S80RTE:
I may be wrong here but I would imagine my C + E would not cover Me for C1+E >8250kgs due to the fact that Cat C is LGV > 7500kgs
C is >3500kg, so your C+E will cover you for a 7.5tonner with any trailer.
Paul
C1 is 3500kg to 7500kg, C is > 7500kg.
No it isn’t. C is >3500kg, as I said in the post you quoted. That’s why they’re called C1 and C, as one is a subcategory of the other, there is an overlap.
I also didn’t have D1 before passing my test, and it’s still not there, but D1E has appeared since passing my CE… I did my D (PCV) before my C
I think it’s a space thing?
the C is hiding the C1
the C+E is hiding the C1+E
The D categories get upgraded by the C categories but not the other way around
Assuming you had D auto (which aso gives D1 auto) and then you passed C manual. That would give you D1 D C1 & C all in manual
If you then go on to pass C+E manual it would give you all these in manual - D1 D1+E D D+E C1 C1+E C & C+E but the subcategories would not always be shown on the licence so all you might see is D D+E C C+E
mark h:
haha rog i still think of it as class 1 and class2 if you could re explain ?
Old HGV class 1 is now LGV C+E
Old HGV class 2 is now LGV C
Not exactly, some ‘old HGV Class 2 drivers’ can drive wagon and drag which is now under C+E, but they can’t drive artics - very confusing …
ROG:
waynedl:
Yep, just checked. I got
A, B, BE, B1, C, CE, D, DE, D1E
and then some small case stuff at the bottom…
I also didn’t have D1 before passing my test, and it’s still not there, but D1E has appeared since passing my CE… I did my D (PCV) before my C
I think it’s a space thing?
the C is hiding the C1
the C+E is hiding the C1+E
The D categories get upgraded by the C categories but not the other way around
Assuming you had D auto (which aso gives D1 auto) and then you passed C manual. That would give you D1 D C1 & C all in manual
If you then go on to pass C+E manual it would give you all these in manual - D1 D1+E D D+E C1 C1+E C & C+E but the subcategories would not always be shown on the licence so all you might see is D D+E C C+E
Yes mate, I had D manual, but my mate was auto and his got upgraded. I passed in a ‘crash box’ Leyland Leopard from the 70’s, like a proper driver
waynedl:
Not exactly, some ‘old HGV Class 2 drivers’ can drive wagon and drag which is now under C+E, but they can’t drive artics - very confusing …
And to confuse it even more, those drivers can go take a test with that very same wagon and drag they already hold a licence for, and be qualified to drive an artic which they’ve never driven.
ROG:
Old HGV class 1 is now LGV C+E
Old HGV class 2 is now LGV C
Not exactly, some ‘old HGV Class 2 drivers’ can drive wagon and drag which is now under C+E, but they can’t drive artics - very confusing …
I Tried to make it simple but you are correct . many of the old HGV classes 2 and 3 had W&D entitlement which in modern LGV terms means C+E but because they did not have the old HGV class 1 artic a restriction code was placed on the new LGV C+E restricting them to W&Ds only
That means a driver who has the C+E restricted can drive a W&D to the DSA LGV test centre by themselves, put L plates on it then, pass or fail the DSA LGV C+E test, remove L plates and drive away by themselves. If they passed the test they would then get full C+E
ROG:
The vehicle category rules are different -
C1 is a vehicle from 3.5 to 7.5 tonnes
C is a vehicle over 7.5 tonnes
This is a new one on me, I wasn’t aware there were any official “vehicle categories”, I thought the letters were purely driving licence categories. Do you have a link to these “vehicle category rules”?
waddy640:
Whilst on the subject, why do I have a full D1E valid until 2020 and a provisional D1E valid until 2016?
Not a clue !!
I assume the full D1+E is on the photocard bit and the provisional is on the paper bit ■■
The full D1E … does that have code 101 next to it ?
101 & 119
TA - GOT IT
You have a restricted D1+E (not full) with a 101 and 119 code from passing your car test before 1997 and the expiry date on that will be the same as that of your car (at age 70)
The D1E provisional is added when you passed the DSA D1 minibus test and is subject to the same medical expiry date as your C and CE categories - If you did not pass the DSA D1 minbus test then I am at a loss to explain it
ROG:
The vehicle category rules are different -
C1 is a vehicle from 3.5 to 7.5 tonnes
C is a vehicle over 7.5 tonnes
This is a new one on me, I wasn’t aware there were any official “vehicle categories”, I thought the letters were purely driving licence categories. Do you have a link to these “vehicle category rules”?
ROG:
The vehicle category rules are different -
C1 is a vehicle from 3.5 to 7.5 tonnes
C is a vehicle over 7.5 tonnes
This is a new one on me, I wasn’t aware there were any official “vehicle categories”, I thought the letters were purely driving licence categories. Do you have a link to these “vehicle category rules”?
That page quite clearly states that category C is “Vehicles over 3500kg with a trailer up to 750kg”. So not “over 7.5 tonnes” as you stated. And besides that page isn’t anything even vaguely official anyway, it’s just some company trying to make money.
ROG:
How would anyone know what licence category they needed if the vehicle was not categorised ?
The vehicle doesn’t need to be categorised as the licence categories quite state what vehicles you can drive based on their MGW. Vehicles are categorised by their MGW and whether or not they are drawing a trailer, not by some kind of letter scheme.
Based on your made up “vehicle categories” something with a MGW of 6000kg is a “category C1 vehicle” so based on that logic how do you explain the fact that someone with a C licence but not C1 is still legally allow to drive it?
I fear all you are doing by introducing this new concept is unnecessarily complicating what is essentially quite a simple thing.
repton:
Based on your made up “vehicle categories” something with a MGW of 6000kg is a “category C1 vehicle” so based on that logic how do you explain the fact that someone with a C licence but not C1 is still legally allow to drive it?
Thats easy to answer - A C licence is for any LGV vehicle over 3.5 tonnes so a Cat C1 vehicle at 6000kgs GVW fits into that C licence category
Another way of looking at it is that a driver with a C must have a C1 by default as C1 is a subcategory of C so in effect that 6000kgs vehicle is being driven by a driver with a C1
i didnt have 7.5t licence ither but now have full c1+e since passing c+e
