repton:
Based on your made up “vehicle categories” something with a MGW of 6000kg is a “category C1 vehicle” so based on that logic how do you explain the fact that someone with a C licence but not C1 is still legally allow to drive it?
Thats easy to answer - A C licence is for any LGV vehicle over 3.5 tonnes so a Cat C1 vehicle at 6000kgs GVW fits into that C licence category
Another way of looking at it is that a driver with a C must have a C1 by default as C1 is a subcategory of C so in effect that 6000kgs vehicle is being driven by a driver with a C1
You’re just making it more complicated for no reason.
It’s much easier to forget the whole concept of a “C1 vehicle”, given it’s something you’ve just made up that nobody else uses, and just call it a “vehicle with an MGW of 6000kg” like everyone else does. Nobody talks about a “C1 truck”, they call it a “7.5ton truck”, nobody talks about a “category C truck”, they call it an “18 tonner” or “26 tonner”.
Then it is clear from the driving licence categories that the 6000kg MGW vehicle in my example can be driven by someone with C or C1 on their licence based on the MGW of the vehicle.
waddy640:
Whilst on the subject, why do I have a full D1E valid until 2020 and a provisional D1E valid until 2016?
Not a clue !!
I assume the full D1+E is on the photocard bit and the provisional is on the paper bit ■■
The full D1E … does that have code 101 next to it ?
101 & 119
TA - GOT IT
You have a restricted D1+E (not full) with a 101 and 119 code from passing your car test before 1997 and the expiry date on that will be the same as that of your car (at age 70)
The D1E provisional is added when you passed the DSA D1 minibus test and is subject to the same medical expiry date as your C and CE categories - If you did not pass the DSA D1 minbus test then I am at a loss to explain it
I passed my class D test so that is presumably the reason.
I have had a similar problem with my licence to the extent i have sent it back to DVLA to have the code removed as 4 companies i have applied for have turned me down because of Insurance purposes, as my licence stated i only had a c1e provisional entitlement with the 107 code, yet i have a full c+e licence ■■?
Grundril:
I have had a similar problem with my licence to the extent i have sent it back to DVLA to have the code removed as 4 companies i have applied for have turned me down because of Insurance purposes, as my licence stated i only had a c1e provisional entitlement with the 107 code, yet i have a full c+e licence ■■?
ODD !!
I have never seen a C1+E provisional with a 107 code !!
I got a class 3 in 1988 then got grandad rights in the early 90’s to C1+E with a 107 on it which only lets me drive lorry and drag.and thats all I have driven since then,never had a problem with it the few times it has been checked by the rozzers!!I.Please tell me i am entitled to drive up to 44 tons !! its got me worried now!!
Grundril:
I have had a similar problem with my licence to the extent i have sent it back to DVLA to have the code removed as 4 companies i have applied for have turned me down because of Insurance purposes, as my licence stated i only had a c1e provisional entitlement with the 107 code, yet i have a full c+e licence ■■?
ODD !!
I have never seen a C1+E provisional with a 107 code !!
Thats what I thought Rog, i spoke to dvla and they said just to send it back as its an oversight on there behalf, so i sent it back with a covering letter.
So i might see it sometime before next xmas i suppose
ROG:
If you passed the D test then you should have D+E and D1+E provisional on the paper part ?
I passed my C+E 24 years earlier so was entitled to a D+E.
Then you should not have any C or D provisionals on the paper part because you have ALL the C & D categories possible
Just another quirk of DVLA, like my licence and digi-card show I live in a village and my vehicles show that I live in a nearby town. Both sections of DVLA state that the information is correct because it comes from the Royal Mail website.
ROG:
But what would you call it in simple terms … 7.5 tonner ? … Cat C1 van … something else ■■?
6.5t van?
I would call it a “6.5t Merc Van”, or whatever it happened to be, as that is what it is.
I certainly wouldn’t call it a 7.5tonner, because it isn’t.
I wouldn’t call it a C1 van because very few people would know what I’m on about, and if they did it’s a very vague term as it could be anything from a big transit to a 30’ long 7500kg MGW truck.
Is it just me , but reading through all of these posts just brings it home to me how overly complicated things have gotten because its some pen pushers job somewhere to constantly tinker with rules and regs. To be honest I couldnt argue a point anymore regarding licence entitelment and that is surely a negative impact of over neccasary complication
oldsid:
Is it just me , but reading through all of these posts just brings it home to me how overly complicated things have gotten because its some pen pushers job somewhere to constantly tinker with rules and regs. To be honest I couldnt argue a point anymore regarding licence entitelment and that is surely a negative impact of over neccasary complication
That just about sums it up, dabbling for the sake of it and nothing useful achieved.
waddy640:
dabbling for the sake of it and nothing useful achieved.
To be fair one of the complications is due to the fact that car drivers don’t get C1 anymore which I would say was a positive step. Also the complications all seem to be for a valid reason, it’s just the amount of variables with weights and trailers that make it difficult sometimes.
waddy640:
dabbling for the sake of it and nothing useful achieved.
To be fair one of the complications is due to the fact that car drivers don’t get C1 anymore which I would say was a positive step. Also the complications all seem to be for a valid reason, it’s just the amount of variables with weights and trailers that make it difficult sometimes.
In 1978 I could drive a coach (53 Seats) full of non-farepaying passengers on a class B, as it is now, licence. Then the rules changed and as I had a class C licence I could still do that. The rules changed yet again and I then required a class D licence to do that. Then the coach became 30 years old and I can now drive it on a class B licence again if there are 8 or less non-farepaying passengers.
The point I am making is that the vehicle has not changed, other than to age, but the rules regarding who can drive it have changed and basically got nowhere.
