thought it was strange that he worked for us and never reduced so I asked him “so you never work over 13 hours then?” His reply was “yeah, most days, but I always have 11 hours off”
Sorry if I’m being one of the idiots but I need this bit explaining to me, why is it a reduced rest if you work over 13 hours but still take a whole 11 hours daily rest? 
Les Shoes:
Sorry if I’m being one of the idiots but I need this bit explaining to me, why is it a reduced rest if you work over 13 hours but still take a whole 11 hours daily rest?
No you’re not being an idiot, it’s something quite a few get confused about.
You have to have 11 hours rest in a rolling 24 hour period, so 24hrs minus 13hrs work = 11 hours rest. Any more than 13 hours work and you wouldn’t be able to have the full 11 hours rest so it would be reduced.
We work now on a 24 hour clock, 0000hrs to 2400hrs. You do 13hrs that’s 11 hrs left to make up 24hrs. You do 14hrs that’s only 10hrs left to make 24hrs. Not enough break to make 11 hrs off. If you have lets say 15hrs break after working your 14hrs that would only still be recognised as a 9hr break. Over 13hrs work you can’t make 11hrs off. Under 13hrs you can. Clear as mud.
Coffeeholic:
People may not have done a module on the driver’s hours regulations as part of their 35 hours, there’s no requirement to do one.
Agree, but you would have thought that a driver should make him/herself aware the rules they have to abide by.
wing-nut:
Les Shoes:
Sorry if I’m being one of the idiots but I need this bit explaining to me, why is it a reduced rest if you work over 13 hours but still take a whole 11 hours daily rest?No you’re not being an idiot, it’s something quite a few get confused about.
You have to have 11 hours rest in a rolling 24 hour period, so 24hrs minus 13hrs work = 11 hours rest. Any more than 13 hours work and you wouldn’t be able to have the full 11 hours rest so it would be reduced.
cleanass:
We work now on a 24 hour clock, 0000hrs to 2400hrs. You do 13hrs that’s 11 hrs left to make up 24hrs. You do 14hrs that’s only 10hrs left to make 24hrs. Not enough break to make 11 hrs off. If you have lets say 15hrs break after working your 14hrs that would only still be recognised as a 9hr break. Over 13hrs work you can’t make 11hrs off. Under 13hrs you can. Clear as mud.
Clear as a bell, thank you chaps 
cleanass:
We work now on a 24 hour clock, 0000hrs to 2400hrs. You do 13hrs that’s 11 hrs left to make up 24hrs. You do 14hrs that’s only 10hrs left to make 24hrs. Not enough break to make 11 hrs off. If you have lets say 15hrs break after working your 14hrs that would only still be recognised as a 9hr break. Over 13hrs work you can’t make 11hrs off. Under 13hrs you can. Clear as mud.
No we do not
24 hours = yes but not a fixed midnight to midnight 24
It could be 24 hours from 0610 to 0610